Is Ray Rice Our Version Of Heinz Ward?

[PeRK82]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1323616568' post='902219']
Dang, we need to get better at reading what you meant and not what you actually wrote [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png[/img]
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I know right, wth, Honestly i thought thats how it was spelled.

[codizzle]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1323616303' post='902217']


oH Well i meant the running back for the Bears and that who i thought they were talking about
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oh well clearly the fault is mine.. i bow in disgrace

[Raven Hammer]

Rice is a class act. In no way shape or form should he be compaired with HW. Ward only has 3 out of the 5 letters in class

[CapoRocky]

Dump this thread. It's like comparing apples to oranges here unless you are comparing yards after catch.

[berad]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1323612000' post='902194']
The fine was BS. Ray had his head up, face forward. The helmet to helmet was caused by hiney dropping down.
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Ray's helmet still hit Ward's helmet, if you're going to fine one you have to fine them all.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1323621149' post='902239']

Ray's helmet still hit Ward's helmet, if you're going to fine one you have to fine them all.
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I hear what you are saying, but it was wards action that caused the helmet to helmet. So he should be fined(?).

In the end, I guess Ray initiated the contact, but I don't see how he could have done anything different to avoid it. He used textbook technique, head up and drove through him.

[berad]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1323621772' post='902244']
I hear what you are saying, but it was wards action that caused the helmet to helmet. So he should be fined(?).

I don't see how Ray could have done anything different to avoid it. He used textbook technique, head up and drove through him.
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I think the rule states that the defender is ultimately responsible for whatever he hits. It's a bad rule, I agree, but they enforced it properly. I was happy to get out of there without a flag, they've called it for much, much less.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1323621875' post='902246']

I think the rule states that the defender is ultimately responsible for whatever he hits. It's a bad rule, I agree, but they enforced it properly.[u][i][b] I was happy to get out of there without a flag, they've called it for much, much less.[/b][/i][/u]
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Agreed.

After all of the bad calls over the last few years, maybe the refs have been instructed to take it easy on us! [size=1]Just kidding.[/size]

[ball hawkin 20]

something i notice...I love RR but you all overrate him. He's barely a top 10 RB

[PeRK82]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1323618020' post='902225']
oh well clearly the fault is mine.. i bow in disgrace [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.png[/img]
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Yea thats what i thought,

Thought id have to get real O.G on you fooool,lol (O.riginal G.olfer)

[Bltravens]

[quote name='marylandmike12' timestamp='1323578877' post='902095']
well theres a viking fan in my school who said they would ratherhave rice than ap.... so would i really
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He cant be serious. AP is hands down the best HB Ive seen in the last 8 years in my opinion. No one combines his power and speed, no one.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='ball hawkin 20' timestamp='1323622216' post='902252']
something i notice...I love RR but you all overrate him. He's barely a top 10 RB
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Barely? Name ten RBs better than him.

Right now, the only ones I'd take over him are Peterson, Foster, McCoy and MJD.

[MsMarvel73]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1323575479' post='902078']
Wait a sec are we talking about the same Hines Ward? The cheap shot artist who is now old and getting his comeuppance - that Hines Ward.? If so then Ray Rice could never be mentioned in the same sentence with that NFL garbage. Oh sure Ward has made some awesome receptions but at the expense of several NFL careers. I stand up and cheer everytime I see him leveled and watch him struggle to get up. Ray Rice is a good and decent man. He plays hard but doesn't take cheap shots. I wish all of our players had his competitve drive to win.
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I would have never said it this well.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1323626037' post='902294']


Barely? Name ten RBs better than him.

Right now, the only ones I'd take over him are Peterson, Foster, McCoy and MJD.
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Yeah, I don't get the "he's barely a top 10 RB" as well. That's just foolish talk!

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='ball hawkin 20' timestamp='1323622216' post='902252']
something i notice...I love RR but you all overrate him. He's barely a top 10 RB
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If I'm not mistaken he just notched his 3rd straight 1000 yard rushing season, and he's closing in on his second season with 2000 all-purpose yards. I don't think Adrian Peterson even has one 2000 all-purpose yard season. Peterson is clearly superior, no question, but to say Ray Rice is barely top ten is a bit farfetched, in my opinion.

[wizard1]

[quote name='PARavensgirl' timestamp='1323626749' post='902317']

I would have never said it this well.
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Thanks PARavensgirl[img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/blush.png[/img]

[Hjulmann]

[quote name='ball hawkin 20' timestamp='1323622216' post='902252']
something i notice...I love RR but you all overrate him. He's barely a top 10 RB
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This is ludicrous. What are you basing it on? The fact that he's not on top 5 in rushing yards? Dude, Ray Rice is statistically just short of 40% of our offense, and is number two in yards gained at his position. How the heck is he overrated?

