Whats Your Thought On Who We Should Sign In The Offseason

[Raven Hammer]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1324234790' post='909438']
Grubbs and Rice. No offense, but Flacco can wait til his contract is up like everyone else. I would also try and bring back both McClain and Ellerbe dependent on contract demands. We have a quite a few UFAs this offseason. With the people we need to resign I can't see us offering JJ the kind of contract he would expect with Kruger playing the way he is. I see Kruger starting and Kindle falling into what Krugers role is this year. Don't forget Fox is probably gone and Ray will retire so the money shouldn't be that bad. I see us picking up less known quality players that fit our scheme but will have to wait to see whos out there. Highly doubt any big name pickups though.
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Rice i agree on. Young and only getting better, Flacco i don't. Get him done now. He is our QB for the next 10 years. He's young and going to get better every year. ( he's very good now) Grubbs i like alot, and one of the reasons that we have a run game this year. The truth is, that good interior O-linemen came be found in the middle rounds of the draft. "In Ozzie we Trust" Not because we can do better but "Limited Cap space. Next, I don't understand why everyone conciders JJ not worth the money it will take to keep him. He is along with Redding the most underrated players on the D. Replaceing him with Kruger and Kindle based on this year is not smart, Kruger has been around for awhile and just now hitting his stride. Wait a year make sure he is the real deal, then we can see about trading JJ for something more than just a low round draft pick. Too many questains about Kindle to put any eggs in that basket yet. This team is in good shape. No reason to fix it if it [b]ain't[/b] broken. Ozzie will will make the right calls and get that FA pick-up late that is his wheel house.

[The Raven]

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Rice i agree on. Young and only getting better, Flacco i don't. Get him done now. He is our QB for the next 10 years. He's young and going to get better every year. ( he's very good now) Grubbs i like alot, and one of the reasons that we have a run game this year. [b]The truth is, that good interior O-linemen came be found in the middle rounds of the draft.[/b] "In Ozzie we Trust" Not because we can do better but "Limited Cap space. Next, I don't understand why everyone conciders JJ not worth the money it will take to keep him. He is along with Redding the most underrated players on the D. Replaceing him with Kruger and Kindle based on this year is not smart, Kruger has been around for awhile and just now hitting his stride. Wait a year make sure he is the real deal, then we can see about trading JJ for something more than just a low round draft pick. Too many questains about Kindle to put any eggs in that basket yet. This team is in good shape. No reason to fix it if it [b]ain't[/b] broken. Ozzie will will make the right calls and get that FA pick-up late that is his wheel house.
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The truth is, you don't let go of elite, pro bowl caliber guards for a mid round guard that may not pan out.

[Raven Hammer]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1324237108' post='909469']

The truth is, you don't let go of elite, pro bowl caliber guards for a mid round guard that may not pan out.
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You are so right. But top money for two guards Yanda and Grubbs might be more than the bank will allow

[The Raven]

[quote name='Raven Hammer' timestamp='1324237634' post='909482']

You are so right. But top money for two guards Yanda and Grubbs might be more than the bank will allow
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Possibly, but the Saints seem to make it work with Nicks and Evans.

[Raven Hammer]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1324237945' post='909485']


Possibly, but the Saints seem to make it work with Nicks and Evans.
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Hope your right In Ozzie we trust

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1324237945' post='909485']


Possibly, but the Saints seem to make it work with Nicks and Evans.
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and pay drew brees on top of that

[arnie_uk]

i wouldnt mind a bit of brandon jacobs if ricky retires. He would be an optimal change of pace back to RR

[Raven Hammer]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1324240238' post='909508']
and pay drew brees on top of that
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Yes? and Flacco and Rice and Ngata and Suggs and Yanda and JJ and Cundiff And Grubbs

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Raven Hammer' timestamp='1324241198' post='909523']

Yes? and Flacco and Rice and Ngata and Suggs and Yanda and JJ and Cundiff And Grubbs
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id rather have grubbs signed first than rice

[Raven Hammer]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1324242107' post='909541']
id rather have grubbs signed first than rice
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Pro Bowl Running backs don't fall off trees I like Grubbs too If Ozzie can find away to keep both Good But if its just one i pick Rice

[redrum52]

Its not necessarily I don't think they want him back but thats why I said depending on how much he wants. JJ is a great player but its been said this off season that if a player can perform at about the same level as another and that player is cheaper then why not go with the cheaper player. And its best to keep to oline together. We have seen that players come and go on the defense and it is still successful, but the offense is finally starting gel.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='Raven Hammer' timestamp='1324242803' post='909563']

Pro Bowl Running backs don't fall off trees I like Grubbs too If Ozzie can find away to keep both Good But if its just one i pick Rice
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i duno, i dont look like how our o line would shape up without him.

