Joe Flacco Shows That He Is A Rookie!

[mcgaheewillrunyourassover]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' post='72833' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:35 PM']Well, the D SHOULD have held them to 6 and we would have won the game... that last drive was pathetic and shows that our D can't keep it in gear for 4 quarters yet. It probably has something to do with the fact that they haven't had to play in the 4th quarter that much thus far. It sure showed today.[/quote]

the bs roughing the passer penalty shouldnt have been called anyhow
they wouldve been 3rd&15 on their own 15 and they get the first down...yuck!

[Ravens549]

[quote name='Marc2k6' post='72804' date='Oct 5 2008, 03:27 PM']Well Flacco today did show he is a rookie. Can Flacco pass to anyone other than D. Mason? Boller had Heap and now Flacco has Mason or is it just me. I think Flacco has gotten a little bit ahead of himself with the rolling out and throwing the ball. I'm not going to say it was the total reason we lost but it was big. That last one there was not even anyone open. Flacco has to learn to throw away the ball. Right now I think he needs to see the field a lot more because he is not seeing it! [/quote]
Ummm. rolling out [b]is [/b][u][/u]Flacco's best asset.
So, throwing to Mason last week was bad??????? lol
You obviously know nothing about what happened today. You are finger pointing because your mind was already made up on where to place blame.
Where in here did you mention the defense, Marc2k6?

This is one of the type of threads I was joking about today!

[Troy SmiTH Xx]

Let's not put the blame on any one person.

We win as a team, we lose as a team. It's as simple as that. That's why when John came in, he combined the locker rooms where the offense and defense sat together. It was s ymbol of unity. So let's leave it at that.

[TXRaven]

yeah, he definately made some rookie mistakes, and they were costly, but we knew it was going to happen from time to time. I still like what he brings to the table. He was not even supposed to be under center till at least the half way point of the year. The Ravens were put in an unfortunate situation when Troy got sick and Kyle got hurt. I am ok with 2-2 right now. Lot of football to be played. Face it Kyle still made those mistakes even though he has been in the league for awhile. Troy is an unknown. I liked what I saw from him at the end of last year, but he may have lost the oppertunity to be our starter when he became ill. Not to mention Joe does not have a vetern QB to learn from. Coaches are doing well by him, and Joe is a stand up guy, He took the blame yesterday. He is well aware of what he must improve in to become a quality starter in the NFL.

[PuRock]

Joe said during his press conference that it was bad judgement by him. He knew he should have threw it away both times, and he made bad decisions. He was very disappointed in himself.

Both the INTs happened on similar plays with Joe rolling out to his left. The first INT was all on Joe. From the press box you could see nobody open, mason got open for a split second, but there were three guys alertly positioned right behind him. Joe needed to throw the ball away, it should have been a fairly easy read.

I do believe he will bounce back and learn from yesterday's game. Or more like, he is going to need too. Flat out, I support Flacco while he makes mistakes. Just like I did Boller. In hopes that it will pay dividends in the long run.

[MJSMOOTH]

Overhyping flacco tahnk u somebody agree's hey ain't troy heathy aww sweet sound to my ears.Flacco give the bal to troy now

[Marc2k6]

[quote name='Eurich' post='73015' date='Oct 5 2008, 05:48 PM']Ryan Leaf top 5 pick.

Joe Flacco is not more athletic.

Saying Flacco is more accurate is like saying your poop smells better than mine.[/quote]


LMAO, You guys are funny, Im rolling on the floor.

[Marc2k6]

[quote name='Ravens549' post='73169' date='Oct 5 2008, 09:14 PM']Ummm. rolling out [b]is [/b][u][/u]Flacco's best asset.
So, throwing to Mason last week was bad??????? lol
You obviously know nothing about what happened today. You are finger pointing because your mind was already made up on where to place blame.
Where in here did you mention the defense, Marc2k6?

This is one of the type of threads I was joking about today! [/quote]
UMMMMMMM AHHHHHHH! Rolling out and throwing accross your body to a WR with 2 defenders in position is not a asset, that is a mistake and even the Int that was over turn, both were mistakes. For no reason do am I pointing the finger to say that Flacco cost us the game because it all depends on your point of view, you could blame the ref's, you could blame the Defense, the running game, the passing game or you could just put it all together and blame it on everything. Flacco for no reason be on the bench just know that it may be better to throw the ball away in those situations.

[Marc2k6]

[quote name='PuRock' post='73311' date='Oct 6 2008, 09:05 AM']Joe said during his press conference that it was bad judgement by him. He knew he should have threw it away both times, and he made bad decisions. He was very disappointed in himself.

Both the INTs happened on similar plays with Joe rolling out to his left. The first INT was all on Joe. From the press box you could see nobody open, mason got open for a split second, but there were three guys alertly positioned right behind him. Joe needed to throw the ball away, it should have been a fairly easy read.

I do believe he will bounce back and learn from yesterday's game. Or more like, he is going to need too. Flat out, I support Flacco while he makes mistakes. Just like I did Boller. In hopes that it will pay dividends in the long run.[/quote]


Flacco even admitted it himself. So I guess you can say he is progressing already!

