Possible Cam Cameron Replacements?

[Kinda_Dante]

I know Cam just called a pretty decent game for us and everything but i was just wondering who do you guys have in mind for OC if we actually part ways with him?

[OUravensfan]

Bring Billick back...lol. Who knows, depends on who is available, maybe someone familiar with the West Coast type offense.

[BenDufusberger]

[quote name='Kinda_Dante' timestamp='1322455074' post='888934']
I know Cam just called a pretty decent game for us and everything but i was just wondering who do you guys have in mind for OC if we actually part ways with him?
[/quote]

Would you be interested ? When could you start ?

We can offer a very attractive salary and benefit package.

[Maryland1]

[quote name='Kinda_Dante' timestamp='1322455074' post='888934']
I know Cam just called a pretty decent game for us and everything but i was just wondering who do you guys have in mind for OC if we actually part ways with him?
[/quote]

Let's finish this season strong. If there's still an OC issue at the end of the season, then it gets handled during the post-season.

[BenDufusberger]

Here's what I wonder about : Let's say that upper management and ownership have already decided they'd like to make a move at OC after the season. Now , suppose the Ravens win the SB. What then?

I have to think that a SB victory would buy Cam a one year pardon , and maybe even two. How could they fire the OC that just led the team to a SB victory ?

For people who'd like to see Cam replaced , this is going to be an uncomfortable scenario to think about.

[neoi78]

Wow, even on a sunday in which we didn't play, people are calling for Cam's head! Hahahah!

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='BenDufusberger' timestamp='1322458032' post='888981']
Here's what I wonder about : Let's say that upper management and ownership have already decided they'd like to make a move at OC after the season. Now , suppose the Ravens win the SB. What then?

I have to think that a SB victory would buy Cam a one year pardon , and maybe even two. How could they fire the OC that just led the team to a SB victory ?

For people who'd like to see Cam replaced , this is going to be an uncomfortable scenario to think about.
[/quote]

Good points. I've been trying to figure this scenario out for a while. But the more I think about it, the defense will probably be able to win games for us in the playoffs, despite Cameron's idiotic play calling. I still want him gone no matter what.

[Jamal]

Here is my wish-list:

[color=#000000][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][b]Norv Turner HC SD:[/b][/size][/font][/color]
I honestly can't see the FO keeping him around after another year without making the playoffs. While hes not a very good HC, the guy is one of the best play-callers in the game. Rivers numbers are very comparable to Flacco's pre-Turner, and now hes one of the elite QB's in the NFL.

[color=#000000][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][b]Josh McDaniels OC St. Louis:[/b][/size][/font][/color]
He might be #1 on my list. Currently the OC of St. Lois, but if they end up with the worst record in the NFL, I think management might be cleaning house starting with the HC. McDaniels has been given nothing to work with other than Bradford, so I can't really blame him for the offensive woes. Theres no doubt the guy was downright pathetic as a HC and drafter, but offensively, hes truly brilliant. Tom Brady broke the TD record with McDaniles, and lets not forget this guy had Kyle Orton on pace to break Dan Marino'a record. Just look at Orton now. On top of that, this guy brings a special swagger on offense. He definitely takes from his former mentor Bill Belichick in terms of aggressiveness. Hes doesn't play not to lose. The guy is super aggressive, and Flacco and our offense are in desperate need of swagger and aggressiveness. People will point out that he doesn't run the ball very often, but thats more a product of him never really having a back he trusted.


[color=#000000][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][b]Tom Clements QB Coach GB:[/b][/size][/font][/color]
McCarthy gets all the credit, and deservingly so, but Clements is huge reason for Rodgers success. Hes a former QB, and has almost 2 decades of coaching experience. Favre saw a resurgence in his career after GB hired Clements, and almost won the MVP his last year in GB. He was also the QB coach who helped Tommy Maddox have a good year with Pittsburgh.

[color=#000000][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][b]Jim Zorn:[/b][/size][/font][/color]
We might have already burned this bridge, but Flacco wasn't happy to see Zorn go, and maybe the FO might listen to the QB for once and let Zorn become the OC, who has a system much better suited for Flacco. His tenure in Washington was bad, but this is the guy who turned Matt Hasslebeck in to the a SB QB.

At the end of the day, I'll take just about anybody over Cam.

[BenDufusberger]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1322458317' post='888985']

Good points. I've been trying to figure this scenario out for a while. But the more I think about it, the defense will probably be able to win games for us in the playoffs, despite Cameron's idiotic play calling. I still want him gone no matter what.
[/quote]

That's how I'd feel , too , but that's not the question. How could it occur ? Would they actually fire him after a SB win ? I just can't see that happening , much as everyone involved might like it to happen. I think we'd be stuck.