LT - Mckinney - who knows what shape he will be in, he hasnt been spectacular this year, done a decent job, but went to poo when he didnt have grubbs inside him. He had steve hutchinson his whole career. i think he needs a good LG beside for him to shine.

LG - there is no decent free agents this year for guard that you know would do a job, and later round pick rookie may not get it done, and De Castro will be gone in the first before we pick

C - Birk could retire, Gurode will want one last contract i think ie 3/4 years and we may not be prepared to offer that. So we could have a rookie at Center aswell as LG.

RG - Yanda

RT - Oher - Good, but inconsistent, could be elite or could be a turnstile


Also note how awful our offense as a whole was without grubbs, flacco couldnt pass and rice couldnt run.. Our offense needs a very solid oline or it collaspes. and in the scenario i have above if we lose grubbs, we could just crumble. I dont want to pay flacco massive moeny if hes on his back a considerable amount of time (he could get inj) and why pay rice if he cant run becuase he doesnt have good blockers

[The Raven]

[quote name='Raven Hammer' timestamp='1324242803' post='909563']

Pro Bowl Running backs don't fall off trees I like Grubbs too If Ozzie can find away to keep both Good But if its just one i pick Rice
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I'd rather have a probowl caliber offensive line and an average RB than a pro bowl RB and an average line. The game is won in the trenches.

[Raven Hammer]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1324243375' post='909578']
i duno, i dont look like how our o line would shape up without him.

LT - Mckinney - who knows what shape he will be in, he hasnt been spectacular this year, done a decent job, but went to poo when he didnt have grubbs inside him. He had steve hutchinson his whole career. i think he needs a good LG beside for him to shine.

LG - there is no decent free agents this year for guard that you know would do a job, and later round pick rookie may not get it done, and De Castro will be gone in the first before we pick

C - Birk could retire, Gurode will want one last contract i think ie 3/4 years and we may not be prepared to offer that. So we could have a rookie at Center aswell as LG.

RG - Yanda

RT - Oher - Good, but inconsistent, could be elite or could be a turnstile


Also note how awful our offense as a whole was without grubbs, flacco couldnt pass and rice couldnt run.. Our offense needs a very solid oline or it collaspes. and in the scenario i have above if we lose grubbs, we could just crumble. I dont want to pay flacco massive moeny if hes on his back a considerable amount of time (he could get inj) and why pay rice if he cant run becuase he doesnt have good blockers
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Can't argue with anything you said. Grubbs is good and anyone we replace him with will be a down grade. However if you look at the weaknesses of the O-line player by player it shapes up like you said but as a unit it works well. However , Center Gurode will have a training camp and pre season to learn what he needs and he will be strong in the run game. Yanda is a constant. Oher will get better each year and not to bad this year. He is young. McKinney will be fine for another year. Remember he has Ray Ray to show him the way. I agree that without a strong line Rices impact will be negated, but without Rice no run game at all. Joe needs the run game to be all he can be. So the lesser of two evils makes it Rice

[Raven Hammer]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1324244475' post='909615']

I'd rather have a probowl caliber offensive line and an average RB than a pro bowl RB and an average line. The game is won in the trenches.
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The questain is not witch one but how can we get the closest to both

[The Raven]

[quote name='Raven Hammer' timestamp='1324244570' post='909618']

Can't argue with anything you said. Grubbs is good and anyone we replace him with will be a down grade. However if you look at the weaknesses of the O-line player by player it shapes up like you said but as a unit it works well. However , Center Gurode will have a training camp and pre season to learn what he needs and he will be strong in the run game. Yanda is a constant. Oher will get better each year and not to bad this year. He is young. McKinney will be fine for another year. Remember he has Ray Ray to show him the way. I agree that without a strong line Rices impact will be negated, [b]but without Rice no run game at all[/b]. Joe needs the run game to be all he can be. So the lesser of two evils makes it Rice
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Lol! This is funny. So you're saying that Rice makes the holes? Rice is responsible for all the success we have? No doubt that Rice is vital to success but to suggest that by losing him we lose our run game is just absurd.

