Flacco's 1st Pro Bowl?

[Andrew Dennen]

I definitely did not realize the AFC QBs were that weak this year. I know Philip Rivers is atrocious for some reason due to fantasy...

I don't know if Joe will make it this year, but when him and Torrey grow a little I foresee some big years ahead.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1322879333' post='892821']
Holy lord!!! I am pleasantly surprised by this. Here's a shocker - I agree with what you said!!! Wow, sounds/feels weird!
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i know right, I am serious he has evolved into an elite quarterback.

[Clutch Ravens]

Tebow's going to take Joe's spot.

Skip Bayless has a macro set up on his computer to spam votes for Tebow. If he and ESPN can't brain wash enough people to vote for Timmy Terrific (I actually like him, but he's no Pro Bowler) then Skip'll single-handedly get him there.

[imamachinejerk]

Joe should win this but wont. Just like how he got screwed on ROY, hes not popular enough to get votes. I still make a point to vote for him like 10 times a day....even though fan votes dont really count

[cursona pirate]

[quote name='imamachinejerk' timestamp='1322939842' post='893127']
Joe should win this but wont. Just like how he got screwed on ROY, hes not popular enough to get votes. I still make a point to vote for him like 10 times a day....even though fan votes dont really count
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i could have sworn joe got Rookie of the Year? because he led the Ravens to the AFC championship?

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='cursona pirate' timestamp='1322940687' post='893132']
i could have sworn joe got Rookie of the Year? because he led the Ravens to the AFC championship?
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Matt Ryan got it.

[cursona pirate]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1322940956' post='893134']
Matt Ryan got it.
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i could have remebered an article on the website after Flaccos fist year.. it was a diet pepsi award thing? what am i thinking of?

[cursona pirate]

[b]Joe Flacco!![/b]
[b]HONORS[/b]
• Named to USA Today's All-Joe Team (players who are critical to their team, but don't receive Pro Bowl nods) in 2009
• Named the 2008 Diet Pepsi Rookie of the Year (NFL.com fan vote)
• NFL Offensive Rookie of the Month (November, 2008)
• AFC Rookie of the Week (Week 17, 2008)

[1bodaciousraven]

Well I voted for him about a hundred times, who knows maybe he will make it.

[The King]

There won't really be many better years than this for Joe to make the push for his first Pro Bowl. With Manning and Schaub out and Rivers underperforming in a huge way, they field is open in the third QB spot (with Tom Terrific and Big Ben in the first two). I think that the biggest competition comes from Ryan Fitzpatrick, and then Tim Tebow (since Carson Palmer and Matt Moore won't be able to play enough games to qualify). Tebow is hurt by the fact that he isn't a pocket passer. While he may accrue a lot of fan votes, I doubt you'll see him get a lot of support form players and coaches, and that's two-thirds of the vote. Ryan Fitzpatrick is not as popular among fans, especially casual fans, because he's a seventh round pick out of Harvard, but he has the respect of players and coaches. However, if the Bills continue to slump as they have, it will be tough for people to justify picking him over a winner.

Finishing with one of the AFC's top seeds will be a huge boost. If Joe Flacco can just pick up his numbers (250 yards and 2 TDs per game through the end of the season should be plenty) he'll be in And once he's made it once people will be more willing to vote for him in the future. This is Joe's time.

[Token]

[quote name='cursona pirate' timestamp='1322941049' post='893137']
i could have remebered an article on the website after Flaccos fist year.. it was a diet pepsi award thing? what am i thinking of?
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Flacco got NFLN's ROY.
The AP ROY was Ryan.

[scrock]

Flacco is having his worst statistical year since his rookie year....his completion % is down...we know why but still, other national media? they dont understand it and dont accept it...his TDs are down...he will probably throw for more yards? maybe...unless we really start running it more and his numbers drop

I honestly don't see him making it, dont forget Baltimore gets no respect....fan voting counts as 1/3 of the vote...then players and coaches

[Andrew Dennen]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1322948498' post='893205']
Flacco is having his worst statistical year since his rookie year....his completion % is down...we know why but still, other national media? they dont understand it and dont accept it...his TDs are down...he will probably throw for more yards? maybe...unless we really start running it more and his numbers drop

I honestly don't see him making it, dont forget Baltimore gets no respect....fan voting counts as 1/3 of the vote...then players and coaches
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Yea - I don't think he will make it, but I completely agree with what you said. I tell people all the time that he is a career 62-64% completion guy, going back to college. This year is an outlier, not the norm, because he is still playing with young inexperience receivers. When he develops a rapport with Smith, Pitta, Dickson and hophefully Williams and Doss, his numbers will only get better.

