Week 5: Tennessee Titans At Baltimore Ravens

[ravensalways]

BUt I should say flacco is the best QB we have so we're going to stick with him.

[neepo13]

[quote name='M.E.S' post='72798' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:26 PM']yall dumb.. instead of some of the interceptions he could have thrown it away.. or run with the ball.. that's apart of decision making.. he has none[/quote]

Name calling is not neccessary and immature to boot.

[Ravens52]

[quote name='M.E.S' post='72798' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:26 PM']yall dumb.. instead of some of the interceptions he could have thrown it away.. or run with the ball.. that's apart of decision making.. he has none[/quote]

lololol, since when are opinions dumb? I don't want to play Troy Smith after he hasn't played or practiced in almost 2 months? I think THAT'S dumb.

[M.E.S]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='72794' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:25 PM']But you never addressed the point I made. You said the season is being wasted on the development of a QB, namely Flacco.

But you also just said Troy Smith is developing, as well.

So wouldn't it also be "wasting the season" if Smith is put under center? After all, didn't you just say he was developing? [/quote]
clearly in the mini camps and training camps the coaches...yes the coaches said smith really impressed them.. he improved from last year.. his development is far ahead of flaccos.. so you tell me.. wouldn't you want someone who's more in touch with the offense and his development

[ragnorok99]

My thoughts:

--At first I was pissed at the refs (natural reflex), but looking at the game as a whole, the Ravens lost to the Titans, not the refs.

--Special teams coverage was a weakness instead of a strength.

--I hope Flacco's next step involves him learning when to throw it away or head downfield. He won't learn that if Troy Smith replaces him, though. Flacco stays.

--The defense seemed to be inflexible, yeah, but I don't know how much blame they deserve for this loss...they gave up 13, not 30.

[M.E.S]

[quote name='Ravens52' post='72806' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:28 PM']lololol, since when are opinions dumb? I don't want to play Troy Smith after he hasn't played or practiced in almost 2 months? I think THAT'S dumb.[/quote]
troy has been back to practice. that's why he was suited up for the game today.. know what you are talking about

[Ravnet]

[quote name='M.E.S' post='72807' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:28 PM']clearly in the mini camps and training camps the coaches...yes the coaches said smith really impressed them.. he improved from last year.. his development is far ahead of flaccos.. so you tell me.. wouldn't you want someone who's more in touch with the offense and his development[/quote]

Did you even watch the preseason? Were you at training camp? He performed very poorly. You don't think that there is a reason he dropped to the fifth round and was expected to go lower? He was a product of his sytem at OSU, he has shown me absolutely NOTHING.

I would have been all for giving him a chance over Flacco at the start of the season, but at this point, I couldn't think of anything more detrimental to this team. Why don't you read my posts and address anything I've said or propose a new plan. You do know that Troy lost 30 pounds and before last week hadn't played football for months, right?

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='ravensalways' post='72797' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:26 PM']YOu give to much credit to flacco, How aout give some credit to mclain or the WR's, Not just flacco, He didn't drive down that field by himself did he?[/quote]

I was giving credit to Flacco in stating my case, but I wasn't taking any credit away from McClain or the receivers. It's not as if I said Flacco was the ONLY person responsible for that scoring drive.

[quote name='M.E.S' post='72798' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:26 PM']yall dumb.. instead of some of the interceptions he could have thrown it away.. or run with the ball.. that's apart of decision making.. he has none[/quote]

So...you want a QB that runs with the football like it's college? That risks injury? That would risk fumbling the football?

I'm sorry, but to me, decision-making is NOT scrambling and running an option-based offense. Decision-making is sitting back in the pocket, reading the field, and making a throw. Scrambling is ONLY an option in keeping a play alive BEFORE a throw, or going for a clear first down/TD if there is a clear running lane -- that's IT.

[neepo13]

[quote name='ragnorok99' post='72809' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:29 PM']My thoughts:

--At first I was pissed at the refs, but looking at the game as a whole, the Ravens lost to the Titans, not the refs.

--Special teams coverage was a weakness instead of a strength.

--I hope Flacco's next step involves him learning when to throw it away or head downfield. He won't learn that if Troy Smith replaces him, though. Flacco stays.

--The defense seemed to be inflexible, yeah, but I don't know how much blame they deserve for this loss...they gave up 13, not 30.[/quote]

I agree. Special teams is hurting us more then helping us now a days. We are not getting good coverage on kicks. We are not blocking well on returns. And Stover cant hit anything over 42 yards.

