Ray Rice's Contract Comming Up

[jmckinney]

lets hope the ravens give him what he wants. we need him bad for rushing yards he's no.1

[AsianRice]

[quote name='jmckinney' timestamp='1324050392' post='908031']
lets hope the ravens give him what he wants. we need him bad for rushing yards he's no.1
[/quote]
Too early, lets win all......

[jmckinney]

yupp

[Alexir]

[quote name='jmckinney' timestamp='1324050392' post='908031']
lets hope the ravens give him [b]what he wants.[/b] we need him bad for rushing yards he's no.1
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No thanks. He is being very professional about it now but he will definitely deman CJ2K money for his 2009 season and 2011 season where he was top in the league in yardage. He wants playmaker money.

I don't want us to break the bank on him when Grubbs and Flacco are also in need of contracts. And last time I checked it is much easier to replace a running back than a Franchise QB and we have seen our run game struggle without Grubbs in the line up....

I want a scenario where we keep all 3 hahaha but if Rice wants an insane contract, I say let him walk

[Fricknmaniac]

Honestly, Chris Johnson money isn't nearly as much as it really seems at first. For whatever reason running backs get really hosed when it comes to contracts. Chris Johnson resigned for under $10m a year. You see left tackles get over $10m a year, quarterbacks WAY more than $10 a year, cornerbacks too, heck, even Suggs' and Ngata's contracts were both over $10m a year.

Ray Rice is worth Chris Johnson money and he should be paid Chris Johnson money simple as that. Now Adrian Peterson money ($14m a year) that's getting more into the question is he worth that much. He probably still is, but Peterson had the tag of the best running back in the NFL for 3 years straight before he got that contract.

[jmckinney]

thank you you kno how much hes worth

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1324051297' post='908045']

No thanks. He is being very professional about it now but[b] he will definitely deman CJ2K money[/b] for his 2009 season and 2011 season where he was top in the league in yardage. He wants playmaker money.

I don't want us to break the bank on him when Grubbs and Flacco are also in need of contracts. And last time I checked it is much easier to replace a running back than a Franchise QB and we have seen our run game struggle without Grubbs in the line up....

I want a scenario where we keep all 3 hahaha but if Rice wants an insane contract, I say let him walk
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I dont agree with this at all. I think most reasonable football minds would tell you that Johnson was way overpaid. I dont see Rice demanding that type of money. Of course he is going to get paid, but I think it will be in the 25-30M guaranteed range with probably 40-45M total over 5 years. Rice has stated how much he likes Baltimore and the Ravens organization, and I think he will sign a fair deal that is good for him and the team. He isnt the selfish egocentric type like Chris Johnson.

He may end up being Franchised for a year, but personally I hope they sign him for a long-term deal so he doesnt have to worry about a contract.

[JO_75]

I'm not going to stress about it, even Rice has come out and said he isn't going to make a big deal out of it. If we Franchise him, I bet he would be content with the Tag and not complain about getting a new long term contract. Rice wants to be here and every player needs to take a page out of his book and just shut up and earn it instead of demanding it.

[Yatagarasu]

He's going to get Franchise Tagged.

Next Year Franchise money for RBs is around 6-7 million dollars, which is a bargain. (All Guaranteed)

Even tagging him the year after that is still under 10 million dollars, so it's really useful since we can keep both Flacco and Rice.

The only thing I worried about are teams like Tampa Bay, Cincinnati and Jacksonville have to reach the 90% minimum of the cap. They're going to throw the kitchen sink on every playmaker available on the market. I mean crazy money. Heck they might throw in the 1st and 3rd round pick for Lardarius Webb (Restricted Free Agent) and sign him for $10 million per year. At least they're not crazy enough to throw in two 1st rounders for Ray Rice, I wonder...

Imagine if all these teams threw away their 1st rounders for our players. Ozzie is going to have a field day on draft day.

[True]

Probably a 5 year contract with a lot of back loaded money in the final two years. Instead of a huge guaranteed amount I'd say they want to instead just give him a large signing bonus to save cap space.

[baltravens]

Ray Rice was a roll'in stone and he is going to lay his hat in Baltimore (his home).

