Flacco's 1st Pro Bowl?

[jdynamite]

Not Gonna happen this year he would at least have to reach 20 TDs so that his stats look reasonable, not throwing a TD vs Browns didn't help his cause... But I'd Rather see him in the Super Bowl than the Pro Bowl anyway...........

[Ravenslifer]

I am telling you guys, Cam Cameron's gameplan will always doom Flacco as far as numbers are concerned. This is the reality of Cam's vision - lots of deep passes, and I still can't believe he keeps calling up screens to Vonte Leech. Low percentage passing plays - when they are complete they look great, but a lot of times they're not. Why is it that the normally sure-handed Boldin and Evans keep dropping passes, when neither has ever been known for drops in their careers? Dan Fouts' career completion percentage was 59. Troy Aikman's was 61. Joe Theismann's was 56. Doug Williams didn't even reach 50 percent for his career. Philip Rivers's is 63, but this year without his receivers he's just completing 61 percent of his passes, and is on pace to throw more interceptions than he had in the previous 2 years combined. And if you watch a lot of Rivers' completions in the past, there were a ton of badly overthrown wobbly balls that V-Jax, Gates, and Floyd caught because they're all 6'5". Why is it that when Cam couldn't run the offense to his vision and had to settle for lots of short and intermediate routes, Joe completed 62 percent of his passes, and now all of a sudden he can't cross the 60 percent mark?

[RavensAllTheWay]

Why is it that when Joe has a stretch of games with 300 plus yards, people say he doesn't have to be that high number, high profile player for the Ravens, but when he has sub 200 yard games against some of the best defenses in football, he gets hammered for not putting up bigger numbers? This is why I hate the pro bowl and haven't watched it in a couple of years. I'm still going to vote my [profanity deleted] off of course, but this is whats wrong with the pro bowl. It's all stats.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1323050208' post='895737']
Why is it that when Joe has a stretch of games with 300 plus yards, people say he doesn't have to be that high number, high profile player for the Ravens, but when he has sub 200 yard games against some of the best defenses in football, he gets hammered for not putting up bigger numbers? This is why I hate the pro bowl and haven't watched it in a couple of years. I'm still going to vote my [profanity deleted] off of course, but this is whats wrong with the pro bowl. It's all stats.
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I don't know who's hammering him. In my opinion his best 4 games of the year were the first Pittsburgh game, St. Louis, Cinci and San Francisco. 9 TDs to 1 pick in those 4 games, had a rating of 100 or better in all of them. The only one where he went for over 300 yards was St. Louis (ironically his highest passing total of the season). But the first Pittsburgh game he flat out embarrassed the #1 overall defense and the #2 passing defense in the league (and he managed to ring 300 on them in the second meeting - they've given up 2100 passing yards all season, and Joe had 525 of those yards). The only team in the top 8 total defenses in the league (by YPG) he didn't play was obviously our own Ravens. He went 6-1 against them, and Cam didn't help him out by giving Rice 8 carries in the Jags' game. Who cares about the pro-bowl? Tom Brady made 1 probowl in his first 3 seasons as a starter, and Brett Favre had 2 different 3-year stretches where he didn't make a pro bowl. We're talking about 2 top 10 quarterbacks of all time here. If people want stats, Matt Schaub is usually good for about 4000 yards and 25 TDs a year. Oh, and 0 playoff wins. I don't think Houston has ever been to the playoffs - though ironically they've got their best shot ever to make it a year where Shaub will miss almost half the season.

[balimore]

The power of the Fu man chu shall get flacco to the pro bowl.

[cursona pirate]

Tebow will go if he keeps winning. Id rather have Flacco go to the super bowl!

[SideStep77]

Updated with this...no he wont because it will be Brady, Burger, and Tebow...the favorites.

[hawkprey]

Just did the math, Joe's 55.3 completion percentage seems bad right? Well apparently the teams we've played are only giving up an average of 58% completion. Factor in the high amount of drops and he's right there in %-age.

[Ravenseconbeast]

http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/player/_/stat/passing/sort/quarterbackRating

Just look at his ranking in all statistical category. Even Mark Sanchez(bat s#%^ terrible) puts him in shame by beating in every statistical category. He is listed as 21st ranked as below average. Not going to happen.

[Mr. GM]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1322785343' post='892102']
My goodness, Joe Flacco is not even in the TOP 4 of Pro Bowl Votes in which has become a very depleted AFC. According to PFT, the Top 4 Quarterbacks in the AFC in Fan Voting, Tom Brady, Ben, Ryan Fitzpatrick and...... Tim Tebow!

Ryan Fitzpatrick has fallen off from the performances has was putting up earlier in the season, Brady and Ben are well Brady and Ben, and Tebow?? I believe in Tebow but he shouldn't be going to the Pro Bowl, especially over Flacco. That wasn't even a homer statement, that's the actual truth.