[Hjulmann]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1323626037' post='902294']

Barely? Name ten RBs better than him.

Right now, the only ones I'd take over him are Peterson, Foster, McCoy and MJD.
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I'd take Matt Forte as an honorable mention too, had he not been injured...

[macbrak]

Rice can catch better the AP but AP is a better pure RB.

Hines is a good blocker/catcher but not equal to rice's catching, plus running, plus blocking.

[baroquenspirit]

Hines Ward is a 1st Ballot hall of famer, Rice has a long way to go before he gets compared to Ward in any way. The Ravens fans only hate the guy so much because he has owned them for years, and jacked up so many of their safeties and CBs...all while having a blast and playing the game like a kid. Its clueless and classless to bash him because he is in the twilight of his career...every single player eventually has diminishing skills and retires. True NFL fans respect quality opponents....and don't bother with the "dirty player" responses.

[macbrak]

[quote name='baroquenspirit' timestamp='1323643820' post='903552']
Hines Ward is a 1st Ballot hall of famer, Rice has a long way to go before he gets compared to Ward in any way. The Ravens fans only hate the guy so much because he has owned them for years, and jacked up so many of their safeties and CBs...all while having a blast and playing the game like a kid. Its clueless and classless to bash him because he is in the twilight of his career...every single player eventually has diminishing skills and retires. True NFL fans respect quality opponents....and don't bother with the "dirty player" responses.
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ask any nfl fan who they rather have on their team, Rice or Ward.


Ward is a great total player but, I'd take Anquan Boldin over him much less Ray Rice.

[baroquenspirit]

[quote name='macbrak' timestamp='1323643964' post='903558']
ask any nfl fan who they rather have on their team, Rice or Ward.


Ward is a great total player but, I'd take Anquan Boldin over him much less Ray Rice.
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Bwa ha ha ha! You ask them, just ask outside of Baltimore and 95% of them will take the 13 year career of Hines Ward over Rice or Boldin. Seriously dude, you have got to be kidding me.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='baroquenspirit' timestamp='1323643820' post='903552']
Hines Ward is a 1st Ballot hall of famer, Rice has a long way to go before he gets compared to Ward in any way. The Ravens fans only hate the guy so much because he has owned them for years, and jacked up so many of their safeties and CBs...all while having a blast and playing the game like a kid. Its clueless and classless to bash him because he is in the twilight of his career...every single player eventually has diminishing skills and retires. True NFL fans respect quality opponents....and don't bother with the "dirty player" responses.
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Calling Ward a "first ballot HOF'er" may not be such a lock statement like you think. Not discrediting the guy entirely, I just highly doubt he gets the first year he's eligible.

[macbrak]

Bwa ha ha ha! Ward's best days are behind him.

I'm not taking about 13 years, I'm talking this year and next. go troll the Cinci forums.

[baroquenspirit]

[quote name='macbrak' timestamp='1323644812' post='903587']
Bwa ha ha ha! Ward's best days are behind him.

I'm not taking about 13 years, I'm talking this year and next. go troll the Cinci forums.
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Oh, in that case, ask anyone in the NFL they would take James Harrison over Ray Lewis. How silly to compare one of the final seasons of a star to a player with a couple good years in. [i]<Deleted>[/i]

[baroquenspirit]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1323644650' post='903581']
Calling Ward a "first ballot HOF'er" may not be such a lock statement like you think. Not discrediting the guy entirely, I just highly doubt he gets the first year he's eligible.
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Fair enough, but his numbers are better than Swann and Stallworth who are already both in...he is a HOFamer.

[redrum52]

[quote name='baroquenspirit' timestamp='1323645380' post='903606']

Fair enough, but his numbers are better than Swann and Stallworth who are already both in...he is a HOFamer.
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How many rings do those guys have?

[PurpleCorsair]

[quote name='baroquenspirit' timestamp='1323645380' post='903606']

Fair enough, but his numbers are better than Swann and Stallworth who are already both in...he is a HOFamer.
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To be fair there are better wideouts than Swann and Stallworth who aren't in the HOF...Don't be surprised if Hines doesn't get in for a good while.

[baroquenspirit]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1323645964' post='903620']


How many rings do those guys have?
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4 to Hines 2...hardly a way to make a case against the guy...lol.

[baroquenspirit]

[quote name='PurpleCorsair' timestamp='1323645996' post='903621']

To be fair there are better wideouts than Swann and Stallworth who aren't in the HOF...Don't be surprised if Hines doesn't get in for a good while.
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Only to a Ravens or Browns fans...but not objective NFL fans.