I don't want to compare to Aaron Rodgers, but the reason he is killing it is because him and all his WRs have been working for 3-4 years together. You start to think like them when you have that much experience, and I know that is what Joe is lacking with his options to this point. Funny thing is that he was basically there with Heap and Mason, and I think that is why you are seeing a regression in his statistics. Next year with a full offseason, the offense will be more finely tuned.

On a sidenote - I saw Joe has launched an official website with official Twitter/Facebook pages - [url="http://joeflacco5.com"]http://joeflacco5.com[/url] ... I don't have enough posts to start a thread, but if someone wants to announce it that would be cool. It's about time Flacco starts getting more respect!

[Ravenslifer]

Flacco's completions percentage is down for 3 main reasons, IMO: 1) He is throwing more deep balls than he ever has in his career, and deep balls are less likely to be completed than shorter passes for a number of reasons. 2) His receivers have dropped a lot of catchable balls. 3) He is clearly not always on the same page with Torrey, Lee, and even Dickson at times, which is to be expected, since the only one he's had an offseason with is Dickson, and Lee has missed a number of games.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Andrew Dennen' timestamp='1322949444' post='893214']

Yea - I don't think he will make it, but I completely agree with what you said. I tell people all the time that he is a career 62-64% completion guy, going back to college. This year is an outlier, not the norm, because he is still playing with young inexperience receivers. When he develops a rapport with Smith, Pitta, Dickson and hophefully Williams and Doss, his numbers will only get better.

I don't want to compare to Aaron Rodgers,[b] but the reason he is killing it is because him and all his WRs have been working for 3-4 years together[/b]. You start to think like them when you have that much experience, and I know that is what Joe is lacking with his options to this point. Funny thing is that he was basically there with Heap and Mason, and I think that is why you are seeing a regression in his statistics. Next year with a full offseason, the offense will be more finely tuned.

On a sidenote - I saw Joe has launched an official website with official Twitter/Facebook pages - [url="http://joeflacco5.com"]http://joeflacco5.com[/url] ... I don't have enough posts to start a thread, but if someone wants to announce it that would be cool. It's about time Flacco starts getting more respect!
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The other thing about Rodgers is that 90 percent of the passes he's thrown this year have either been behind the line of scrimmage or within 1-20 yards of the line of scrimmage, passes that have a higher chance of being completed. Conversely, Flacco has thrown only 85 percent of his passes in that range. And for some reason, Flacco's mid-range passing completion rate (between 11-20 yards), is at 47 percent on the season, compared to almost 60 percent last year (though he still has a QB rating of 98 on his midrange passes).

[cursona pirate]

i like the Joe Flacco website!!! adding to bookmarks...

[atljbo]

Didnt realize the AFC QB situation was so down this year...

Matt Ryan is top 10 in most of all the QB ratings and dude is still not making the probowl this year because the NFC is to deep

Through 11 games (league rankings)
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PFF Overall QB rating - 4th
ESPN QBR Rating - 6th
Passing Touchdowns - 8th
40+ Yard Passes - 8th
Comp% - 9th
20+ Yard Passes - 9th
Passer Rating - 10th
Passing Yards - 10th[/quote]

But he is not making the probowl

[atljbo]

Either way.. You guys will have a boatload of guys from that defense at the probowl

[BenDufusberger]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1322951653' post='893251']

The other thing about Rodgers is that 90 percent of the passes he's thrown this year have either been behind the line of scrimmage or within 1-20 yards of the line of scrimmage, passes that have a higher chance of being completed. Conversely, Flacco has thrown only 85 percent of his passes in that range. And for some reason, Flacco's mid-range passing completion rate (between 11-20 yards), is at 47 percent on the season, compared to almost 60 percent last year (though he still has a QB rating of 98 on his midrange passes).
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Rodgers is on a pace to finish 8th on the [u]all-time[/u] list for single-season yds per [u]attempt[/u] , if he maintains his current rate of 9.6 yds/att.
You don't do that if you're just throwing dinks.

[url="http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/02/a-remarkable-season-by-any-measure/"]http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/02/a-remarkable-season-by-any-measure/[/url]

[Romo Ravens]

This sucks. If he wants to make it, it'll have to be this year with so many QB's within the conference playing so poorly. Fingers crossed.