[url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/01/tim-tebow-fourth-in-fan-voting-among-afc-quarterbacks/"]http://profootballta...c-quarterbacks/[/url]
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Flacco will never make the Pro Bowl as long as he is being coached to be a "Game Manager." With Cam Cameron run-run-pass formula Flacco will never be able to put up the touchdown numbers that are required so to speak to get enough votes. Brady 30 TD, Ben 19, Fitzpatrick 19, heck even Tim Tebow has the 10 TD - 1INT ratio in his favor. Flacco 13 TD, 8 INT are Trent Dilfer type of stats, not Pro Bowl stats. Its not Flacco's fault one bit, ITS THE COACHING! Here are some more average QB's with better TD-INT: Sanchez 19-11, Dalton 17-12, McCoy 14-9. Flacco is better than all 3 of these QB's BUT their coaches let them throw the ball!

This is the Ravens weekly passing game plan: Flacco is told if his first read isnt open, then throw it to Rice or Leach! This is the ONLY team in the league that uses 2 Wide Receiver sets on 85% of their plays! Of course Boldin and T. Smith cant get open because they are being double teamed out of this formation. Im not saying change the Ravens to a passing team, but let Flacco get a similiar game plan to the Saints/Packers. The Saints have all three of their RBs get quality carries why still allowing Brees to put up great numbers!

[1bodaciousraven]

Will the pro bowl be played the week before the super bowl again this year?

[wizard1]

Ha This thread must be a joke thread right? Flacco in the Pro Bowl-that is falling down funny!

[jimmypowder]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1323554575' post='901857']
Ha This thread must be a joke thread right? Flacco in the Pro Bowl-that is falling down funny!
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The ultimate Flacco hater is back in technicolor.

[jimmypowder]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1323554575' post='901857']
Ha This thread must be a joke thread right? Flacco in the Pro Bowl-that is falling down funny!
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You should join Bayless in a talk show and rock it !

[1/28/01]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1323554575' post='901857']
Ha This thread must be a joke thread right? Flacco in the Pro Bowl-that is falling down funny!
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He's baaaaacckkkk! Damn, your absense was(n't) missed!

[wizard1]

Well lets let the stats speak for themselves-Joe's completion % 55.3 is just slighty above Curtis Painters % 54.3. Joes QB rating 78.3 is just slightly ahead of Tavaris Jackson at 76.9. Joes TD passes at 13 put him one better than Josh Freeman who has 12. He leads the league in fumbles. He has rushed for a grand total of 47 yards which puts him a little ahead Tyler Palko with 43. This doesn't even take into consideration his questionable leadership skills and overall lack of enthusiasm.or sense of urgency. I like our chances better if we had Trent Dilfer back there-His 2000 season was far superior to Flacco in everyway!

[wizard1]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1323559474' post='901894']
He's baaaaacckkkk! Damn, your absense was(n't) missed!
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I know you missed me 1/28/01- I see you are still trying to make a steak out of that Flacco rump roast!

[1/28/01]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1323559814' post='901901']
Well lets let the stats speak for themselves-Joe's completion % 55.3 is just slighty above Curtis Painters % 54.3. Joes QB rating 78.3 is just slightly ahead of Tavaris Jackson at 76.9. Joes TD passes at 13 put him one better than Josh Freeman who has 12. He leads the league in fumbles. He has rushed for a grand total of 47 yards which puts him a little ahead Tyler Palko with 43. This doesn't even take into consideration his questionable leadership skills and overall lack of enthusiasm.or sense of urgency. I like our chances better if we had Trent Dilfer back there-His 2000 season was far superior to Flacco in everyway!
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I don't even know why I (or anyone for that matter) humors you with responses. You're just funny!

[1/28/01]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1323560012' post='901903']

I know you missed me 1/28/01- I see you are still trying to make a steak out of that Flacco rump roast!
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Nope, I don't build him up AT ALL. I dare you to find one post where I have done so. I just don't bring up his name in every thread as if I have some sort of hidden issue with him. Its actually kind of disturbing!

[Dudeman]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1323559814' post='901901']
Well lets let the stats speak for themselves-Joe's completion % 55.3 is just slighty above Curtis Painters % 54.3. Joes QB rating 78.3 is just slightly ahead of Tavaris Jackson at 76.9. Joes TD passes at 13 put him one better than Josh Freeman who has 12. He leads the league in fumbles. He has rushed for a grand total of 47 yards which puts him a little ahead Tyler Palko with 43. This doesn't even take into consideration his questionable leadership skills and overall lack of enthusiasm.or sense of urgency. I like our chances better if we had Trent Dilfer back there-His 2000 season was far superior to Flacco in everyway!
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It's not all in the stats. Does your stats show how our division fields the best defenses in the NFL, or that our offense is ball control by design? You could also angle his leadership as poised and determined over lack of enthusiasm or sense of urgency. He is a high character guy off the field, and we have a winning offense. What more do you want from Flacco to overcome your disdain?

