Already Topped Last Year's Sack Total...

[wayne]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1322578422' post='890009']
[b]Yeah, I kept blaming our defensive inconsistencies on Mattison not having the right personnel,[/b] but Pagano has really shown me that changing a coordinator and scheme can have a big impact on a unit's performance. Makes you wonder if other coordinator changes should be made.
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You weren't the only one and I kept telling people on here that we had the personnel to run an aggressive scheme. I'm a big believer in scheme over team but 'tteam is very important too but a good scheme can make up for a lack of a team.

[wayne]

[quote name='Free Agent' timestamp='1322630249' post='890738']
Funny thing is we were all complaining about Cam so much last season,[b] that no one really took the time to call for Mattison to go. [/b]Mattison was solid, but Pagano really has shown what our defense is capable of. Mattison leaving really turned out well. Now if only we could get Cam to do the same thing...
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I contest to that. I remember debating with Flynismo , EdReed20, and a few others on here about Mattison but they kept telling me Mattison was doing a great job and they kept throwing up our defensive rankings at me which we all know can be a bit deceptive. I told them , "what do your eyes see, does it match our rankings" and they kept telling me numbers don't lie and blah,blah,blah,blah,blah. We shut down the lesser skilled teams and did aight on the good teams so that was my argument for saying our rankings were a bit deceptive. Looks like night and day between Mattison and Pagano!

[wayne]

[quote name='BenDufusberger' timestamp='1322598519' post='890268']

It's no wonder - size #38 sack ( and growing , rapidly ).
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Crazy thing about it is we could very well have around 45-48 sacks if we didn't get behind against Seattle and the Jags which put them into safe mode where they practically ran the ball most of the game.

[redrum52]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1322642992' post='890782']


I contest to that. I remember debating with Flynismo , EdReed20, and a few others on here about Mattison but they kept telling me Mattison was doing a great job and they kept throwing up our defensive rankings at me which we all know can be a bit deceptive. I told them , "what do your eyes see, does it match our rankings" and they kept telling me numbers don't lie and blah,blah,blah,blah,blah. We shut down the lesser skilled teams and did aight on the good teams so that was my argument for saying our rankings were a bit deceptive. Looks like night and day between Mattison and Pagano!
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This right here upsets me. I didn't like Mattison but I will say the defense for the most part stepped up in the post season. I didn't like his scheme and had stated it many times. He would blitz but no real exotic blitzes. He blitzed more than people would think but it was predictable and usually picked up. The thing was so many people HATED Cam he sort of flew under the radar. He's numbers might have poppies nice but two things need to be taken into account, which teams padded the defenses stats and personnel. We had the personnel to stay in games despite calls. I will also say the numbers might have been better had the offense not been so damn inconsistent last year but 27 sacks with this squad is a piss poor job. Now, for everyone who believes Cam is doing such a great job, we now have a clear cut idea of what a coaching change can do. I'm sick of people on this site defending mediocrity because it just gets the job done. The job of a coach is not to just get the job done but get the best out of your players which I still don't feel Cam is doing.

[Free Agent]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1322642992' post='890782']

I contest to that. I remember debating with Flynismo , EdReed20, and a few others on here about Mattison but they kept telling me Mattison was doing a great job and they kept throwing up our defensive rankings at me which we all know can be a bit deceptive. I told them , "what do your eyes see, does it match our rankings" and they kept telling me numbers don't lie and blah,blah,blah,blah,blah. We shut down the lesser skilled teams and did aight on the good teams so that was my argument for saying our rankings were a bit deceptive. Looks like night and day between Mattison and Pagano!
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While Mattison clearly was not as good as Pagano, Mattison was still decent. The defense didnt play up to their true potential, but they played well. It wasnt like our defense was [i]bad[/i], so there was no reason to let Mattison go. If Mattison had been as bad as Cam has been with the offense, then there wouldve been a lot more people calling for him to be fired. Pagano has really brought the defense to play up to their true potential, and has allowed players like Paul Kruger and Cary Williams to break out. Pagano is definitely a better coordinator than Mattison was, but Mattison wasnt a [i]terrible[/i] coordinator either.

