James Harrison Suspended For One Game

[Natty Boh]

What should Roger Goodell do about this?

[berad]

Probably a suspension, with the fine - of course. The dude still doesn't understand, judging by his post-game comments.

Just an aside, but McCoy shouldn't have gone back into the game. He obviously had a concussion. After the game, the Browns asked the media to dim the lights for his press conference because he was too sensitive to it... to allow him to go back is an absolute joke and may have cost them the game.

EDIT: Colt McCoy also said he didn't remember the Harrison hit... you know you're concussed when...

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

Like berad said, his history for this kind of thing will likely get him a suspension or a hefty fine at the very least.

The Browns are incredibly stupid for letting McCoy go back into the game. After all the league is trying to do to cut down on concussions, they let their QB go back onto the field when he's clearly got one?

[AsianRice]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1323457930' post='901162']
Probably a suspension, with the fine - of course. The dude still doesn't understand, judging by his post-game comments.

Just an aside, but McCoy shouldn't have gone back into the game. He obviously had a concussion. After the game, the Browns asked the media to dim the lights for his press conference because he was too sensitive to it... to allow him to go back is an absolute joke and [b]may have cost them the game[/b].
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They could care less about winning since they are out of playoff race; their #1 pass defense and fundamental tackling was atrocious last night. They deserved to lose....

[JO_75]

Suh had how many incidents and fines did he have before the Thanksgiving Stomp? As far as I know Harrison has had more incidents and has been constantly getting fined with zero suspensions. Suh has a little and gets suspended? Time to suspend Harrison 2 games.

[berad]

I still think it's amazing that a Pro Bowl / DPOY athlete doesn't know how form-tackle. If he does that, none of these fines happen. It's a pandemic in Pittsburgh, apparently: Ryan Clark, James Harrison, and Troy Polamalu have had lapses on how to tackle and they've felt the implications in both their wallet and their health.

[hawkprey]

I bet Pitt fans are complaining this was an accident too. I swear, the entire city of Pittsburgh just doesn't get it. You can't aim your helmet at another player's helmet! And Ryan Clark, stop launching yourself into players' helmets! That's an automatic flag! I can't believe no one sees the difference between him diving at Ed Dickson's helmet and Ray hitting Hines in the helmet incidentally.

[Natty Boh]

I think Roger Goodell will only fine him but I think James Harrison is to the point of getting a 1 game suspension. This guy has already been fined numerous times for the same or similar issues and the behavoir hasn't stopped.

It's not as bad as the Ndamukong Suh stomping incident but the pattern is the same. Fines, fines, fines, and then eventually...a suspension for Suh. I don't see a big difference in those terms with James Harrison.

[arnie_uk]

i didnt see it, but he said mccoy left the pocket and was therefore a runner, and on a runner, there is no such thing as helmet to helmet? is this not the case then if your saying ban him? was mccoy still in the pocket?

[Natty Boh]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1323461669' post='901212']
i didnt see it, but he said mccoy left the pocket and was therefore a runner, and on a runner, there is no such thing as helmet to helmet? is this not the case then if your saying ban him? was mccoy still in the pocket?
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Here is Harrison's quote and Mike Florio's response as part of the article in the link below.

[url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/09/harrisons-hit-on-mccoy-could-fall-into-gray-area-of-ruleboo/"]http://profootballta...rea-of-ruleboo/[/url]


“From what I understand, once the quarterback leaves the pocket, [url="http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/12/defense_leaves_steelers_offens.html"]he’s considered a runner[/url],” Harrison said after the game, according to Mary Kay Cabot of the[i]Cleveland Plain Dealer[/i]. “All the defenseless[ness] and liberties that a quarterback has in the pocket are gone and you can tackle him just as he’s a running back. The hit wasn’t late, so I really don’t understand why it was called.”

[b]Technically, Harrison’s understanding is wrong.[/b] When the quarterback leaves the pocket, he loses the protection against low hits, and the one-step rule for roughing the passer evaporates. But all other protections apply, including the prohibition against blows to the head.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1323461669' post='901212']
i didnt see it, but he said mccoy left the pocket and was therefore a runner, and on a runner, there is no such thing as helmet to helmet? is this not the case then if your saying ban him? was mccoy still in the pocket?
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The rule actually states that you can never hit another player with the crown of your helmet or launch yourself. Period. There is no distinguishing between runner, QB or receiver. The refs actually called the wrong penalty IMO. They called roughing the passer and I'm not sure it was a late enough hit for that. It should have been called a helmet to helmet hit.