[Jamal]

[quote name='BenDufusberger' timestamp='1322458647' post='888989']

That's how I'd feel , too , but that's not the question. How could it occur ? Would they actually fire him after a SB win ? I just can't see that happening , much as everyone involved might like it to happen. I think we'd be stuck.
[/quote]
Really puts us Cam haters in an awkward position.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

In order for us to win a Superbowl with Cam he'd have to call a pretty good games all through the playoffs.

Unfortunately, I don't see that happening. =/

[colljb9]

[quote name='BenDufusberger' timestamp='1322458032' post='888981']
Here's what I wonder about : Let's say that upper management and ownership have already decided they'd like to make a move at OC after the season. Now , suppose the Ravens win the SB. What then?

I have to think that a SB victory would buy Cam a one year pardon , and maybe even two. How could they fire the OC that just led the team to a SB victory ?

For people who'd like to see Cam replaced , this is going to be an uncomfortable scenario to think about.
[/quote]

Basically the exact same situation tom caughlin of the giants was in. He was pretty much predetermined to get fired but then the giants go and win the super bowl and look where he is now. I know head coach and an offensive coordinator are different so i'm not really sure just an example

[Jamal]

[quote name='colljb9' timestamp='1322459789' post='888995']

Basically the exact same situation tom caughlin of the giants was in. He was pretty much predetermined to get fired but then the giants go and win the super bowl and look where he is now. I know head coach and an offensive coordinator are different so i'm not really sure just an example
[/quote]
Well we did cut Dilfer right after winning the SB, so its not exactly unheard of.

[BenDufusberger]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1322459330' post='888993']
Really puts us Cam haters in an awkward position.
[/quote]

I've been losing sleep thinking about it for a while now , and I wanted to make sure others were giving it some thought. Heh heh......

[indianstick]

jim harbaugh! lol

[jdynamite]

Norv Turner is my #1 choice. He is exactly like Wade Phillips great coordinator poor as a Head Coach....
People forget that Alex smith looked decent for the yr Norv was his OC before he took the Charger HC job....


Kubiak looks like he will remain with Texans due to their success and now if the team were to fall apart it would be understandable with 2 QBs and the best Defensive player being out for Yr.

[jdynamite]

[quote name='BenDufusberger' timestamp='1322458032' post='888981']
Here's what I wonder about : Let's say that upper management and ownership have already decided they'd like to make a move at OC after the season. Now , suppose the Ravens win the SB. What then?

I have to think that a SB victory would buy Cam a one year pardon , and maybe even two. How could they fire the OC that just led the team to a SB victory ?

For people who'd like to see Cam replaced , this is going to be an uncomfortable scenario to think about.
[/quote]

That would be the Best of Both Worlds Ray and Ed could win a title together... Cam becomes the "Hot" coordinator mentioned in HC discussions again... Some team either offers another HC chance or more $$$ to be their OC. Ravens get a clean break from Cam Cameron... Lol

[usmccharles]

honestly, if we win the SB i wont care either way. But for sake of discussion, it depends how we won the games in the post season, if we are putting up 400 plus yards and 30 plus points a game, hes doing something right....if we are winning the games 17-10 ish, more than likely its our defense so the question isnt exactly specific enough

[jdynamite]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1322458326' post='888986']
Here is my wish-list:

[color=#000000][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][b]Norv Turner HC SD:[/b][/size][/font][/color]
I honestly can't see the FO keeping him around after another year without making the playoffs. While hes not a very good HC, the guy is one of the best play-callers in the game. Rivers numbers are very comparable to Flacco's pre-Turner, and now hes one of the elite QB's in the NFL.

[color=#000000][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][b]Josh McDaniels OC St. Louis:[/b][/size][/font][/color]
He might be #1 on my list. Currently the OC of St. Lois, but if they end up with the worst record in the NFL, I think management might be cleaning house starting with the HC. McDaniels has been given nothing to work with other than Bradford, so I can't really blame him for the offensive woes. Theres no doubt the guy was downright pathetic as a HC and drafter, but offensively, hes truly brilliant. Tom Brady broke the TD record with McDaniles, and lets not forget this guy had Kyle Orton on pace to break Dan Marino'a record. Just look at Orton now. On top of that, this guy brings a special swagger on offense. He definitely takes from his former mentor Bill Belichick in terms of aggressiveness. Hes doesn't play not to lose. The guy is super aggressive, and Flacco and our offense are in desperate need of swagger and aggressiveness. People will point out that he doesn't run the ball very often, but thats more a product of him never really having a back he trusted.


