Joe Flacco Shows That He Is A Rookie!

[rlh445]

[quote name='M.E.S' post='72931' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:10 PM']that's all i am trying to say.. but they don't want to hear it on this board.. they are so bias towards flacco that it blinds them[/quote]


Look, this is so tired and old. Stop it already. Just as I predicted, ten seconds after the loss, and all the trolls come out to play screaming, 'Is Troy ready yet?', 'It's Troy time!', blah blah blah. How many times do we have to go through this? Why can't some of you just shut it and accept that we went with Flacco, and that's it. And if Troy was starting, and we lost a game and people were screaming for Flacco, I'd tell them the same thing. I like Smith, I like Flacco. But what I like the most is that we are in the position where we shouldn't have to scream for one QB or the other any more. We shouldn't be dealing with this stupid QB controversy anymore. I'm TIRED of it. Since the Ravens inception I've been tired of it. We have Flacco, we're starting Flacco, and that's it. Why? Because that's the way it's SUPPOSED to be done. This stupid frickin' QB carousel that Ravens fans have had on their backs should be OVER WITH. So STOP. Flacco = #1. Smith = #2. PERIOD. If Harbs can truly look at this team and say that Flacco is the reason for our losses, then he's not fit to coach..because the entire team is responsible. Holding it down in the fourth quarter. Getting our receivers open. Adjusting our defenses to those damned intermediate passes that seem to plague us week in and week out. STOPPING THE STUPID PENALTIES. Those are ALL ranked higher on the 'need to fix' list then Flacco. Let's be real. His interception at the end was nothing but icing on the cake of an entire franchise whose modus operandi seems to be blowing the game in the fourth quarter, after three quarters of great football.

So no, I'm not biased towards Flacco. I'm biased towards a team who needs to have one, single, stable QB, win lose or draw, all year long. We have needed that for a long time, and now that we have it, let's go forward with it.

[neepo13]

[quote name='Perfekt' post='72960' date='Oct 5 2008, 05:24 PM']neepo you didnt understand what i wrote you just read what you wanted to. i was not saying to start smith i said im sick of all the bs hate on him. im not trying to sound like an ****** but you made yourself look like one.[/quote]

I understood perfectly what you said. I am not for anyone disrespecting him as man. But I am also not for a guy living off of what he did in college. So, far in the pro's he's not the kind of guy that is going to be a pass first QB. There for he is a glorified running back. We have seen nothing of Smith IN THE PRO'S that says otherwise.

[Perfekt]

rlh you make some good points with the stupid penalties but i disagree with you because how do you know flacco is the best qb? you dont im not sayinfg that flacco shouldnt keep playin, the only thing that im saying that i will keep saying is im sick of the hate on smith.

[neepo13]

[quote name='Eurich' post='72969' date='Oct 5 2008, 05:27 PM']He never directly said it but it was between him and Boller if I'm not correct (I am correct).

Boller goes down for season.

Connect the dots from here on out.[/quote]

Again, did Harbaugh ever say the job was Troy's ever? NO, HE DID NOT. You can only assume that once Boller went down Flacco wouldnt have re-entered the competition. Nothing that happened after Boller's injury pointed to that. They knew that Boller was going to be out for a while right after the Vikings but they still never named Troy Smith the starter, even though they knew Boller was done. That says alot. If Smith would have played poorly vs. the Rams, there is no doubt in my mind that Flacco would have gotten a second look. So connect the dots all you want but they dont add up to Troy being handed the job.

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='ravens' post='72854' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:41 PM']now when smith is ready again, give him a chance[/quote]

Nah. If Harbaugh does that he's a chump. Flacco ran into two top-5 defense in two straight weeks.

[Eurich]

You know why Flacco was the starter?

no other QB on the roster.

He was handed the job.

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='Perfekt' post='72992' date='Oct 5 2008, 05:36 PM']rlh you make some good points with the stupid penalties but i disagree with you because how do you know flacco is the best qb? you dont im not sayinfg that flacco shouldnt keep playin, the only thing that im saying that i will keep saying is im sick of the hate on smith.[/quote]

I'm sick of Harbaugh leaving it all up in the air. Flacco had his chain yanked for 6 straight weeks... You're out of the QB race... No! 5-min before the game you're starting all game! No, you're back out of the race... No, you're now the starter! No, you're not ready to be our starter, but you're starting... Oh, and by the way, you won twice! No, now that you didn't beat two of the top defenses in the league with a conservative game plan, you're back on the bench?

