Week 5: Tennessee Titans At Baltimore Ravens

[Ravnet]

You can spin this any which way. The defense doesn't give up a drive last week and Flacco looked good. The defense doesn't surrender the game losing plays this week and he is proving to be a successful developing quarterback.

The blame can be put on:

-Special Teams
-Rex Ryan
-John Harbaugh
-Joe Flacco

[neepo13]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='72752' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:12 PM']Just stop with the ref bull. Did any of you see our first drive and our only touchdown drive? The Titans basically gave us ten points. By rule you're probably not allowed to touch a quarterbacks helmet, stupid call/rule, but it doesn't change the fact that Rex still rushes 8 guys who are being picked up.[/quote]

And our defense apparently cant tackle.

[slugz]

when in doubt troy smith it out

[ragnorok99]

Over the past two weeks, this team has played the best team in its division (Steelers) and what some feel is the best team in the AFC (Titans) and lost by a total of 6 points.

Tough loss, but the season isn't over yet.

[theFRANCHISE]

Yes, the loss hurts, but it's a non-divisional game for one, so in spite of this being a conference game, it doesn't hurt as much as losing to Pittsburgh/Cleveland/Cincinnati.

Two, the game was very winnable, but as Ravnet pointed out, blame can go all around, so it's not nearly as bad as one side of the ball hurting more than the other side of the ball.

Three, there were still a lot of positives to take away from this game, particularly for the first three quarters. When the offense was clicking, it was firing on all cylinders and was an improvement over Monday's (still decent) showing.

Four, the fact that the Titans almost beat themselves with all the penalties was an exact mirror of the Ravens' woes of the past -- perfect to learn from. The fact that the Ravens ended up doing virtually the same (minus the team dissension) in the very same game and LOST, makes it easier for Coach Harbaugh to hammer his points home about discipline when reviewing tape of this game.

Five, the upcoming slate of games are still very winnable. Looking to next week's game, Houston gave Indianapolis a scare today, and that was with their backup as their starting QB; it's not as if it's out of the realm of possibility for the Ravens to do the same with Flacco under center, so long as he LEARNS from this game.

And at the end of the day, there's no shame in losing to an unbeaten team. Lame excuse? Probably. But it's certainly better than losing to the 2007 Dolphins.

[Ravens52]

[quote name='saved72907' post='72757' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:13 PM']Because of the refs. Why can't you see that we in reality DID put the game away?[/quote]

omg, some of you Ravens fans are becoming so obsessed with the refs being against us and all the stupid conspiracy stories against us. GET OVER IT

We could have scored the drive before and put the game away. We could have stopped there short passes. We could have stopped in the redzone. We could have drove for a FG with 1:56 and 2 timeouts left then taken chances in overtime. Our team [u]STINKS[/u] in the 2nd half.

[neepo13]

[quote name='saved72907' post='72757' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:13 PM']Because of the refs. Why can't you see that we in reality DID put the game away?[/quote]

Well, why did the Titans end up with a TD? We had several chances after that penalty to stop them, in their territory but did we do it? NO!

[ragnorok99]

[ignore this post]

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='M.E.S' post='72746' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:09 PM']point is flacco isn't ready.. i have been saying this since day one.. he has had luck.. but that doesn't last that long as you can see. we gon waste another season.. on a developing qb.. *sighs*[/quote]

What, like Troy Smith isn't a developing QB in his own right? Like Todd Bouman is going to win this team more games? Like Kyle Boller on IR is any better?

[quote name='saved72907' post='72757' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:13 PM']Because of the refs. Why can't you see that we in reality DID put the game away?[/quote]

The refs gave the Ravens A LOT of breaks today -- you can't deny that, especially with all the penalties that the Titans had at one point.

[quote name='neepo13' post='72759' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:14 PM']Why so much doom and gloom? My goodness. Before the season oh its going to be a long year. After we win 2 in the row its oh we are going atleast 10-6. Now we lose 2 and its we are going 5-11. Stop this crap. What happens if we beat the Colts next week? Are we going 10-6 again?[/quote]

Agreed. Couldn't have said it better -- there's still 12 games left to play, and it's not as if the team was blown out or has been blown out thus far.

[quote name='slugz' post='72764' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:15 PM']when in doubt troy smith it out[/quote]

In a word: NO.

[Ravens52]

[quote name='neepo13' post='72769' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:16 PM']Well, why did the Titans end up with a TD? We had several chances after that penalty to stop them, in their territory but did we do it? NO![/quote]

Seriously.


Some of you guys can't take the fact that we got beat by the Titans and NOT the refs.

[macbrak]

Harbs need to kick some arse on all the blown opportunities...

Edit: The ravens lost this game on all fronts: coaching defense, offense and especially special teams...

[neepo13]

Good teams play 4 quarter in overcome adversity. The Titans did that, the Ravens did not.

[Ravens52]

Oh well, 12 more games to play. We may have lost only by 3 to the AFC's best team.