[Irish Raven]

One game suspension and fine sounds about right to me

And then the league can look into why the Browns sent a concussed player back onto the field and why the Steelers use the ridiculous tag of "concussion like symptoms"
Maybe the league will do nothing but at least follow it up and ask questions

[RavensFanInCA]

I vote one or two game suspension. I read all the stuff NFL.com has to say about it and all this "bang-bang" play or Deion's "he's a moving target". To me, only one fact is important. Colt McCoy never drops his shoulder or gets lower during the entire play. Harrison hit McCoy in the facemask with the crown of his helmet. Oh, his head wasn't up when he made the tackle? Well it was still [i]way[/i] too high. Head down, aim for the strike zone, get it done LEGALLY. If you're trying to lay him out with your shoulder, keep your head up and see what you're hitting.

[Wallace17_OutRunMe]

I love how you guys sit here and act like you are all so concerned about Colt McCoy getting a concussion on the Harrison hit and saying he shouldnt have been put back in the game. The only reason you guys care at all that he got put back into the game was because he ended up throwing an interception on 3rd and goal there from the 15 which pretty much ended any chance the Browns had of pulling off the upset. Was it stupid to put McCoy back in seeing he was concussed?? Absolutely but I dont believe for one second that any Ravens fan on here gives 2 [profanity deleted]s less about them putting McCoy back in the game because it was a danger to his health. You guys are just pissed off he blew the game for the Browns and they couldnt hand the Steelers that one more loss you guys are so desperately hoping for before the season ends. As for Harrison should he be fined?? Definitely it was a terrible hit and totally uncalled no doubt. I wouldnt have a problem either if they suspend him for 1 game as well. If he misses the 49ers game because of suspension so be it. I still think the Steelers can contain the mediocre 49ers offense enough to win the game whether Harrison plays or not. They have faced better offenses this season without Harrison in there and played pretty solid no reason to think they couldnt do the same against the Niners.

[Natty Boh]

[quote name='Wallace17_OutRunMe' timestamp='1323481053' post='901390']
I love how you guys sit here and act like you are all so concerned about Colt McCoy getting a concussion on the Harrison hit and saying he shouldnt have been put back in the game. The only reason you guys care at all that he got put back into the game was because he ended up throwing an interception on 3rd and goal there from the 15 which pretty much ended any chance the Browns had of pulling off the upset. Was it stupid to put McCoy back in seeing he was concussed?? Absolutely but I dont believe for one second that any Ravens fan on here gives 2 [profanity deleted]s less about them putting McCoy back in the game because it was a danger to his health. You guys are just pissed off he blew the game for the Browns and they couldnt hand the Steelers that one more loss you guys are so desperately hoping for before the season ends. As for Harrison should he be fined?? Definitely it was a terrible hit and totally uncalled no doubt. I wouldnt have a problem either if they suspend him for 1 game as well. If he misses the 49ers game because of suspension so be it. I still think the Steelers can contain the mediocre 49ers offense enough to win the game whether Harrison plays or not. They have faced better offenses this season without Harrison in there and played pretty solid no reason to think they couldnt do the same against the Niners.
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(You could have saved a lot of typing if you just stated your opinion on the topic and didn't branch out on taking general shots at other people who posted in this thread. Thanks for your input.)

James Harrison is a great talent. If he could just reel it in at times, he could avoid these situations.

[tsizzle95]

just fine him. he plays really physical football which i like most ravens fans has to appreciate. at least he isnt stomping people..

[Wallace17_OutRunMe]

[quote name='Natty Boh' timestamp='1323482324' post='901404']
You could have saved a lot of typing if you just stated your opinion on the topic and didn't branch out on taking general shots at other people who posted in this thread. Thanks for your input.
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I did state my opinion on what should happen to Harrison go back and read it. I was just pointing out though how comical it is that so many Ravens fans act like there actually care about the health of Colt McCoy. Had McCoy got put back in the game and threw a TD pass and it won the Browns the game would you guys still be saying the samethings?? I highly doubt it very much...

[Natty Boh]

[quote name='Wallace17_OutRunMe' timestamp='1323482760' post='901416']
I did state my opinion on what should happen to Harrison go back and read it. I was just pointing out though how comical it is that so many Ravens fans act like there actually care about the health of Colt McCoy. Had McCoy got put back in the game and threw a TD pass and it won the Browns the game would you guys still be saying the samethings?? I highly doubt it very much...
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(I did read it. If you had comprehended mine properly you would realize that I acknowledged that you stated your opinion on the topic. I was merely stating there is no need for the extra jabs you are taking at people. Some folks call that trolling.)

