Who Thinks It's Time To Give D. Reed Another Chance?

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1322994802' post='893518']
Yeah...that's not likely.

Sure, he could be a beast returner for another team, but I highly doubt he'd be the next Cris Carter or Wes Welker for another team at WR.[/quote]

Why isn't it likely? We have no idea how he looks like playing the WR position. Get him to a team with a great OC and you never know.

[RAYvenFan20]

if we have a big lead near the end of the game, feel free to give him another shot

[T3hRaven]

David Reed should have been cut from the team after he lost us that Seattle game. He doesn't deserve a third/fourth chance, or whatever he's on, he doesn't even deserve a roster spot.

[BenDufusberger]

Those who think Webb shouldn't be returning punts because he might get injured probably have counterparts in Pitt who feel the same way about Antonio Brown , one of the Steelers' top receivers. Brown just showed why he's in there , returning a punt for a TD. Webb has shown he can do the same , and that's why he will remain our PR.

Webb can get injured as easily returning an interception as he can returning a punt , but we don't suggest he take a knee when he makes a pick. We have to use Webb if he's the best man for the job.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1323009929' post='893585']


Little to lose? Seriously? Lets be honest here. The chances of the Steelers losing another game are pretty slim. They beat the teams they are supposed to beat and that is all that is left on their schedule. So if we lose just one more game then we lose the division, which means no home field, which would probably tke us out of SB contention. Thats a lot to lose.
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Then it's up to the team to bail themselves out when they turn it over in their own territory. If we have a big lead against a bad team like CLE or IND, we can afford to chance it. If we can't bail ourselves out, we have other problems then just kick returner.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1323028766' post='893772']
Then it's up to the team to bail themselves out when they turn it over in their own territory. If we have a big lead against a bad team like CLE or IND, we can afford to chance it. If we can't bail ourselves out, we have other problems then just kick returner.
[/quote]

Great point. What I'm failing to realize is how so many fans are blaming the loss to the Seahawks soley on David Reed. If I'm not mistaken, our defense couldn't even stop Tavaris Jackon and let Lynch post 100+ yards.. but let's not even talk about that. Let's talk about how Reed let go of the ball, even though it was the defenses' job to prevent them from getting a score.

[Free Agent]

I say we should let him have a shot against the Colts. We should be able to get a big lead in that game, so it would be a risk-free move.

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1322949537' post='893216']
Who here thinks its time to give David Reed another chance to return kicks.

I for one think he is ready and i really doubt he would have the same fluke fumbling that we all saw in the Seattle game. After weeks have passed , so has my outrage of him having fumblitis.

We all have to remember that he did lead the league in kick returns last season and i feel he deserves atleast one more chance.

I highly doubt we would see the same out come of the Seahawk game.

You cant deny the man is fast, i mean really fast. I like how he runs (north and south)
I personally think the 2 fumbles were just flukes. And if he were to fumble again, then i say take him off of kick returning.

And honestly i dont want Webb getting hurt, pretty stupid to have you best Corner to get hurt returning kicks. That would make me lose my mind.
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I'm still trying to figure out what the guy did that had/has anyone optimistic. Everyone was saying he should have been the breakout young receiver this year. I saw more from Tandon Doss than I ever saw from David Reed. And Reed was already with the team before this season.

I'm still trying to figure out how he's able to hang on to a roster spot, when we're dropping linebackers and depth at other positions every other week. Instead of dropping the same guy over and over, and picking him back up.... then dropping him again.... why not just drop David Reed?

[Militant X 1]

naw! unfortunately, this young buck is not ready.

~Mili

[CHRISSY G69]

No.....Lardaruis

[PeRK82]

[quote name='CHRISSY G69' timestamp='1323046340' post='895508']
No.....Lardaruis
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Of Course you would say that now, That punt return was a work of beauty.

I still feel uncomfortable with him return kick, simply because i feel he is way too valuable honestly. Webb is one of my favorite DB on this team.

[CHRISSY G69]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1323048381' post='895626']


Of Course you would say that now, That punt return was a work of beauty.