[The King]

It's unfortunate that the defense's success means that we'll probably lose Pagano pretty soon. Maybe he'll be like Decosta and refuse some of the positions so that he can stick around in Baltimore for a little while longer.

It would be a disappointment if the defense didn't eclipse the total from last year. After all, we set the franchise record for lowest number of sacks and barely had anyone but Suggs getting after the QB. It was pretty much just him and Ngata. Pagano has the good fortune of coming in as DC when some of our players are starting to put it together on defense, like Webb and Williams in the secondary, and Kruger and McPhee in the pass rush. He's been given some more talent to work with, but I think that part of why they have developed is his aggressive coaching.

Ultimately, Pagano is a significant upgrade from Mattison. Mattison was just extremely vanilla as a DC, and as a result the defense was not playing as well as it could. The unit underachieved with him and he needed to be replaced.

[EdReedFTW]

[quote name='BenDufusberger' timestamp='1322597873' post='890257']
I wonder if anyone keeps track of sacks per defensive snap played by individual players. McPhee has to be near the top of that list. Kruger would be up there too.

When QBs see those guys on the field , they think " Oh no. Please , OC , send me a running play. "
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Waddya know, PFF just released a new and updated chart of the most productive passrushers. http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/11/30/pass-rushing-productivity-the-story-so-far/
Suggs is ranked 24. McPhee was not in the top 25.

[BenDufusberger]

[quote name='EdReedFTW' timestamp='1322686572' post='891229']

Waddya know, PFF just released a new and updated chart of the most productive passrushers. [url="http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2011/11/30/pass-rushing-productivity-the-story-so-far/"]http://www.profootba...e-story-so-far/[/url]
Suggs is ranked 24. McPhee was not in the top 25.
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Cool. Thanks for posting it.

I see they only tabulate those with >200 rushes on the passer. I wonder if Kruger and McPhee made the cutoff.

BTW , nice to see the Browns have none in the top ranks , but two among the worst 20.

[BenDufusberger]

Here's a nice photo of Kruger , McPhee , and Alex Smith , getting to know one another :

[url="http://seeingred.sltrib.com/2011/11/utes-in-the-nfl-week-12-thursday/alex-smith-paul-kruger-pernell-mcphee/"]http://seeingred.sltrib.com/2011/11/utes-in-the-nfl-week-12-thursday/alex-smith-paul-kruger-pernell-mcphee/[/url]

[wayne]

[quote name='Free Agent' timestamp='1322679628' post='891093']

While Mattison clearly was not as good as Pagano, Mattison was still decent. The defense didnt play up to their true potential, but they played well. It wasnt like our defense was [i]bad[/i], so there was no reason to let Mattison go. If Mattison had been as bad as Cam has been with the offense, then there wouldve been a lot more people calling for him to be fired. Pagano has really brought the defense to play up to their true potential, and has allowed players like Paul Kruger and Cary Williams to break out. Pagano is definitely a better coordinator than Mattison was, but Mattison wasnt a [i]terrible[/i] coordinator either.
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Yea, he was decent but like someone pointed out, its like going 50mph in a Lambhorgini, you are not using it to its full potential. Cam does the same thing but what makes it standout on Cam is b/c our D with all the future HOF players it has nomally out shine the O and Cam doesn't have any star caliber players like we have on D that can overcome his playcalling.

[bpytnjr58]

Hope they can get McCoy at least 3 or 4 times..he is quick at getting out of the pocket.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='orlandoraven' timestamp='1322608739' post='890447']
Great. John Clayton was just speculating on ESPN about Pagano (among others) as a possible replacement for Del Rio. I was hoping to get another season before his name starts popping up. As this thread is saying, he's doing a job.
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Pagano would be a fool to take that job. He's a 34 defensive coach, the Jags employ a 43 defense with nobody capable of playing the OLB position in a 34 defense. Plus that offense is just downright awful, theres literally no pieces other than MJD.