Hey Harbaugh, name a starter. Stop yanking his chain.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='Perfekt' post='72923' date='Oct 5 2008, 05:06 PM']troy smith basically is a rookie as well so i cant understand why its ok to take the chances with flacco but not take the chance with smith. oh yea thats right because hes to much like a rb and not a qb. im sick of the bs with some of yall. im not saying your racist but i cant understand why some of yall have such a huge problem with smith. as i recall he was winning the starting spot and as i recall he did play last season with almost the same issues as flacco just thrown into the mix due to injurys. dont take this as me going against flacco because i support him and think hes going to be great in the future but smith is also on this team and yall treat him like boller who proved just how efficent he was.i love my team win or lose and hes on this team so stop with the bs comments about the man. he almost died and is working hard to try and come back and play and help this team win. hes not concerned about starting just about the welfare of this team so next time before you go and start to make stupid comments towards him atleast consider the stats and the type of person he is.[/quote]

Hahahahah, I'm sorry, but that was completely uncalled for and somewhat offensive.

Troy Smith was a fifth round draft pick and basically a throw away pick if you ask me. Flacco was indirectly dubbed the eighteenth best player in the nation coming out of college. Troy Smith was surrounded by the best talent in the nation, Joe Flacco played at a second rate college and took his team to the title game. Troy Smith has a weaker arm, even though he is supposed to be a "toolsy" "athletic" type pick. Joe Flacco has more mobility and is more accurate. Some of what I said is arbitrary, but if you asked any scout they would rate Joe Flacco higher than Smith in every category. If Boller was still active and McNair hadn't retired, or we had a third veteran quarterback, Troy Smith wouldn't even have made the team.

Again, this isn't even occasionally discussed inside Owings Mills. The second Flacco was drafted, the season was devoted to his development, the question was whether he would learn more starting or watching a VETERAN. If you honestly think that putting in a fifth rounder and yanking our prized prospect after FOUR GAMES is beneficial to the future of this team, then I don't know what to say to you.

[rlh445]

[quote name='Perfekt' post='72992' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:36 PM']rlh you make some good points with the stupid penalties but i disagree with you because how do you know flacco is the best qb? you dont im not sayinfg that flacco shouldnt keep playin, the only thing that im saying that i will keep saying is im sick of the hate on smith.[/quote]

See, this is what I'm talking about. Where did I say that Flacco was 'the best' QB? Nowhere. I actually said I liked Flacco AND Smith, but that we needed to stick with what we've got because, for better or worse, it's better for the team overall. Moral, confidence, not only for the team but for all the fans. Most of the true Ravens fans are behind Flacco just because we don't have to worry about things that take away focus from games, like the McNair/Boller era. Most fans are tired of that. There IS no hate on Troy Smith. Where the Hell have you seen that? The only thing I've seen on these boards regarding hate has been on Flacco. Most of the fans LIKE Smith. And would have supported him exactly how we're supporting Flacco. The difference? Flacco is starting, so we're going to be behind him..and we don't want to see flip flopping. It wouldn't give Flacco confidence, it wouldn't give the team confidence, and I can say that for myself it would make me wonder if things really had changed for the better.

[Eurich]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='73009' date='Oct 5 2008, 02:45 PM']Hahahahah, I'm sorry, but that was completely uncalled for and somewhat offensive.

Troy Smith was a fifth round draft pick and basically a throw away pick if you ask me. Flacco was indirectly dubbed the eighteenth best player in the nation coming out of college. Troy Smith was surrounded by the best talent in the nation, Joe Flacco played at a second rate college and took his team to the title game. Troy Smith has a weaker arm, even though he is supposed to be a "toolsy" "athletic" type pick. Joe Flacco has more mobility and is more accurate. Some of what I said is arbitrary, but if you asked any scout they would rate Joe Flacco higher than Smith in every category. If Boller was still active and McNair hadn't retired, or we had a third veteran quarterback, Troy Smith wouldn't even have made the team.

Again, this isn't even occasionally discussed inside Owings Mills. The second Flacco was drafted, the season was devoted to his development, the question was whether he would learn more starting or watching a VETERAN. If you honestly think that putting in a fifth rounder and yanking our prized prospect after FOUR GAMES is beneficial to the future of this team, then I don't know what to say to you.[/quote]

Ryan Leaf top 5 pick.