As far as Flacco to the pro-bowl well the only stat that matters is he is 9-3 as a starter this season. He has thrown more touchdowns than interceptions, and the only QB's in the AFC maybe more worthy of a pro-bowl berth are Tom Brady, and Ben Rothlisberger.

[wizard1]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1323560097' post='901908']
Nope, I don't build him up AT ALL. I dare you to find one post where I have done so. I just don't bring up his name in every thread as if I have some sort of hidden issue with him. Its actually kind of disturbing!
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What should be more disturbing to you and everyone else is that we keep getting the same thing year in and year out-I don't want another season of wild card playoff games waiting for Joe to make the fatal mistake. I don't see us winning out with away games at SD and Cincy. That means another wild card placement if the Steelers win out. I've been down that road too many times and I know where it ends.

[Dudeman]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1323560097' post='901908']
Nope, I don't build him up AT ALL. I dare you to find one post where I have done so. I just don't bring up his name in every thread as if I have some sort of hidden issue with him. Its actually kind of disturbing!
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Well said sir, well said. You'd think that Flacco took his sister into a bar bathroom and made an indecent proposal! Oh wait that was someone else who did that, who was that again?

[wizard1]

[quote name='Dudeman' timestamp='1323560319' post='901913']

It's not all in the stats. Does your stats show how our division fields the best defenses in the NFL, or that our offense is ball control by design? You could also angle his leadership as poised and determined over lack of enthusiasm or sense of urgency. He is a high character guy off the field, and we have a winning offense. What more do you want from Flacco to overcome your disdain?

As far as Flacco to the pro-bowl well the only stat that matters is he is 9-3 as a starter this season. He has thrown more touchdowns than interceptions, and the only QB's in the AFC maybe more worthy of a pro-bowl berth are Tom Brady, and Ben Rothlisberger.
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I wish I could be more supportive of Flacco but this is the 4th year of the Joe Flacco rollercoaster ride and I've developed colitis because of it. I shouldn't be nervous about tomorrows Indy game but with him at quarterback I am. I even saw an Occupy Wall Street protester holding a sign demanding Joes ouster or at least I think I did.

[jimmypowder]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1323560012' post='901903']
I know you missed me 1/28/01- I see you are still trying to make a steak out of that Flacco rump roast!
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This is likely the same type of fellow who demanded Troy Smith after certain games. Did you Wizard??

[wizard1]

[quote name='jimmypowder' timestamp='1323561040' post='901926']

This is likely the same type of fellow who demanded Troy Smith after certain games. Did you Wizard??
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No I never wanted Troy Smith in there but I sure would like to give Tyrod a chance. At least he isn't afraid to run with the ball - oh and by the way did I mention he worked out with Michael Vick in the off-season?

[wizard1]

[quote name='jimmypowder' timestamp='1323561040' post='901926']

This is likely the same type of fellow who demanded Troy Smith after certain games. Did you Wizard??
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By the way Mr. Powder-you do think that Michael Vick is a decent QB don't you?

[Dudeman]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1323560879' post='901923']
I wish I could be more supportive of Flacco but this is the 4th year of the Joe Flacco rollercoaster ride and I've developed colitis because of it. I shouldn't be nervous about tomorrows Indy game but with him at quarterback I am. I even saw an Occupy Wall Street protester holding a sign demanding Joes ouster or at least I think I did.
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The game of football is a roller coster ride. Teams are up and down all season long. One minute you're a world beater and the next you're just a wife beater. But you should ease up on the Flacco hate on a Ravens site. No one wants you to make excuses for him, but no-one wants you to blame him for everything either. Remember football is a team sport, and Flacco isn't the sole reason to cast blame or give credit. You need to learn how to be ok with these kinds of ups and downs because that is just life man.

[wizard1]

[quote name='Dudeman' timestamp='1323562227' post='901934']

The game of football is a roller coster ride. Teams are up and down all season long. One minute you're a world beater and the next you're just a wife beater. But you should ease up on the Flacco hate on a Ravens site. No one wants you to make excuses for him, but no-one wants you to blame him for everything either. Remember football is a team sport, and Flacco isn't the sole reason to cast blame or give credit. You need to learn how to be ok with these kinds of ups and downs because that is just life man.
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Your philosophic ideals about football are much the same as mine but I also am a supporter of the Vince Lombardi philosophy and that is winning is the only thing ! What do you honestly believe Vince Lombardi would have done with a QB like Joe Flacco?

[BirdWatcher]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1323563359' post='901944']
Your philosophic ideals about football are much the same as mine but I also am a supporter of the Vince Lombardi philosophy and that is winning is the only thing ! [b]What do you honestly believe Vince Lombardi would have done with a QB like Joe Flacco?[/b]
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Thanked him for helping to win so many games.

[Ravenslifer]

Looks like the top two AFC vote getters are Brady (by a huge margin), and Roethlisberger. Couldn't find any link to AFC quarterbacks specifically.