[ravensdfan]

I don't think he makes it in the Pro Bowl this year but I disagree that his window closes this season that seems to be in many of the comments here. He & Torrey will be a duo to be dealt with in years to come. They are just starting to gel. Many of the drops are due to inexperience in the receiving corps as well which will improve. I think Flacco will have some amazing seasons in the future.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='BenDufusberger' timestamp='1322983999' post='893500'] Rodgers is on a pace to finish 8th on the [u]all-time[/u] list for single-season yds per [u]attempt[/u] , if he maintains his current rate of 9.6 yds/att. You don't do that if you're just throwing dinks. [url="http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/02/a-remarkable-season-by-any-measure/"]http://fifthdown.blo...by-any-measure/[/url][/quote]

Do they take YAC into consideration for YPA? And I'm not saying that Rodgers is just throwing short passes, but according to ESPN's stats, he's attempted 74 passes behind the line of scrimmage and completed 84 percent, and 161 passes within 1-10 yards of the line of scrimmage and completed 77 percent. He's thrown 90 passes between 10-20 yards and completed 58 percent, completed 55 percent of his passes between 20-30 yards, and completing close to 70 percent of his passes beyond 30 yards, but he's only thrown 13. All I'm saying is that even Aaron Rodgers' numbers go down when he's throwing longer passes. But throwing shorter passes and gaining YAC is the key behind the West Coast Offense that Green Bay runs, and that I wish we ran here in Baltimore. What I am trying to say is that, in comparison to a lot of other quarterbacks this season, Flacco is attempting many more deep passes, and failing to complete them. I'm trying to understand why the coaching staff can't see this and call for higher percentage plays. The reason this offense, in my opinion, fails to produce consistently is because we are running a system that's not suited for the players we have here, and especially the offensive line.


[b]The objective of the West Coast Offense is to:[/b][list]
[*]Spread the defense out horizontally as well as vertically, forcing slower linebackers into coverage.
[*]Maintain possession of the football by utilizing a short passing attack almost as an extension of the running game.
[*]Create mismatches with speed, size, or number of receivers.
[*]Avoid tendencies that defenses can key on by throwing on any down and distance
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[b]Ideal player qualities:[/b][list]
[*]Quarterback - More of a focus is placed on decision-making and accuracy over arm strength in a West Coast system. A quarterback must be able to choose from multiple options and deliver the ball quickly. Mobility is also a big plus. [b]Joe Flacco is easily capable of this[/b]
[*]Running Back - In the West Coast Offense, running backs are generally used more as receivers out of the backfield than in other systems, so you need a guy with all-around skills. Good hands and route-running skills are a must. [b]Ray Rice is one of the best receiving threats at running back in the game[/b]
[*]Tight End - The tight end’s role is generally that of a possession receiver and blocker. The ability to catch the ball in traffic is a huge plus.[b] Dickson and Pitta are both excellent receivers, need to get better blocking but that will come[/b]
[*]Wide Receiver - With the focus on a short passing attack, precision and timing are of the utmost importance, so receivers have to run precise routes. Straight-line speed isn’t as important as an ability to separate in traffic. And an ability to make plays after the catch can turn a good receiver into a superstar in this offense. [b]This is exactly what Boldin can do - he's not fast but he gains tremendous YAC because of his ability to catch balls in traffic and break tackles. Torrey Smith was used almost exclusively this way at Maryland, catching lots of hitch routes and screen passes and then turning them into big gains.[/b]
[*]Offensive Linemen - You’re generally not trying to pound the ball on the ground in the West Coast Offense, so guys who can consistently blow defenders off the line aren’t necessary. Actually quicker, more mobile linemen are more ideal because of their ability to pull or get outside in a rolling pocket on plays designed to get the quarterback outside. [b]Most importantly, you don't need as solid of an offensive line because you emphasize quick routes instead of slow-developing ones.[/b]
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[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1322936229' post='893097']

i know right, I am serious he has evolved into an elite quarterback.
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What, in the last few weeks, has convinced you? Are you just playing around with us? Is this even you? Ha!

[BenDufusberger]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1323012305' post='893611']

Do they take YAC into consideration for YPA? And I'm not saying that Rodgers is just throwing short passes, but according to ESPN's stats, he's attempted 74 passes behind the line of scrimmage and completed 84 percent, and 161 passes within 1-10 yards of the line of scrimmage and completed 77 percent. He's thrown 90 passes between 10-20 yards and completed 58 percent, completed 55 percent of his passes between 20-30 yards, and completing close to 70 percent of his passes beyond 30 yards, but he's only thrown 13. All I'm saying is that even Aaron Rodgers' numbers go down when he's throwing longer passes. But throwing shorter passes and gaining YAC is the key behind the West Coast Offense that Green Bay runs, and that I wish we ran here in Baltimore. The West Coast Offense relies on What I am trying to say is that, in comparison to a lot of other quarterbacks this season, Flacco is attempting many more deep passes, and failing to complete them. I'm trying to understand why the coaching staff can't see this and call for higher percentage plays. The reason this offense, in my opinion, fails to produce consistently is because we are running a system that's not suited for the players we have here, and especially the offensive line.