[Fricknmaniac]

[quote name='Corvus Amplus' timestamp='1324056484' post='908116']
The only thing I worried about are teams like Tampa Bay, Cincinnati and Jacksonville have to reach the 90% minimum of the cap. They're going to throw the kitchen sink on every playmaker available on the market. I mean crazy money.[/quote]

I'm fairly sure that the 90% minimum doesn't kick in until 2013. (Thankfully)

[quoth_the_raven_neverscore]

[quote name='jmckinney' timestamp='1324050392' post='908031']
lets hope the ravens give him what he wants. we need him bad for rushing yards he's no.1
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i'm sure they will; he's such a crucial part of the offense, there's no way they're not going to get him back

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Fricknmaniac' timestamp='1324058007' post='908132']

I'm fairly sure that the 90% minimum doesn't kick in until 2013. (Thankfully)
[/quote]
Correct:
2013-2020
Salary cap will be based on the percentage of overall revenue.    
There will be a team minimum spending of 89% of salary.
This must be cash spending, not salary cap spending.    
The salary cap will be adjusted according to actual revenue

[arnie_uk]

5 yrs 40 - 45, if he wants any more let him go i think

[JO_75]

Quick question, I remember hearing during the lockout how the players wanted something in the CBA where a player can only be given the Franchise Tag one time. I can't remember if that was added to the CBA so let's say we Franchise Rice in the off-season but can't come to terms to a long term contract. In the next off-season, could we essentially give him the Franchise Tag again, similar to what we did with Suggs?

[Moderator 3]

Yes, you can still franchise a player twice, but the second time the price goes way up.

[Fricknmaniac]

Some players have successfully worked into the Franchise Tag contract a stipulation that the team may not use the Franchise Tag a second time, but it's not standard.

I did a little bit of research to confirm the numbers that I knew, but I found out something interesting, there actually two different types of Franchise Tag, the exclusive and non-exclusive tag.

The exclusive tag, the player gets the average of the top 5 salaries at his position for the upcoming year or 120% of his previous year's salary, whichever is greater. No other team may negotiate with that player. (I didn't realize teams could do this, I thought the next one was the only one.)

The non-exclusive tag, the player gets the average of the top 5 salaries at his position for the upcoming year or 120% of his previous year's salary, whichever is greater. Players may negotiate with other teams, but any offer made by another team can be matched by the team that tagged him. If they decline to match, then they will receive two first round draft picks as compensation.

Anyway, Ozzy has a history of taking care of the players that he Franchise Tags with new contracts so that they never actually play under those contracts. Suggs was the exception, not the rule. And Ray Rice is such a class act that I have little doubt that they'll work it out.

[CapoRocky]

Let's see what happens after the playoffs. I would sign Ray for around $60 million for 5 years. He's worth it. Of course, it's not my money. I think that he's better than Johnson but not as good as Peterson.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Fricknmaniac' timestamp='1324175848' post='909155']
Some players have successfully worked into the Franchise Tag contract a stipulation that the team may not use the Franchise Tag a second time, but it's not standard.

I did a little bit of research to confirm the numbers that I knew, but I found out something interesting, there actually two different types of Franchise Tag, the exclusive and non-exclusive tag.

The exclusive tag, the player gets the average of the top 5 salaries at his position for the upcoming year or 120% of his previous year's salary, whichever is greater. No other team may negotiate with that player. (I didn't realize teams could do this, I thought the next one was the only one.)

The non-exclusive tag, the player gets the average of the top 5 salaries at his position for the upcoming year or 120% of his previous year's salary, whichever is greater. Players may negotiate with other teams, but any offer made by another team can be matched by the team that tagged him. If they decline to match, then they will receive two first round draft picks as compensation.

Anyway, Ozzy has a history of taking care of the players that he Franchise Tags with new contracts so that they never actually play under those contracts. Suggs was the exception, not the rule. And Ray Rice is such a class act that I have little doubt that they'll work it out.
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I am fairly certain they changed the Franchise Tag in the new CBA so it is no longer the Avg of top 5 salaries in the upcoming year, but is instead the Avg of the top 5 salaries over the past 5 years. This results in a significantly lower figure.