I still feel uncomfortable with him return kick, simply because i feel he is way too valuable honestly. Webb is one of my favorite DB on this team.
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I love Lardarius as a returner punt and Kickoff

[The Raven]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1323023257' post='893718']
Why isn't it likely? We have no idea how he looks like playing the WR position. Get him to a team with a great OC and you never know.
[/quote]

Because it just isn't likely. It's very unlikely he comes close to Welker's talent. Not really a knock on Reed, just props to Welker. If it was likely that he got that good, than it would be likely that any WR could be that good. But, not every WR is as good as Welker, therefore it is highly unlikely.

Also, we don't know how he looks playing WR because he's on the bench. Because we have other WRs far better than him.

[cursona pirate]

[quote name='CHRISSY G69' timestamp='1323050267' post='895744']
I love Lardarius as a returner punt and Kickoff
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im always worried he will get injured during kickoffs and punts. Webb isint a huge guy... well neither is Reed... but i dont want to risk injury to Webb. Also i think Reed is pretty good except for that one seattle game.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1323050730' post='895762']

Because it just isn't likely. It's very unlikely he comes close to Welker's talent. Not really a knock on Reed, just props to Welker. If it was likely that he got that good, than it would be likely that any WR could be that good. But, not every WR is as good as Welker, therefore it is highly unlikely.

Also, we don't know how he looks playing WR because he's on the bench. Because we have other WRs far better than him.[/quote]

Nobody said he's similar to Welker, and nobody can say it isn't "likely" because none of us know how hard he truly works and the potential that he has. Baltimore isn't exactly the place where WR's thrive. Get him on the Packers, Saints or Patriots and we'll see.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1323052451' post='895829']
Nobody said he's similar to Welker, and nobody can say it isn't "likely" because none of us know how hard he truly works and the potential that he has. Baltimore isn't exactly the place where WR's thrive. Get him on the Packers, Saints or Patriots and we'll see.
[/quote]

None of us do know, but we do know that an UDFA WR is higher on the depth chart and has more catches than Reed has targets.

The coaches do know what they have, and they seem to not think so highly.

[jaege]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1323028766' post='893772']
Then it's up to the team to bail themselves out when they turn it over in their own territory. If we have a big lead against a bad team like CLE or IND, we can afford to chance it. If we can't bail ourselves out, we have other problems then just kick returner.
[/quote]

Your point is insignificant to my post. You said there was little to lose, I indicated what there was, in fact, a lot to lose. That is it.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1323052645' post='895842']

None of us do know, but we do know that an UDFA WR is higher on the depth chart and has more catches than Reed has targets.

The coaches do know what they have, and they seem to not think so highly.[/quote]

Well these coaches aren't exactly guru's with offenses, so I don't know what to tell you.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1323052778' post='895851']

Your point is insignificant to my post. You said there was little to lose, I indicated what there was, in fact, a lot to lose. That is it.
[/quote]
And I'm saying right now that no, if we do it right, there is not a lot to lose, and either way you look at it, it's a team game.

[jaege]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1323029488' post='893786']

Great point. What I'm failing to realize is how so many fans are blaming the loss to the Seahawks soley on David Reed. If I'm not mistaken, our defense couldn't even stop Tavaris Jackon and let Lynch post 100+ yards.. but let's not even talk about that. Let's talk about how Reed let go of the ball, even though it was the defenses' job to prevent them from getting a score.
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Well, lets see. Reed hand delivered the ball to the Seahawks well within field goal range, twice. They won by 5 points. Two field goals are 6 points. All other things being equal, Reed gave the Seahawks the 6 points they needed to win. Simple math. The offense played as they played. The defense played as they played. Both poorly, admittedly. Still, but for those two bone headed plays by Reed, we win. Again simple math.

[The Raven]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1323052907' post='895858']
Well these coaches aren't exactly guru's with offenses, so I don't know what to tell you.
[/quote]

You don't have to be a "guru" to recognize talent.