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Yes, YAC would be included in Rodgers' 9.6 yds/attempt figure , but Rodgers doesn't gain disproportionately from YAC relative to other QBs.. In fact , for both Flacco and Rodgers , YAC amounts to ~37% of total passing yardage.

I'm in total agreement with your critique of the Ravens' offensive scheme , and that Rodgers benefits from one that is well-suited to him and the rest of GB's offensive personnel. I don't doubt that Flacco's stats would improve considerably if he was dropped into the GB system in place of Rodgers , or if we adopted a similar system here. My only concern was what I saw as an attempt to minimize the significance of the season Rodgers is having , but I now understand that you were using the Rodgers stats more to show how Joe's stats are not a good reflection of Joe's capability , largely because he's stuck with a second-rate offensive scheme.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='BenDufusberger' timestamp='1323019836' post='893679']

Yes, YAC would be included in Rodgers' 9.6 yds/attempt figure , but Rodgers doesn't gain disproportionately from YAC relative to other QBs.. In fact , for both Flacco and Rodgers , YAC amounts to ~37% of total passing yardage.

I'm in total agreement with your critique of the Ravens' offensive scheme , and that Rodgers benefits from one that is well-suited to him and the rest of GB's offensive personnel. I don't doubt that Flacco's stats would improve considerably if he was dropped into the GB system in place of Rodgers , or if we adopted a similar system here. My only concern was what I saw as an attempt to minimize the significance of the season Rodgers is having , but I now understand that you were using the Rodgers stats more to show how Joe's stats are not a good reflection of Joe's capability , largely because he's stuck with a second-rate offensive scheme.
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Right. Rodgers well on his way to being considered one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. If he keeps this up, he'll have all of the records (except Favre's INT record, but that's one I'm sure Aaron has no problem letting Brett keep). But what I was trying to say was that part of the reason Rodgers looks so good is that his system is perfectly suited to him. I don't see him coming in here and putting up the same numbers, because I don't think any quarterback could come in here with this receiving corps and this coordinator and put up consistently good numbers. And I do believe that Joe could put up better numbers in a system like Rodgers', because I think that when Zorn was here, that's what he tried to get Joe to do more of, and Joe succeeded at it (in case you haven't noticed, I'm a huge believer that Joe's success last year was due almost entirely to the fact that he had Zorn and Al Saunders here to help balance Cam).

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1323015583' post='893628']
What, in the last few weeks, has convinced you? Are you just playing around with us? Is this even you? Ha!
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did he not say he re watched every game and noticed things he doesnt see in a live game? When your so emotionally invlved in a game you almost see what you want to see...

[BenDufusberger]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1323020315' post='893684']
(in case you haven't noticed, I'm a huge believer that Joe's success last year was due almost entirely to the fact that he had Zorn and Al Saunders here to help balance Cam).
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I'd love to have been a fly on the wall when the decision was made to keep Cam while releasing Zorn and Saunders. I think everybody recognized that there was a conflict in offensive philosophy , with Cam on one side and Zorn and Saunders on the other. What I wonder about is whether they chose to stick with Cam because they thought he had the better ideas , or did they just mentally flip a coin , and Cam won ? Either way it was a mistake , and if we fail in the SB quest this year because of offensive shortcomings , it's a mistake they'll be reminded of on a daily basis until they correct it. In fact , if I can manage it , I'll try to remind them twice daily.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1323015583' post='893628']
What, in the last few weeks, has convinced you? Are you just playing around with us? Is this even you? Ha!
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Yeah i watched the tape, the guy just needs better play calling and a lil more confidence, All and all he is there, even after he stunk it up in Cleveland.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1323044262' post='895390']
Yeah i watched the tape, the guy just needs better play calling and a lil more confidence, All and all he is there, even after he stunk it up in Cleveland.
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he had 10incompletions i think, 6 of them drops, and 2 throwaways, the others was lee evans one and the tipped pass to leach... he didnt stink it up thw WRs did

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1323044365' post='895397']
he had 10incompletions i think, 6 of them drops, and 2 throwaways, the others was lee evans one and the tipped pass to leach... he didnt stink it up thw WRs did
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Wasn't one of his best games, he wasn't asked to do much. Minus the few overthrows, and the fumble in an inopportune time in the game, he wasn't horrible but def not good.