[Fricknmaniac]

I can't find anything about a change in the calculation of the Franchise Tag. I do recall that the number of Ray Rice is projected to be noticeably low next year, but that's more because Chris Johnson and Adrian Peterson signed big extensions this year. Traditionally with the extensions the actual salary of the first year is rather low, which benefits the team, but the player gets all of the signing bonus at that time, so the lower salary doesn't matter.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Fricknmaniac' timestamp='1324178328' post='909178']
I can't find anything about a change in the calculation of the Franchise Tag. I do recall that the number of Ray Rice is projected to be noticeably low next year, but that's more because Chris Johnson and Adrian Peterson signed big extensions this year. Traditionally with the extensions the actual salary of the first year is rather low, which benefits the team, but the player gets all of the signing bonus at that time, so the lower salary doesn't matter.
[/quote]

I think the Franchise Tag value is calculated from the Cap Figure, not just the base salary.

[Fricknmaniac]

Ah, I finally found the new information:

[quote]The new formula is much more complicated and is formed by determining the franchise tags at that position over the last five years as a percentage of the overall cap figure in each of those five years.[/quote]

Also, the RB tag is projected to be $7.7m.

And knowing is half the battle!

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8247df3a/article/franchisetag-values-will-be-down-across-the-board-in-2012

[Ravens549]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1324051297' post='908045']

No thanks. He is being very professional about it now but he will definitely deman CJ2K money for his 2009 season and 2011 season where he was top in the league in yardage. He wants playmaker money.

I don't want us to break the bank on him when Grubbs and Flacco are also in need of contracts. And last time I checked it is much easier to replace a running back than a Franchise QB and we have seen our run game struggle without Grubbs in the line up....

I want a scenario where we keep all 3 hahaha but if Rice wants an insane contract, I say let him walk
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This is asinine.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Fricknmaniac' timestamp='1324179086' post='909190']
Ah, I finally found the new information:



Also, the RB tag is projected to be $7.7m.

And knowing is half the battle!

[url="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8247df3a/article/franchisetag-values-will-be-down-across-the-board-in-2012"]http://www.nfl.com/n...e-board-in-2012[/url]
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Thanks for doing the research!

[Fricknmaniac]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1324179969' post='909196']
Thanks for doing the research!
[/quote]

Thank you for letting me know that I was wrong. I wouldn't have found that out otherwise. =D

[PurpleDrink]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1324051297' post='908045']


No thanks. He is being very professional about it now but he will definitely deman CJ2K money for his 2009 season and 2011 season where he was top in the league in yardage. He wants playmaker money.

I don't want us to break the bank on him when Grubbs and Flacco are also in need of contracts. And last time I checked it is much easier to replace a running back than a Franchise QB and we have seen our run game struggle without Grubbs in the line up....

I want a scenario where we keep all 3 hahaha but if Rice wants an insane contract, I say let him walk
[/quote]

We dont win the games thats needed for us to get to the Superbowl with Flaco just throwing the ball and you have a problem paying a guy who if you give him over 20 touches a game we win.....I dont understand you people and this love affair with a non-elite QB.
He's ok and everything but REALLY......

[Alexir]

[quote name='PurpleDrink' timestamp='1324207019' post='909270']

We dont win the games thats needed for us to get to the Superbowl with Flaco just throwing the ball and you have a problem paying a guy who if you give him over 20 touches a game we win.....I dont understand you people and this love affair with a non-elite QB.
He's ok and everything but REALLY......
[/quote]
Flacco? I m concerned about Grubbs. We've seen this offense without Grubbs, it's not pretty passing or rushing.

[Bltravens]

Its games like this that will make Flacco's next contract completely manageable and nowhere near even 80 mil. Regardless of what Joe and his agent think, it's plainly obvious Joe cant just sit in the gun and throw on a consistent basis.

[nyc9192]

[quote name='Fricknmaniac' timestamp='1324179086' post='909190']
Ah, I finally found the new information:



Also, the RB tag is projected to be $7.7m.

And knowing is half the battle!

[url="http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8247df3a/article/franchisetag-values-will-be-down-across-the-board-in-2012"]http://www.nfl.com/n...e-board-in-2012[/url]
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And knowing is half the battle!-Your my hero bro[img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/bowdownsmiley.gif[/img]