[jaege]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1323052944' post='895860']
And I'm saying right now that no, if we do it right, there is not a lot to lose, and either way you look at it, it's a team game.
[/quote]


I agree, if we do it right we win. [u][b]Right[/b][/u] means not letting players that cause repeated, game changing, foolish mistakes to continue to make those mistakes. You do not "give a chance" to someone just to let them play. You play to win, by using your proven winning players.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1323053044' post='895865']

You don't have to be a "guru" to recognize talent.[/quote]

In that case, I could be the OC. I'd switch Lee and Reed in the slots, with Q, Q2 and Torrey on the outside, and letting Doss prove himself in practice.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1323053011' post='895864']


Well, lets see. Reed hand delivered the ball to the Seahawks well within field goal range, twice. They won by 5 points. Two field goals are 6 points. All other things being equal, Reed gave the Seahawks the 6 points they needed to win. Simple math. The offense played as they played. The defense played as they played. Both poorly, admittedly. Still, but for those two bone headed plays by Reed, we win. Again simple math.
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Couple of missed FGs by Cundiff that would've given us 6 more points, an unfortunate interception that gave Seattle 3 more and for all we know may have taken points off the board for ourselves, a defense that couldn't stop Lynch on their second drive of the game nor the last a couple of misthrows and drops and a defense that forced count 'em, zero turnovers.

No matter how you draw it up, one person NEVER costs the team by himself.....simply impossible if you look at all factors and call it fairly.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1323053011' post='895864']


Well, lets see. Reed hand delivered the ball to the Seahawks well within field goal range, twice. They won by 5 points. Two field goals are 6 points. All other things being equal, Reed gave the Seahawks the 6 points they needed to win. Simple math. The offense played as they played. The defense played as they played. Both poorly, admittedly. Still, but for those two bone headed plays by Reed, we win. Again simple math.[/quote]

We win if Reed doesn't fumble? You even said that our offense played terrible. Nobody knows what could have happened. Flacco could have thrown a pick 6 to seal the deal, but it would still be Reed's fault.

[jaege]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1323045469' post='895473']
I'm still trying to figure out what the guy did that had/has anyone optimistic. Everyone was saying he should have been the breakout young receiver this year. I saw more from Tandon Doss than I ever saw from David Reed. And Reed was already with the team before this season.

I'm still trying to figure out how he's able to hang on to a roster spot, when we're dropping linebackers and depth at other positions every other week. Instead of dropping the same guy over and over, and picking him back up.... then dropping him again.... why not just drop David Reed?
[/quote]


This is my position exactly. What has he done lately? I do not care about his college stats or what he did last season, or any of that man-crush crappola. What has he done to make us win, THIS season? Nothing. He is good filler for the special teams, since we do not care if he gets taken out on IR. Besides that ...what?

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1323053171' post='895870']


[u][b]I agree, if we do it right we win. Right[/b][/u] means not letting players that cause repeated, game changing, foolish mistakes to continue to make those mistakes. You do not "give a chance" to someone just to let them play. [b]You play to win, by using your proven winning players.[/b]
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You can say that [i]my[/i] points fulfill those objectives as well since Reed had a great TD vs. Houston last year and led the league in return average last year as well.

[scrock]

David is a talented player and I'd still like to see him develop in the offense but it never seems to happen

Having Cam as OC he gets so complacent imo that he doesnt really use all our weapons to their best potential...

David Reed will probably get another chance at some point, he just better hold on to the football when that time comes

[jaege]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1323053420' post='895878']

We win if Reed doesn't fumble? You even said that our offense played terrible. Nobody knows what could have happened. Flacco could have thrown a pick 6 to seal the deal, but it would still be Reed's fault.
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Certainly, we cannot know for certain, but we did lose by 5 points and Reed did give them an easy 6. That cannot be glossed over. That is a fact. Had Reed not been the return guy might we still have lost? Sure. But it would not have been by that 6 points. That is certain.

[jaege]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1323053533' post='895883']
You can say that [i]my[/i] points fulfill those objectives as well since Reed had a great TD vs. Houston last year and led the league in return average last year as well.
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Last season Manning was a beast, and this season, he is a bench warmer. Last season means nothing when playing this season. What has he done THIS season? This season.