[FerrariFan87]

Exactly, Joe took responsibility and is holding himself accountable for his mistakes. That is showing leadership and that's what we need to see from this young man. As long as he continues to grow and LEARN from his mistakes, he needs to be the guy.

[Marc2k6]

That is what I'm looking for from the guy learning and progression in the offense. If you listen to the guy you have to be optimistic from what you hear and see.

[noy]

The guy can say all we wants, I'm looking for his progression on the field aka PROOF. He can say he thought it was a bad throw and whatever, of course it was, it was an int. Now...go out there and handle the pressure, because that's the only aspect I see him as severely lacking.

[mpplaya07]

What is everyone ganging up on this kid for? We all knew from the beginning this will be a bumpy ride... I mean rookie QB, rookie head coach, new offensive coordinator, and young rookie line.... I mean give these players credit, they lost by 3 pts to a tough team that everyone said would kill us. Am i disappointed that was lost, yes i am we could be 3-1 or 4-0 which i honestly never thought could be but like alot of people have said, we still looking better than last year and its just a matter of time before our offense start to click in and start putting points on the board...

[PuRock]

[quote name='mpplaya07' post='73434' date='Oct 6 2008, 05:17 PM']What is everyone ganging up on this kid for? We all knew from the beginning this will be a bumpy ride... I mean rookie QB, rookie head coach, new offensive coordinator, and young rookie line.... I mean give these players credit, they lost by 3 pts to a tough team that everyone said would kill us. Am i disappointed that was lost, yes i am we could be 3-1 or 4-0 which i honestly never thought could be but like alot of people have said, we still looking better than last year and its just a matter of time before our offense start to click in and start putting points on the board...[/quote]

Right. There's a reason why most rookies do not start for their first year. I didn't think I would be watching Flacco until 2009, or earliest week 6. But since he's already in there, might as well keep the dice rolling, while he takes his bumps and bruises. Anyone that wants instant gratification and a sure fire offense right now might want to go check out another team for a while. Not saying it can't happen, but what I am saying is "Patience is a virtue". Either you have it or don't.

[FerrariFan87]

Lest we forget, Peyton Manning threw 28 INTs in his rookie season in which he started all 16 games. I am by no means comparing Joe with Peyton, but it is important to realize that even a QB coming from a big-time program like Tennessee can still struggle in this league from the get-go. Obviously all we need Joe to do at this point is manage the game and take care of the football, and then the rest will come. I am confident in Joe and know that he will continue to grow each and every week, we just gotta stick with him!

[FerrariFan87]

Coach Harbaugh said in his press conference yesterday that we need to stop with the whole "Flacco is a rookie" bit because Joe is simply OUR Quarterback. If our Head Coach is saying we shouldn't keep referring to him as a rookie, I am going to have to agree with him.

[Mick0311]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='73009' date='Oct 5 2008, 03:45 PM']Hahahahah, I'm sorry, but that was completely uncalled for and somewhat offensive.

Troy Smith was a fifth round draft pick and basically a throw away pick if you ask me. Flacco was indirectly dubbed the eighteenth best player in the nation coming out of college. Troy Smith was surrounded by the best talent in the nation, Joe Flacco played at a second rate college and took his team to the title game. Troy Smith has a weaker arm, even though he is supposed to be a "toolsy" "athletic" type pick. Joe Flacco has more mobility and is more accurate. Some of what I said is arbitrary, but if you asked any scout they would rate Joe Flacco higher than Smith in every category. If Boller was still active and McNair hadn't retired, or we had a third veteran quarterback, Troy Smith wouldn't even have made the team.

Again, this isn't even occasionally discussed inside Owings Mills. The second Flacco was drafted, the season was devoted to his development, the question was whether he would learn more starting or watching a VETERAN. If you honestly think that putting in a fifth rounder and yanking our prized prospect after FOUR GAMES is beneficial to the future of this team, then I don't know what to say to you.[/quote]

Perfect. Those were the words in my head. Spot on.

[Mick0311]

[quote name='Eurich' post='73028' date='Oct 5 2008, 03:54 PM']Smith in regular season: 3 TDs 0 INTs

Flacco in regular season: 2 TDs 4 INTs.[/quote]


Uhh, I'm pretty sure there were some serious players sitting out of the games for the playoffs at the point Smith cam in.

[neepo13]

[quote name='Marc2k6' post='73329' date='Oct 6 2008, 10:32 AM']UMMMMMMM AHHHHHHH! Rolling out and throwing accross your body to a WR with 2 defenders in position is not a asset, that is a mistake and even the Int that was over turn, both were mistakes. For no reason do am I pointing the finger to say that Flacco cost us the game because it all depends on your point of view, [b]you could blame the ref's, you could blame the Defense, the running game, the passing game or you could just put it all together and blame it on everything.[/b] Flacco for no reason be on the bench just know that it may be better to throw the ball away in those situations.[/quote]

Thats the best idea, I have heard since this game ended.

