Fantasy Vent Thread

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Finally went 4-4 in my leagues this week

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1352234934' post='1212320']
In my one league I also have Freeman backing up Vick. I have been going with Vick almost exclusively but now it will be a time share for sure. I'm going with Freeman over Vick this week, which one you going with?
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Vick easily. Not even close imo. The reason is simple. The eagles always be raping those little cowboys convict style. The boys offensive line is just as bad and Romo is just as bad in terms of turnovers. The eagles still have more talent at every facet compared to the cowboys so theres no question which one I choose.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1352241300' post='1212426']

Vick easily. Not even close imo. The reason is simple. The eagles always be raping those little cowboys convict style. The boys offensive line is just as bad and Romo is just as bad in terms of turnovers. The eagles still have more talent at every facet compared to the cowboys so theres no question which one I choose.
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Why does Cowboys talent have anything to do with Vick vs Freeman? Cowboys D has actually been pretty good, especially going up against that atrocious Eagles oline.

Freeman has been tearing it up recently and one cpuld argue he actually has better weapons than Vick. Id start Freeman.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1352244514' post='1212473']
Why does Cowboys talent have anything to do with Vick vs Freeman? Cowboys D has actually been pretty good, especially going up against that atrocious Eagles oline.

Freeman has been tearing it up recently and one cpuld argue he actually has better weapons than Vick. Id start Freeman.
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Cowboys are Vick's matchup which affects his fantasy production. While Vick is directly facing the cowboys D, how the cowboys offense performs directly correlates to how often vick will get the ball. Since the Cowboys offensive line might be the only one worse than Vick's + the turnover problem + Romo's receivers not being able to run the right routes, Vick will probably get the ball a lot more and will have more opportunities to produce.

As bad as the eagles o line is that is actually a benefit for Vick because it forces him to scramble more (not that he wouldnt normally, but now defensive penetration is forcing him to go back to tuck and run instinct). During his last 3 games he has rushed for 59 42 and 53 rushing yards. I will say that if his o line could do a better job blocking he might do a more effective job of rushing, but still thats about 5 fantasy points a game just from rushing meaning that 200 and a td would give him a decent fantasy day total of 17. That doesnt include if he gets a rushing td or he passes for lets say 300 instead 200.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='Sizzlebshu' timestamp='1352247493' post='1212496']
Cowboys are Vick's matchup which affects his fantasy production. While Vick is directly facing the cowboys D, how the cowboys offense performs directly correlates to how often vick will get the ball. Since the Cowboys offensive line might be the only one worse than Vick's + the turnover problem + Romo's receivers not being able to run the right routes, Vick will probably get the ball a lot more and will have more opportunities to produce.

As bad as the eagles o line is that is actually a benefit for Vick because it forces him to scramble more (not that he wouldnt normally, but now defensive penetration is forcing him to go back to tuck and run instinct). During his last 3 games he has rushed for 59 42 and 53 rushing yards. I will say that if his o line could do a better job blocking he might do a more effective job of rushing, but still thats about 5 fantasy points a game just from rushing meaning that 200 and a td would give him a decent fantasy day total of 17. That doesnt include if he gets a rushing td or he passes for lets say 300 instead 200.
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I think you are really stretching here. Cowboys Offense has certainly had it's problems, but so has Philly's defense. The Eagles arent forcing TO's like the Giants do when Romo had has awful game.

I dont think Vick is a bad fantasy option, but he isnt a must start by any means. He will get his rushing yards, but I dont think scrambling for his life is helping at all. He doesnt have time to be an effective passer and he is getting sacked as often as he is picking up positive yards. He hasnt been getting rushing TDs either and only has 10 passing TDs.

Freeman on the other hand has 16 TDs and doesnt lose points via TOs like Vick.

Over the past 4 weeks Freeman has scored 23,29,22 and 17. Vick has scored 12,21,15, and 17. It seems pretty obvious to me who is the better option.

[RavensPunkXVX]

I'd say role with Freeman. I went with him over Matt Ryan for the past few weeks.

Week 7 30.10
Week 8 22.38
Week 9 18.08

Vincent Jackson is coming up huge. I don't see Vick going wild on the Cowboys. I mean that line was atrocious this past game. Plus, Tampa has the Muscle Hamster, haha, and that helps out Freeman tremendously.

[flaccopoe]

So glad I didn't start T.Y. Hilton! 3 pt against the 25th-ranked pass defense!

[RavensPunkXVX]

[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1352450049' post='1213779']
So glad I didn't start T.Y. Hilton! 3 pt against the 25th-ranked pass defense!
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I did. And I replaced Torrey Smith with him...

Sigh.

Although, my opponent had Blackmon and he only ended up with 2.5, so it evened out.

[flaccopoe]

[quote name='SpiderWebb21' timestamp='1352451279' post='1213781']
I did. And I replaced Torrey Smith with him...

Sigh.

Although, my opponent had Blackmon and he only ended up with 2.5, so it evened out.
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Pity the fool that starts a Jacksonville Jaguar...

[Mt. Crushmore]

[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1352450049' post='1213779']
So glad I didn't start T.Y. Hilton! 3 pt against the 25th-ranked pass defense!
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I had to due to byes.

[RavensPunkXVX]

[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1352451796' post='1213782']
Pity the fool that starts a Jacksonville Jaguar...
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Except Jaguars WR Cecil Shorts ended up with 105 yards and a TD. 16.50. Who also happens to be a FA, but I chose Hilton over him... Ah. Fantasy football.