If Steelers lose today to the Jaguars then this lose won't hurt us as bad in the Standings.

[z_keeper]

[quote name='Ravens52' post='72773' date='Oct 5 2008, 03:18 PM']Seriously.


Some of you guys can't take the fact that we got beat by the Titans and NOT the refs.[/quote]


Truly the voice of reason amidst a sea of excuses and whining...

Your defense played a tough hard fought game right up to the end.

You should be proud of that and move forward.

Face it, the Team that you lost to today is hot and talented.

[M.E.S]

[quote name='Ravens52' post='72750' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:11 PM']He played 2 of the NFL's best defenses the past 2 weeks. Stop jumping to conclusions...[/quote]
it seems as if everyone else has seen it now except you... if you read what you wrote. then you made my point for me.. he is not ready.. yall got pumped when he beat two sorry teams.. but now he's played against teams that are good and he proved he isn't ready... when he has to make decisions he make bad one's that cost us the game.. ummmm holding the ball to long causing fumbles or throwing three picks(yes that one was a pick) doing the same exact roll out when he should have just thrown the ball away

[neepo13]

[quote name='macbrak' post='72774' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:19 PM']Harbs need to kick some arse on all the blown opportunities...[/quote]

Yeah, so I guess it was Harbaugh who missed a field goal before the half. It was him that left Crumple uncovered in the endzone. It was him that couldnt tackle. Hell he probably through that pick at the end of the game to right? Get out of here. He has to put these guys in position to make plays he did that. Its up to the players to execute.

[ragnorok99]

[quote name='Ravens52' post='72778' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:20 PM']Oh well, 12 more games to play. We may have lost only by 3 to the AFC's best team.

If Steelers lose today to the Jaguars then this lose won't hurt us as bad in the Standings.[/quote]

Yeah, it always lessens the sting to root against the Steelers.

[Ravnet]

You can pin this on anyone

-Rex Ryan is unable to adjust when his blitzers can't reach the passer. Because of his playcalling, the Ravens gave up big plays

-Joe Flacco does not make good reads, he needs to scan the entire field before he makes a throw. Because of his ignorance, our team gave up costly interceptions.

-John Harbaugh is unable to motivate this team. He can't have his team satisfied with playing three quarters, he needs to instill in them that to be a good team they cannot give up in the fourth quarter. Additionally, there are no excuses for him not having the special teams unit in check.

-Matt Stover is too old. Not only is he inept outside of 42 yards, but he allows big plays off of every kickoff.

-Cam Cameron doesn't know how to call a game. Instead of putting his foot down on the Titans, he is content with running the ball out, resulting in no points the majority of the time.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='M.E.S' post='72780' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:21 PM']it seems as if everyone else has seen it now except you... if you read what you wrote. then you made my point for me.. he is not ready.. yall got pumped when he beat two sorry teams.. but now he's played against teams that are good and he proved he isn't ready... when he has to make decisions he make bad one's that cost us the game.. ummmm holding the ball to long causing fumbles or throwing three picks(yes that one was a pick) doing the same exact roll out when he should have just thrown the ball away[/quote]

Flacco DID NOT cost the Ravens the game against the Steelers. How can you say that fumble TD was what lost the game, when Flacco drove the team down the field on the following possession for the game-tying TD?

By definition, losing the game would mean giving up the game-winning score -- which Flacco DID NOT do.

[M.E.S]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='72772' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:18 PM']What, like Troy Smith isn't a developing QB in his own right? Like Todd Bouman is going to win this team more games? Like Kyle Boller on IR is any better?



The refs gave the Ravens A LOT of breaks today -- you can't deny that, especially with all the penalties that the Titans had at one point.



Agreed. Couldn't have said it better -- there's still 12 games left to play, and it's not as if the team was blown out or has been blown out thus far.



In a word: NO.[/quote]


for one smith shows he makes good decisions .. even if he runs with the ball. it's smarter then forcing a ball into tripple or double coverage.. seriously.. troy is developing but he decision making abilities are way better then boller and flaccos..

[neepo13]

[quote name='M.E.S' post='72780' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:21 PM']it seems as if everyone else has seen it now except you... if you read what you wrote. then you made my point for me.. he is not ready.. yall got pumped when he beat two sorry teams.. but now he's played against teams that are good and he proved he isn't ready... when he has to make decisions he make bad one's that cost us the game.. ummmm holding the ball to long causing fumbles or throwing three picks(yes that one was a pick) doing the same exact roll out when he should have just thrown the ball away[/quote]

What QB on our roster could have done a better job? Let me guess, Troy Smith. Thats funny. Flacco plays well enough to win, not every defense we face is as good at Tennesse or Pittsburgh. Infact 3 of or next 4 are significantly worse.