More on the ruling....

[url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/09/leagues-explanation-of-hit-on-mccoy-doesnt-bode-well-for-harrison/"]http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/09/leagues-explanation-of-hit-on-mccoy-doesnt-bode-well-for-harrison/[/url]

[berad]

[quote name='Wallace17_OutRunMe' timestamp='1323481053' post='901390']
I love how you guys sit here and act like you are all so concerned about Colt McCoy getting a concussion on the Harrison hit and saying he shouldnt have been put back in the game. The only reason you guys care at all that he got put back into the game was because he ended up throwing an interception on 3rd and goal there from the 15 which pretty much ended any chance the Browns had of pulling off the upset. Was it stupid to put McCoy back in seeing he was concussed?? Absolutely but I dont believe for one second that any Ravens fan on here gives 2 [profanity deleted]s less about them putting McCoy back in the game because it was a danger to his health. You guys are just pissed off he blew the game for the Browns and they couldnt hand the Steelers that one more loss you guys are so desperately hoping for before the season ends. As for Harrison should he be fined?? Definitely it was a terrible hit and totally uncalled no doubt. I wouldnt have a problem either if they suspend him for 1 game as well. If he misses the 49ers game because of suspension so be it. I still think the Steelers can contain the mediocre 49ers offense enough to win the game whether Harrison plays or not. They have faced better offenses this season without Harrison in there and played pretty solid no reason to think they couldnt do the same against the Niners.
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LOL who is concerned about his health? Colt knew he wasn't good, it was his and the Browns' decision to go back into the game. I'm just saying when you have a player who has obviously suffered a concussion, he shouldn't be allowed to go in the game - he's going to hurt the team more than help i.e. what Colt McCoy did on Thursday night.

If he was concussed to the point that he can't remember the hit and the lights on a post-game presser bother him, imagine how he felt with pass-rushers barreling down on him, under the lights, on a opposing field, and with the primetime spotlight. Did the Browns think he could actually help their team?

My comment wasn't out of concern for McCoy's health, it was his decision to go back. It was meant to be a comment on the Browns [i]letting[/i] him go back and the doctors not doing their due diligence to help their team. But, now that you mention it, risking your health by playing with head trauma is pretty serious, too [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif[/img]

[H8R]

I'd say a large fine, equaling a game check

[marylandmike12]

ejected out of leauge and cut off the steelers without pay

[FerrariFan87]

He's a repeat offender who makes multiple millions of dollars a year... the fines aren't getting through to him. Goodell needs to suspend him for at least one game.

[redlobster]

No wonder he is having back/neck problems , with the way he tackles he is bound to do damage.

I would say a one game suspension also, he could clearly see that mccoy had let go of the ball before he committed to hitting him and instead hit him with the crown of his helmet directly in the middle of Mccoys face mask..

[lgcs27288]

If he gets the suspension, it wont be against the 49ers, unless they come down quick with it. Cause of course Harrison is going to appeal it.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Wallace17_OutRunMe' timestamp='1323481053' post='901390']
[b]I love how you guys sit here and act like you are all so concerned about Colt McCoy getting a concussion on the Harrison hit and saying he shouldnt have been put back in the game. The only reason you guys care at all that he got put back into the game was because he ended up throwing an interception on 3rd and goal there from the 15 which pretty much ended any chance the Browns had of pulling off the upset.[/b] Was it stupid to put McCoy back in seeing he was concussed?? Absolutely but I dont believe for one second that any Ravens fan on here gives 2 [profanity deleted]s less about them putting McCoy back in the game because it was a danger to his health. You guys are just pissed off he blew the game for the Browns and they couldnt hand the Steelers that one more loss you guys are so desperately hoping for before the season ends. As for Harrison should he be fined?? Definitely it was a terrible hit and totally uncalled no doubt. I wouldnt have a problem either if they suspend him for 1 game as well. If he misses the 49ers game because of suspension so be it. I still think the Steelers can contain the mediocre 49ers offense enough to win the game whether Harrison plays or not. They have faced better offenses this season without Harrison in there and played pretty solid no reason to think they couldnt do the same against the Niners.
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Really? That's just flat out ignorant. Maybe it's because we're humans. And we do care about the health of players. This entire post is just ignorant. These are the kind of things that make people hate Steelers fans. Stupid, ignorant stuff like this.