[Troy SmiTH Xx]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='73009' date='Oct 5 2008, 05:45 PM']Hahahahah, I'm sorry, but that was completely uncalled for and somewhat offensive.

Troy Smith was a fifth round draft pick and basically a throw away pick if you ask me. Flacco was indirectly dubbed the eighteenth best player in the nation coming out of college. Troy Smith was surrounded by the best talent in the nation, Joe Flacco played at a second rate college and took his team to the title game. Troy Smith has a weaker arm, even though he is supposed to be a "toolsy" "athletic" type pick. [i][b] Joe Flacco has more mobility[/b][/i] and is more accurate. Some of what I said is arbitrary, but if you asked any scout they would rate Joe Flacco higher than Smith in every category. If Boller was still active and McNair hadn't retired, or we had a third veteran quarterback, Troy Smith wouldn't even have made the team.

Again, this isn't even occasionally discussed inside Owings Mills. The second Flacco was drafted, the season was devoted to his development, the question was whether he would learn more starting or watching a VETERAN. If you honestly think that putting in a fifth rounder and yanking our prized prospect after FOUR GAMES is beneficial to the future of this team, then I don't know what to say to you.[/quote]

Do you honestly think Flacco has more mobility than Troy?

I can agree with you in the arm strength category, but not mobility. Plus, we can't really compare the two, we haven't seen them both play in real games with the same offenses.

Troy played with Billick's offense last year.
Flacco is playing with Cam's offense this year.

[neepo13]

[quote name='Troy SmiTH Xx' post='73714' date='Oct 7 2008, 06:38 PM']Do you honestly think Flacco has more mobility than Troy?

I can agree with you in the arm strength category, but not mobility. Plus, we can't really compare the two, we haven't seen them both play in real games with the same offenses.

Troy played with Billick's offense last year.
Flacco is playing with Cam's offense this year.[/quote]

Well, it depends on how you define mobility. In my opinion, mobility is a QB's ability to move around in the pocket and buy time for his recievers down field. Mobile is what Big Ben does, its what Tom Brady sometimes does. And yes Joe Flacco has been mobile. Troy in my opinion hasnt shown the ability to move around in the pocket to buy time for his recievers. He scrambles. I define scrambling as running up field toward the first down marker, in an attempt to pick up yards. Troy is a better scrambler. But Flacco has been more mobile.

[Troy SmiTH Xx]

Ok then, It just sounded like you said something else.

Never mind, I interpreted wrong, my bad...

Troy Smith is still more handsome

[#1 D]

[quote name='Troy SmiTH Xx' post='73741' date='Oct 7 2008, 08:08 PM']Ok then, It just sounded like you said something else.

Never mind, I interpreted wrong, my bad...

[b][i]Troy Smith is still more handsome [/i][/b][/quote]

lol....dude!

[neepo13]

[quote name='Troy SmiTH Xx' post='73741' date='Oct 7 2008, 08:08 PM']Ok then, It just sounded like you said something else.

Never mind, I interpreted wrong, my bad...

[b]Troy Smith is still more handsome [/b][/quote]

I agree. Joe's unibrow doesnt do it for me.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='neepo13' post='73755' date='Oct 7 2008, 09:14 PM']I agree. Joe's unibrow doesnt do it for me.[/quote]

Since when has this forum become a discussion of the NFL's most eligible bachelor?

[mpplaya07]

People are just overacting honestly... this season not going to be a breeze... We will win some and loose some... Cant expect nothing else until our offense grows and gets better... but we cant blame 100% on Flacco.... We dont give him the chance to throw the ball... Let him throw shotgun throws, we've all seen he can drive us down the field but what can you do when were running 1st down and 2nd and maybe have him throw outta the i-formation when the defense thinks were running and just blitz... when they start letting him throw the ball more and get the play selection 60-40, of course run the ball more cause thats just what we do but then defense will start thinking is this run or pass... Hes far from perfect and has to learn to throw the ball away but damn he drives the ball down the field when they give him the chance... Our coaches need to man up and just open the book and lets see what our offense can do with the coaches throwing the complete arsenal against the other teams.. I guarantee you once we can do that then well see if flacco can hack it or start smith... I be4leive in flacco all the way but if they start letting him throw more and he still struggles then ill say let him sit and learn and lets see what troy can do

[Troy SmiTH Xx]

I don't think anyone thought this season would be a breeze. There's going to be tons of close games, with very little points, and the 4th quarter will be where games will be won or loss. We, unfortunately, have not had the consistency to so as of so far.

[neepo13]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' post='73776' date='Oct 7 2008, 11:44 PM']Since when has this forum become a discussion of the NFL's most eligible bachelor?[/quote]

I dont think Troy is single. But it doesnt matter.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='neepo13' post='73916' date='Oct 8 2008, 06:01 PM']I dont think Troy is single. But it doesnt matter.[/quote]

Tis was a failed attempt at some humor

[Troy SmiTH Xx]

<-------------- Who could deny a man with that kind of physique!??!
-and that awsome chin-strap

Lol, creepy discussion.

Maybe he is on eHarmony