I disagree about the defense though. They gave up 2 scoring drives late. Thats not going to get it done.

[M.E.S]

[quote name='ragnorok99' post='72809' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:29 PM']My thoughts:

--At first I was pissed at the refs (natural reflex), but looking at the game as a whole, the Ravens lost to the Titans, not the refs.

--Special teams coverage was a weakness instead of a strength.

--I hope Flacco's next step involves him learning when to throw it away or head downfield. He won't learn that if Troy Smith replaces him, though. Flacco stays.

--The defense seemed to be inflexible, yeah, but I don't know how much blame they deserve for this loss...they gave up 13, not 30.[/quote]
yall kill me when yall say that.. he can learn if smith replaces him.. he learns from watching smith, watching game film and the coaches.. he is no different from any other rookie who has to learn from the sideline..

[Ravnet]

The reason Flacco suited up was because we needed a third quarterback. You have to be kidding me with the proposition of putting Smith in.

[M.E.S]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='72816' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:31 PM']I was giving credit to Flacco in stating my case, but I wasn't taking any credit away from McClain or the receivers. It's not as if I said Flacco was the ONLY person responsible for that scoring drive.



So...you want a QB that runs with the football like it's college? That risks injury? That would risk fumbling the football?

I'm sorry, but to me, decision-making is NOT scrambling and running an option-based offense. Decision-making is sitting back in the pocket, reading the field, and making a throw. Scrambling is ONLY an option in keeping a play alive BEFORE a throw, or going for a clear first down/TD if there is a clear running lane -- that's IT.[/quote]
it is only an option. and in that case it was the better option instead of forcing throws...lol.. do yall watch football.

[macbrak]

No one should be blameless in this game...

except you M.E.S. its you fault hater!!!

except for the D, the O, and especially the ST who dropped the ball...

[Ravnet]

Watching Smith do what? He can learn from watching Smith learn how to play in the NFL? Smith doesn't have a ceiling. I don't think you ever watched Troy Smith in college, last season, this preseason or in training camp.

At OSU he was clearly a product of the talent around him.

[neepo13]

[quote name='M.E.S' post='72820' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:32 PM']yall kill me when yall say that.. he can learn if smith replaces him.. he learns from watching smith, watching game film and the coaches.. he is no different from any other rookie who has to learn from the sideline..[/quote]

SMITH IS STILL A ROOKIE HIMSELF. What the hell can he teach Flacco that Flacco cant learn from being on the field? You make no sense, AT ALL.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='M.E.S' post='72807' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:28 PM']clearly in the mini camps and training camps the coaches...yes the coaches said smith really impressed them.. he improved from last year.. his development is far ahead of flaccos.. so you tell me.. wouldn't you want someone who's more in touch with the offense and his development[/quote]

This is a different offense from last season. You can't say Troy Smith is more in touch with the offense, when he's spent the same amount of time in it as Flacco.

Actually, with the viral infection and the time he's missed from practice until recently, his development is technically BEHIND Flacco's. And if you factor in the actual playing time he's getting, he's even further behind.

If you go back and you count the number of scoring drives that Smith has orchestrated in his four games vs. Flacco's four games, Flacco has led the team to more points on the board (that's counting drives resulting in field goals).

[ragnorok99]

[quote name='M.E.S' post='72820' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:32 PM']yall kill me when yall say that.. he can learn if smith replaces him.. he learns from watching smith, watching game film and the coaches.. he is no different from any other rookie who has to learn from the sideline..[/quote]

I think Flacco now has more NFL game experience than Smith, so not sure how much he could learn from Troy.

Plus, Troy and Flacco are different styles of quarterback.

And this is coming from a guy who was rooting hard for Troy Smith to win the starting job before the season.

[Ravens52]

I can't believe some Ravens fans are calling for Troy Smith already.... I thought they were smarter then this.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='M.E.S' post='72824' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:33 PM']it is only an option. and in that case it was the better option instead of forcing throws...lol.. do yall watch football.[/quote]

On those two (three, if you want) interceptions that Flacco threw, did you see any running lanes for him to scramble for a first down? 'Cause I certainly saw defenders in his path...

[M.E.S]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='72826' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:33 PM']Watching Smith do what? He can learn from watching Smith learn how to play in the NFL? Smith doesn't have a ceiling. I don't think you ever watched Troy Smith in college, last season, this preseason or in training camp.