Joe Flacco is not more athletic.

Saying Flacco is more accurate is like saying your poop smells better than mine.

[Perfekt]

yet again its not whos better or who would give us the best chance to win its about anyone but smith. im not saying that i want flacco to not play maybe i need to cap that statement cuz some people cant understand that. but i am saying that we shouldnt throw away the season if flacco shows that his developement needs more time.

[Eurich]

How do people defend this?

[img]http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p53/IncompletePhilosophy/joeflacco.jpg[/img]

[Ravnet]

[quote name='Eurich' post='73015' date='Oct 5 2008, 05:48 PM']Ryan Leaf top 5 pick.

Joe Flacco is not more athletic.

Saying Flacco is more accurate is like saying your poop smells better than mine.[/quote]

Flacco is better out of the pocket, can shake off a blocker more effectively and has a stronger arm. Smith may be able to scramble better, but who cares?

[Eurich]

Smith in regular season: 3 TDs 0 INTs

Flacco in regular season: 2 TDs 4 INTs.

[neepo13]

[quote name='Eurich' post='73028' date='Oct 5 2008, 05:54 PM']Smith in regular season: 3 TDs 0 INTs

Flacco in regular season: 2 TDs 4 INTs.[/quote]

How many games did Smith win?

[Ravnet]

[quote name='Eurich' post='73024' date='Oct 5 2008, 05:52 PM']How do people defend this?

[img]http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p53/IncompletePhilosophy/joeflacco.jpg[/img][/quote]

I cannot even fathom that you guys think that Troy should be starting. How can you possibly judge Flacco on stats alone.

[neepo13]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='73033' date='Oct 5 2008, 05:57 PM']I cannot even fathom that you guys think that Troy should be starting. How can you possibly judge Flacco on stats alone.[/quote]

They dont watch the games.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='Eurich' post='73028' date='Oct 5 2008, 05:54 PM']Smith in regular season: 3 TDs 0 INTs

Flacco in regular season: 2 TDs 4 INTs.[/quote]

That's misleading.

With Troy Smith under center, the Ravens had 8 drives that resulted in points.

With Joe Flacco under center, the Ravens had 12 drives that resulted in points.

I'd rather have a QB that can take the team down the field and put them in position to score points, period.

[nevermore621]

I will say it again...Flacco is a rookie, Smith is a rookie...lets just get behind Flacco no matter what...and if the chips fall to Smith one day so be it. But I think those who underestimate Flacco, do so not remembering the process that all QB's starting in the NFL have had to undergo. In recent history it took a couple of years for Eli Manning to really come into his own. But look where he is now, as the winner of a Super Bowl and leader of one of the NFL's undefeated teams this year.

Yeah, maybe we need to come down to earth a bit, but Flacco will arrive one day.

[Eurich]

Smith needs to be given an equal shot.

We do not have 2 years to wait for anyone.

We are old on defense.

[ravensrock86]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='72879' date='Oct 5 2008, 03:48 PM']Today's receiving stats:

Todd Heap - 4 catches, 41 yards
Derrick Mason - 5 catches, 38 yards
Mark Clayton - 4 catches, 37 yards
Demetrius Williams - 1 catch, 22 yards
LeRon McClain - 2 catches, 12 yards
Willis McGahee - 1 catch, 2 yards
Daniel Wilcox - 1 catch, 1 yard

That's seven different receivers, three other than Mason with multiple catches. Clayton and Heap had about the same number of catches & yardage as Mason.

So it's not like Flacco is throwing JUST to Derrick Mason...[/quote]

Well I think he is also including those passes to Mason that were incomplete, and if memory serves true there were several that were to Mason that ended up incomplete.

On the benching Flacco in favor of Smith topic,there are several good reasons:
1) Flacco is the one with the hefty contract
2) Smith was out for a few weeks so we handed the starting job over to Flacco. If we bench him now after two less than perfect performances against top defenses that would be showing we have no faith in him, which wouldn't do a whole lot of positive.
3) Give Flacco a little more time. He's a rookie, that was his fourth game, and as I said before, against two top defenses. Now if he starts to end up like he did today a good portion through the season and against defenses who are ranked poorly, it might be time to [i]maybe[/i] reconsider.