[Irish Raven]

[quote name='Wallace17_OutRunMe' timestamp='1323481053' post='901390']
I love how you guys sit here and act like you are all so concerned about Colt McCoy getting a concussion on the Harrison hit and saying he shouldnt have been put back in the game. The only reason you guys care at all that he got put back into the game was because he ended up throwing an interception on 3rd and goal there from the 15
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I don't care what team a player is on, if he's badly concussed he should not be out there.
ESPN radio reported McCoy doesn't remember the hit and lights had to be dimmed for the post game press conference.

That's just wrong, don't tell me we can't show concern


And look to your own players, the way things are going I'd fear Troy Polamaulu is going to have very serious issues after he retires.

[BloodRaven]

People hate the new rules but then we all sit here and wonder why football players are dying at 50, go watch a John Lynch highlight clip, it might look pretty at first before you realize you're watching lives being shortened. What's wrong with playing hard AND clean?

I'll say it again, all the class in Pittsburgh left with Cowher.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Wallace17_OutRunMe' timestamp='1323481053' post='901390']
I love how you guys sit here and act like you are all so concerned about Colt McCoy getting a concussion on the Harrison hit and saying he shouldnt have been put back in the game. The only reason you guys care at all that he got put back into the game was because he ended up throwing an interception on 3rd and goal there from the 15 which pretty much ended any chance the Browns had of pulling off the upset. Was it stupid to put McCoy back in seeing he was concussed?? Absolutely but I dont believe for one second that any Ravens fan on here gives 2 [profanity deleted]s less about them putting McCoy back in the game because it was a danger to his health. You guys are just pissed off he blew the game for the Browns and they couldnt hand the Steelers that one more loss you guys are so desperately hoping for before the season ends. As for Harrison should he be fined?? Definitely it was a terrible hit and totally uncalled no doubt. I wouldnt have a problem either if they suspend him for 1 game as well. If he misses the 49ers game because of suspension so be it. I still think the Steelers can contain the mediocre 49ers offense enough to win the game whether Harrison plays or not. They have faced better offenses this season without Harrison in there and played pretty solid no reason to think they couldnt do the same against the Niners.
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Dude, really?

You are talking about a football game. We are talking about how this could affect the man's ability to function in life in the future. Harrison launched and hit with the crown of his helmet. McCoy was not ducking so he can't put blame on there. While he may not have been able to avoid the hit, he certainly had time to hold up put his arms out to knock him down. He thought he had a free shot at their QB and he took it. That is intentional. He even says as much in his presser. "I thought he was a runner at that point.". Get the man a rulebook and he can't play again until he aces an exam.

[H8R]

[quote name='Wallace17_OutRunMe' timestamp='1323481053' post='901390']
I love how you guys sit here and act like you are all so concerned about Colt McCoy getting a concussion on the Harrison hit and saying he shouldnt have been put back in the game. The only reason you guys care at all that he got put back into the game was because he ended up throwing an interception on 3rd and goal there from the 15 which pretty much ended any chance the Browns had of pulling off the upset. Was it stupid to put McCoy back in seeing he was concussed?? Absolutely but I dont believe for one second that any Ravens fan on here gives 2 [profanity deleted]s less about them putting McCoy back in the game because it was a danger to his health. You guys are just pissed off he blew the game for the Browns and they couldnt hand the Steelers that one more loss you guys are so desperately hoping for before the season ends. As for Harrison should he be fined?? Definitely it was a terrible hit and totally uncalled no doubt. I wouldnt have a problem either if they suspend him for 1 game as well. If he misses the 49ers game because of suspension so be it. I still think the Steelers can contain the mediocre 49ers offense enough to win the game whether Harrison plays or not. They have faced better offenses this season without Harrison in there and played pretty solid no reason to think they couldnt do the same against the Niners.
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Troll on, Troll. Troll on.

[Clutch Ravens]

I'm fed up of Harrison and his dirty hits. If Suh can be suspended for 2 games for stamping, Harrison can be suspended 2 games for INTENTIONALLY trying to injure players. You can't tell me that lowering the crown of you're helmet in to the facemask of another player isn't trying to injure them.

I can't believe Harrison's so stupid that he can't even get a grasp of the rules. "I thought he was a runner" - Awesome, you still can't lead with the crown of you're helmet, moron. Also, he's still behind the line of scrimmage, can throw the ball and is still, therefore, a passer.

Harrison's an idiot and a thug. Suspend him for a minimum of 2 games and make an example out of him.