At OSU he was clearly a product of the talent around him.[/quote]
do yall read before you type.. he said how can he learn if smith replaces him.. ummm if smith replaces him.. then he would learn from watching him play... wooooooooooooooooooowwww.. are yall fans of football.. seriously..

[neepo13]

[quote name='Ravens52' post='72838' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:36 PM']I can't believe some Ravens fans are calling for Troy Smith already.... I thought they were smarter then this.[/quote]

Whats the saying the backup always the most popular guy in town. I believe thats the case here.

[M.E.S]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='72839' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:36 PM']On those two (three, if you want) interceptions that Flacco threw, did you see any running lanes for him to scramble for a first down? 'Cause I certainly saw defenders in his path...[/quote]
actually there was.. the interceptions were thrown deep into down field into coverage.. he could have ran.. if you saw the play.. he scrambled to the right everytime all he had to do is turn up field. but he was looking.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='M.E.S' post='72840' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:37 PM']do yall read before you type.. he said how can he learn if smith replaces him.. ummm if smith replaces him.. then he would learn from watching him play... wooooooooooooooooooowwww.. are yall fans of football.. seriously..[/quote]

Learn WHAT from watching him play?

Like neepo pointed out, Troy Smith is basically a rookie himself since this is only his second year in the league, and he's spent the exact same amount of time learning this offense as Flacco (but technically less, because of the time he's missed).

A rookie watching someone who's basically a rookie himself? That's like a lemming following another lemming over a cliff...

[M.E.S]

[quote name='neepo13' post='72842' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:37 PM']Whats the saying the backup always the most popular guy in town. I believe thats the case here.[/quote]
ummm i have been calling for smith since day one.. i am not a bandwagon rider like most of you are with flacco

[M.E.S]

[quote name='macbrak' post='72825' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:33 PM']No one should be blameless in this game...

except you M.E.S. its you fault hater!!!

except for the D, the O, and especially the ST who dropped the ball...[/quote]
not a hater i am just looking at the reality.. but yall keep living in lala land.. when yall joe let's yall down.. i'll be back to say i told you so

[neepo13]

[quote name='M.E.S' post='72844' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:38 PM']actually there was.. the interceptions were thrown deep into down field into coverage.. he could have ran.. if you saw the play.. he scrambled to the right everytime all he had to do is turn up field. but he was looking.[/quote]

Oh, you mean the one at the end of the game where we were trying to get points? Yeah, it makes so much sense to run the ball there and take more time off the clock when you need EIGHTY YARDS to score.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='M.E.S' post='72844' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:38 PM']actually there was.. the interceptions were thrown deep into down field into coverage.. he could have ran.. if you saw the play.. he scrambled to the right everytime all he had to do is turn up field. but he was looking.[/quote]

The first near-INT to Titans LB David Thornton, he obviously couldn't have ran upfield if Thornton was in front of him to make the pick.

The first REAL INT, there was Keith Bulluck in front of him.

The second, game-sealing INT, the pocket had collapsed pretty badly around him.

[Ravnet]

I don't mean to make insinuations, but I don't think you know what the development of a quarterback in the national football league entails. Can you name on example of two young quarterbacks competing being productive?

Do you know how to track a quarterbacks progression? You do know that Troy Aikman started off 1-15 and Peyton Manning 3-13? The only time a rookie learns by sitting on the sidelines is when a veteran quarterback is in the game. Carson Palmer ---> John Kitna. Tony Romo, Brett Favre and others started off on the bench, but not behind another rookie.

What specifically encourages you regarding Troy Smith. I was at both preseason games, multiple training camps and even an OSU game.

[foreversunny23]

wow two losses and people are talking about troy smith starting again. is he healthy enough yet?

too be honest, there is no reason to think that Troy Smith will do any better than Flacco. to think that our offense would suddenly blossom under Cam Cameron is wishful thinking. it's a work in progress...

[M.E.S]

[quote name='neepo13' post='72855' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:41 PM']Oh, you mean the one at the end of the game where we were trying to get points? Yeah, it makes so much sense to run the ball there and take more time off the clock when you need EIGHTY YARDS to score.[/quote]
whatever before that.. hey. i'm not saying anymore.. yall will see.. trust me.. joe is not that good.. but hey.. let him prove me right