[die_hard_raven]

As fans we are all frustrated. Before Flacco threw the interception at the end of the game that sealed the deal let us not forget if not for a penalty we had an interception that was called back. If not for the penalty the Titans wouldn't have scored a TD and the game would have been over. Last week a penalty by Jarrett hurt us late in the game. The penalties have to stop, especially toward the end of the game when we are ahead.

I understand Joe is a rookie and the fumble last week was excusable. Today I wasn't pleased with the decision making of trying to force the ball into double coverage. It gave me flashbacks of "Boller". He is young and he deserves a chance... if he continues to make the same mistakes week in and week out I think his confidence may be affected and who knows what that will lead to. At the moment i'm pissed and not talking to anyone. I'm thinking about Indy next week. Indy has looked terrible and bearly found a way to get the W. If turnovers pleague us again next week... I wil not be happy. Our division is terrible, the Steelers are on the ropes and we should take advantage. I see NO reason why this team cannot make the playoffs. I will keep the faith cause I bleed black and purple but Flacco needs to learn from his mistakes. Winning cures everything but a few more losses because of our lack of ability to put points on the board and whether we like it or not the dogs will come out barking and there will be controversies brewing. That is the nature of the beast.

GO RAVENS!

[nevermore621]

We really need to get back to basics, get back to the drawing board, and not let ourselves get drawn into needless penalties by overemotional opponents.

But we don't need to kick anyone under the bus just yet...Have faith...everything will come around eventually. And next week is another chance to put it together and get that elusive win. Even in our Super Bowl year we lost 6 regular season games, so it is not over yet, by a long stretch.

[rlh445]

[quote name='Eurich' post='73049' date='Oct 5 2008, 05:15 PM']Smith needs to be given an equal shot.

We do not have 2 years to wait for anyone.

We are old on defense.[/quote]

Eurich..you're a troll. Period. Do you even realize what you're saying? 'We don't have two years to wait for anyone'. If that's your feelings, then why are you so in favor of Troy Smith? What you fools are not getting is that SMITH IS A ROOKIE TOO. WITH LESS GAME TIME THEN FLACCO. So, going by your 'logic', it will take MORE then two years if Smith took over. We're going to be developing one of our TWO rookie QBs, no matter which it is. So this entire B.S. about 'waiting two years' is a moot point. You know damn well that Smith wouldn't come in playing lights out like Tom Brady. Pfft. Your logic is faulty, your argument stinks, and you're just one more bandwagon troll.

[Eurich]

Smith might get us wins versus good teams.

[Ravens52]

We shouldn't be having this conversation. Just another case of Ravens fans overacting...

[rlh445]

[quote name='Eurich' post='73081' date='Oct 5 2008, 05:52 PM']Smith might get us wins versus good teams.[/quote]


And you're willing to bench an obviously gifted young QB, our franchise QB, for two tough losses to two very tough defensive teams for a 'might'? I rest my case.

[SickBoy]

[size=3]Every week Joe Flacco is the best player for the other team. I can not believe some of us are willing to throw away the season watching this guy throw to the other team. Its amazing to me!!! We seen him throw 3 passes to Titan players today, luckily one was overturned. We were good enough to make up for his mistakes against the Bengals and Browns, the competition is too much for us to play with this "handicap" any longer. Bring in our only division 1, heisman trophy winning quarterback. Its very simple to me. Look at Arizona, Matt Lienard was losing them football games so Matt Lienard is on the bench. You cant have 52 guys play their butts off while Tony Banks 2.0 is giving away BIG games.[/size]

[FerrariFan87]

Troy may not have any INTs, but like Joe today, he has had at least 4 that should have been caught by defenders so that stat is very misleading. Also, he barely has any real-game experience. I don't even count that Steelers game at the end of last year since they sat EVERYONE on defense because the game was worthless to them. My point is that we really need to get behind Joe and get him some weapons for goodness sake because our guys don't know how to get open. The Lions are pathetic and I am pretty sure Roy Williams wants out at this point... let's make them an offer of a low round (4th or later) draft pick and see if they bite.

[BuckWilds]

[quote name='Eurich' post='73081' date='Oct 5 2008, 06:52 PM']Smith might get us wins versus good teams.[/quote]

And an island in the mid-Atlantic might drop it's western side into the ocean and as a result send a 500-ft tsunami into the inner harbor... Then I'm going with the guy who looks like Phelps. Swim Flacco, swim!

When things "might" happen... lol.