[jmckinney]

i still think Julius peppers

[Raven Hammer]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1324244906' post='909625']

Lol! This is funny. So you're saying that Rice makes the holes? Rice is responsible for all the success we have? No doubt that Rice is vital to success but to suggest that by losing him we lose our run game is just absurd.
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I didn't say that anymore than you said that if we lose Grubbs we lose the running game My point was that Grubbs is less of a loss

[Raven Hammer]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1324244906' post='909625']

Lol! This is funny. So you're saying that Rice makes the holes? Rice is responsible for all the success we have? No doubt that Rice is vital to success but to suggest that by losing him we lose our run game is just absurd.
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Just looked at your profile I went EVT too Class of 76

[The Raven]

[quote name='jmckinney' timestamp='1324245196' post='909630']
i still think Julius peppers
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Okay, where does he fit in our defense?

[quote name='Raven Hammer' timestamp='1324245248' post='909633']

I didn't say that anymore than you said that if we lose Grubbs we lose the running game My point was that Grubbs is less of a loss
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You can find any running back to run through a hole, its a different thing to find 5 guys to make said hole. Both are great losses, but I think Grubbs is greater. Did you see how ineffective our offense as a whole was without him? Rice couldn't do diddly poo. Thats not his fault really, moreso just due to the loss of an elite guard.

[The Raven]

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Just looked at your profile I went EVT too Class of 76
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Thats cool man. Go Mavericks!

[Raven Hammer]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1324245530' post='909636']

Okay, where does he fit in our defense?



You can find any running back to run through a hole, its a different thing to find 5 guys to make said hole. Both are great losses, but I think Grubbs is greater. Did you see how ineffective our offense as a whole was without him? Rice couldn't do diddly poo. Thats not his fault really, moreso just due to the loss of an elite guard.
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Can't find a lot to disagree with except that it is easier to replace interior linemen than it is to replace a RB like Rice

[Raven Hammer]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1324245560' post='909637']

Thats cool man. Go Mavericks!
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76 was the dark days of maverick football but i loved it anyway

[Hjulmann]

Sign Ray Lewis for a 10 year binding contract that can't be unbound NO MATTER WHAT.

Besides from that, I'd like someone like Pierre-Paul as a DE so we've got a sizzle-paul show... could you imagine?

[Kevin Mullins]

You guys keep mentioning GREAT players who are going to be resigned by their own teams or else those fan bases would burn down the team complexes.

I would like us to have another AMAZING draft like we did this past year. We need to make transitions into our future. The best teams in the NFL are built by having a consistent influx of young talent while maintaining a solid base of veteran players.

I would like us to look at safeties and a BIG receiver in this coming draft. We have talent at the WR position, but no one has size on the outside in which they become an instant red zone target. Obviously, a size and speed blend would be a dream come true.

We need to plan on our next play-maker in the secondary. I've often had the theory of converting one of our young corners into a safety, but then we deplete depth at that position.

As far as FA, I'd be interested in bringing in another talented rush player. I'm not even thinking a super stud, but a guy like Redding, who has played average, but would perform outstanding when surrounded by our talent. You can never have enough depth on defense.


But, just for fun, if we could go out and get one player in the off season it would be Calvin.


(P.S.) watching the Broncos reminds me how we should have held our ground and taken Demartarius Thomas and not have drafted Kindle. Sure, the book is still out on him. But, Thomas and Smith would be an amazing future for Flacco.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Kevin Mullins' timestamp='1324247080' post='909663']
You guys keep mentioning GREAT players who are going to be resigned by their own teams or else those fan bases would burn down the team complexes.

I would like us to have another AMAZING draft like we did this past year. We need to make transitions into our future. The best teams in the NFL are built by having a consistent influx of young talent while maintaining a solid base of veteran players.

I would like us to look at safeties and a BIG receiver in this coming draft. We have talent at the WR position, but no one has size on the outside in which they become an instant red zone target. Obviously, a size and speed blend would be a dream come true.

We need to plan on our next play-maker in the secondary. I've often had the theory of converting one of our young corners into a safety, but then we deplete depth at that position.

As far as FA, I'd be interested in bringing in another talented rush player. I'm not even thinking a super stud, but a guy like Redding, who has played average, but would perform outstanding when surrounded by our talent. You can never have enough depth on defense.


But, just for fun, if we could go out and get one player in the off season it would be Calvin.


(P.S.) watching the Broncos reminds me how we should have held our ground and taken Demartarius Thomas and not have drafted Kindle. Sure, the book is still out on him. But, Thomas and Smith would be an amazing future for Flacco.
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We'd be without Dickson in that case, and if Kindle doesn't get trashed and fall down some stairs this conversation wouldnt be happening. Its way too easy to look back in hindsight. Thats like saying we should have taken Brady in '99.