[Ravnet]

[quote name='M.E.S' post='72780' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:21 PM']it seems as if everyone else has seen it now except you... if you read what you wrote. then you made my point for me.. he is not ready.. yall got pumped when he beat two sorry teams.. but now he's played against teams that are good and he proved he isn't ready... when he has to make decisions he make bad one's that cost us the game.. ummmm holding the ball to long causing fumbles or throwing three picks(yes that one was a pick) doing the same exact roll out when he should have just thrown the ball away[/quote]

Sure, he's not ready. Please, dear God, tell me who you want in the game. Specifically tell me who you think would've won us that game. Name any man on the face of the earth who the Ravens could bring in right now, it seems to me like we've tried everything as I have already outlined.

[M.E.S]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='72786' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:23 PM']Flacco DID NOT cost the Ravens the game against the Steelers. How can you say that fumble TD was what lost the game, when Flacco drove the team down the field on the following possession for the game-tying TD?

By definition, losing the game would mean giving up the game-winning score -- which Flacco DID NOT do.[/quote]
umm that touchdown is what gave them the lead.. and he wasn't protecting the ball.. he holds it to long.. everyone knows that is a weakness of his.. the coaches even say that.. he did it twice. but the ravens recovered one.. that fumble was the second score in 15 seconds which give the the lead.. did you watch the same game

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='M.E.S' post='72787' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:23 PM']for one smith shows he makes good decisions .. even if he runs with the ball. it's smarter then forcing a ball into tripple or double coverage.. seriously.. troy is developing but he decision making abilities are way better then boller and flaccos..[/quote]

But you never addressed the point I made. You said the season is being wasted on the development of a QB, namely Flacco.

But you also just said Troy Smith is developing, as well.

So wouldn't it also be "wasting the season" if Smith is put under center? After all, didn't you just say he was developing?

[neepo13]

[quote name='Ravnet' post='72785' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:22 PM']You can pin this on anyone

-Rex Ryan is unable to adjust when his blitzers can't reach the passer. Because of his playcalling, the Ravens gave up big plays

-Joe Flacco does not make good reads, he needs to scan the entire field before he makes a throw. Because of his ignorance, our team gave up costly interceptions.

-John Harbaugh is unable to motivate this team. He can't have his team satisfied with playing three quarters, he needs to instill in them that to be a good team they cannot give up in the fourth quarter. Additionally, there are no excuses for him not having the special teams unit in check.

-Matt Stover is too old. Not only is he inept outside of 42 yards, but he allows big plays off of every kickoff.

-[b]Cam Cameron doesn't know how to call a game. Instead of putting his foot down on the Titans, he is content with running the ball out, resulting in no points the majority of the time.[/b][/quote]

Its funny how last week when Cam tried to do that with the Steelers people critized him for that to. Its damned if you do or damned if you dont, I guess.

[Ravens52]

[quote name='M.E.S' post='72780' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:21 PM']it seems as if everyone else has seen it now except you... if you read what you wrote. then you made my point for me.. he is not ready.. yall got pumped when he beat two sorry teams.. but now he's played against teams that are good and he proved he isn't ready... when he has to make decisions he make bad one's that cost us the game.. ummmm holding the ball to long causing fumbles or throwing three picks(yes that one was a pick) doing the same exact roll out when he should have just thrown the ball away[/quote]

Alright ok, let's put in Troy Smith who hasn't practiced in months. That should put us in a better position too win right?

Flacco DID NOT cost us the game.

[ravensalways]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' post='72786' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:23 PM']Flacco DID NOT cost the Ravens the game against the Steelers. How can you say that fumble TD was what lost the game, when Flacco drove the team down the field on the following possession for the game-tying TD?

By definition, losing the game would mean giving up the game-winning score -- which Flacco DID NOT do.[/quote]
YOu give to much credit to flacco, How aout give some credit to mclain or the WR's, Not just flacco, He didn't drive down that field by himself did he?

[M.E.S]

yall dumb.. instead of some of the interceptions he could have thrown it away.. or run with the ball.. that's apart of decision making.. he has none

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='M.E.S' post='72792' date='Oct 5 2008, 04:25 PM']umm that touchdown is what gave them the lead.. and he wasn't protecting the ball.. he holds it to long.. everyone knows that is a weakness of his.. the coaches even say that.. he did it twice. but the ravens recovered one.. that fumble was the second score in 15 seconds which give the the lead.. did you watch the same game[/quote]

But that TD didn't LOSE the game for the Ravens, if Flacco took the team downfield for a game-tying TD on the following drive.

The game went to OT. The game was won by the Steelers with a FG -- the game-winning score was NOT on Flacco's fumble.

[Ravnet]

So to ameliorate the problem of inexperience, you want to substitute in Troy Smith. That sounds promising.

Earlier you hinted at the fact that we have too many development projects, what about Steve McNair? How did that turn out?

And finally, you pointed out that Matt Ryan is having no trouble throwing touchdown passes, so should we have drafted him or what? How do you propose we should have gone about that, trading a major part of our defense to move up? Cameron apparently liked Flacco more, that wasn't going to happen.

Propose a specific plan, please.