[PuRock]

[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1352451796' post='1213782']
Pity the fool that starts a Jacksonville Jaguar...
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I was forced to start Jennings because of my RB injuries (Murray, McFadden, Mendenhall). I had to go with Chris Johnson and Jennings this week. I traded for CJ before his breakout with the idea that he would be a solid flex if he ever came around not my #1 guy.

But I digress. 2 points from Jennings put me in a hole considering the guy I am playing against had the Colts D.

*Sigh* Just a rough year for me. This year is surpassing 2003 as my worst fantasy football year.

[theblackdog]

[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1352450049' post='1213779']
So glad I didn't start T.Y. Hilton! 3 pt against the 25th-ranked pass defense!
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I did, because I think Steve Smith is going to get his butt handed to him this weekend by Denver. Watch as suddenly Cam Newton decides to grow up and play NFL football for 60 minutes this week.

I'm hoping I don't entirely regret this decision.

[PuRock]

[quote name='theblackdog' timestamp='1352479459' post='1213908']
I did, because I think Steve Smith is going to get his butt handed to him this weekend by Denver. [b] Watch as suddenly Cam Newton decides to grow up and play NFL football for 60 minutes this week.[/b]

I'm hoping I don't entirely regret this decision.
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I'd be cheering for this. I like Cam (not so much Smith) in this game .

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='flaccopoe' timestamp='1352451796' post='1213782']


Pity the fool that starts a Jacksonville Jaguar...
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I started Cecil shorts who got 105 and a touchdown

[flaccopoe]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1352481761' post='1213941']
I'd be cheering for this. I like Cam (not so much Smith) in this game .
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I'm starting him and Freeman this week, so I hope you're right.

[Gordo52]

Rodgers & RG3 had byes. I was forced to play Tannehill. Next week I'm on a bye. That is all.

[CorvusCorax]

I should've started Joe Flacco and Tony Gonzalez over Luck and the Gronk. Now I gotta rely on Pitt D tonight to get me like 20 points.


Now the conundrum begins, should I start Joe vs. Pitt D AWAY. And we all know how bad (fantasy-wise) he's been away this season.

[flaccopoe]

[quote name='CorvusCorax' timestamp='1352716522' post='1216598']
I should've started Joe Flacco and Tony Gonzalez over Luck and the Gronk. Now I gotta rely on Pitt D tonight to get me like 20 points.


Now the conundrum begins, should I start Joe vs. Pitt D AWAY. And we all know how bad (fantasy-wise) he's been away this season.
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Flacco has a horrible schedule ahead. Pittsburgh twice, the Broncos and the Giants. 4 of his final games are on the road. Bottom line: don't start him unless you have no better choice.

[RavensPunkXVX]

Remember that one time, when I started Brian Hartline over Torrey Smith... smh.

However, I'm still in it. I need 3.1 from Heath Miller tonight. He has nobody left.

I'm a Steelers fan until Miller gets 32 yards or a TD.

[RavensPunkXVX]

I hope the guy who was contemplating on starting Vick, didn't.

[flaccopoe]

[quote name='SpiderWebb21' timestamp='1352751882' post='1216905']
Remember that one time, when I started Brian Hartline over Torrey Smith... smh.

However, I'm still in it. I need 3.1 from Heath Miller tonight. He has nobody left.

I'm a Steelers fan until Miller gets 32 yards or a TD.
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Congrats, he got 47! I however, git wiped out during that game. I lost by 8 pt because Jamaal Charles decided to play and the Steelers defensive line decided to fall asleep! What 'elite' defense gives up 16 pt to Charles!

[theblackdog]

I got my [profanity deleted] handed to me this week because both Flacco and the Ravens D pulled their act together, while Roethlisburger and the Steelers D utterly wet the bed last night. It didn't help that Tony Gonzalez blew it up for my opponent.

[RavensPunkXVX]

I'm gonna punch Brian Hartline in the face and then run.

[-Truth-]

We both had a Matt on our team. We both started ours. Mine was Ryan...his was Schaub.

[RavensPunkXVX]

[quote name='-Truth-' timestamp='1353276683' post='1222055']
We both had a Matt on our team. We both started ours. Mine was Ryan...his was Schaub.
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I am feeling your pain bro. I started Matt Ryan this week as well. The past 3-4 weeks, I took Josh Freeman over Ryan, this week, I decided to roll with Ryan, and FIVE PICKS?! C'mon MAN! I wanted to see them lose after that.

[Guest Moderator 6]

I'm about to lose and if I do I will be mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. First time in years I haven't made it to the playoffs. Of course this is the first year there is money on the line, so I'm out 50 bucks

[-Truth-]

[quote name='SpiderWebb21' timestamp='1353279209' post='1222081']
I am feeling your pain bro. I started Matt Ryan this week as well. The past 3-4 weeks, I took Josh Freeman over Ryan, this week, I decided to roll with Ryan, and FIVE PICKS?! C'mon MAN! I wanted to see them lose after that.
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lol I had Freeman riding the bench, but it wouldn't have mattered. My team was obliterated this week, and I needed a W to keep pace in the Playoff race. I'm assuming yours was closer. So did I.

[Sizzlebshu]

The saints actually decided to play defense today....while San Diego decided not. Awesome sauce...well whatever I was gonna lose this week anyway given how many players I had on bye

Shady Mccoy injured yada yada

[rmw10]

Gronk and Shady injured. Ouch.