[color=#000000][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][b]Tom Clements QB Coach GB:[/b][/size][/font][/color]
McCarthy gets all the credit, and deservingly so, but Clements is huge reason for Rodgers success. Hes a former QB, and has almost 2 decades of coaching experience. Favre saw a resurgence in his career after GB hired Clements, and almost won the MVP his last year in GB. He was also the QB coach who helped Tommy Maddox have a good year with Pittsburgh.

[color=#000000][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][b]Jim Zorn:[/b][/size][/font][/color]
We might have already burned this bridge, but Flacco wasn't happy to see Zorn go, and maybe the FO might listen to the QB for once and let Zorn become the OC, who has a system much better suited for Flacco. His tenure in Washington was bad, but this is the guy who turned Matt Hasslebeck in to the a SB QB.

At the end of the day, I'll take just about anybody over Cam.
[/quote]

Mcdaniels has an aggorance about him that just rubs me wrong, a mike martz type of arrogance that he can turn any QB into the next Kurt Warner ( Martz ) or help mold a Tom Brady ( mcdaniels ). Martz saw some success from bulger, and even had Jon kitna throwing for tons of yds ( losing ) just as Mcdaniels helped led Cassel to one really productive yr and had Orton throwing like Marino ( losing ).
I feel like he might go crazy and pass more than cam did vs Seattle...

[PurpleReign92]

I think the one that should be coaching the offense is the one that already knows our offense.... Brian Billick we would be welcoming back our only Superbowl winning coach we knew him for years... I think the only difference is we have a much better offense a younger Running-back 3 times Mason and 2 tight Ends that can actually block... Seriously and a partridge in a pear tree!

[RayRiceRunningfortheRavns]

1- Billick
2- Turner
3- McDaniels

We have the personnel for the type of offense that Billick wanted to run 2000-2006 and we have better players to fill those roles. We'd end up with a strong running attack with the looming eventuality of deep completions to Smith.

Turner developed Rivers, i'd expect him to do the same with Flacco.

McDaniels.... same as above, but i wouldn't expect RR to get much love. we would probably end up with a 65:35 pass:run ratio.

[usmccharles]

i was hoping we went after mcdaniels last year, i think if you put a leash on him and let him know his boundries he would be fine.. since we have an elite rb we HAVE to run the ball at least 20. anything less unacceptable from and OC or HC.

[PurpleReign92]

Our OC has had games that he gets his recompense but there are games were we think otherwise... The only problem is not with these types of players Cam not with these types of players... You can technically send 8 or 9 out ofthe 11 guys starting to pro bowl on any given good year..

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='BenDufusberger' timestamp='1322458647' post='888989']

That's how I'd feel , too , but that's not the question. How could it occur ? [color=#FF0000][u][b]Would they actually fire him after a SB win ?[/b][/u][/color] I just can't see that happening , much as everyone involved might like it to happen. I think we'd be stuck.
[/quote]

Our front office fired the Super Bowl winning QB, I definitely could see them firing the OC.

[Ravenslifer]

McDaniels would be a good fit, I think. He comes from the Patriot way of adapting his system to fit his players' strengths, unlike Cam Cameron, who tries to force his system onto every player. If you look back at the Broncos' 2009 season, Orton only threw when they were down and had no choice but to throw. McDaniels really tried to emphasize the run game and solid defense. The difference between him and Cam is simple - McDaniels calls more high percentage passing and running plays, and like I said he adapts his system to the players instead of the other way around. I like the idea of Jim Zorn and Tom Clements, both WC guys. Not sure how I feel about Norv. I know he's a good coordinator, but I just don't know if I want any style of Air Coryell offense, even a more adaptable one, run by this team. But, if it comes down to Norv v. Cam, it's Norv in a landslide.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1322458326' post='888986']
Here is my wish-list:

[color=#000000][font=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][size=3][b]Josh McDaniels OC St. Louis:[/b][/size][/font][/color]
He might be #1 on my list. Currently the OC of St. Lois, but if they end up with the worst record in the NFL, I think management might be cleaning house starting with the HC. McDaniels has been given nothing to work with other than Bradford, so I can't really blame him for the offensive woes. Theres no doubt the guy was downright pathetic as a HC and drafter, but offensively, hes truly brilliant. Tom Brady broke the TD record with McDaniles, and lets not forget this guy had Kyle Orton on pace to break Dan Marino'a record. Just look at Orton now. On top of that, this guy brings a special swagger on offense. He definitely takes from his former mentor Bill Belichick in terms of aggressiveness. Hes doesn't play not to lose. The guy is super aggressive, and Flacco and our offense are in desperate need of swagger and aggressiveness. People will point out that he doesn't run the ball very often, but thats more a product of him never really having a back he trusted.

[/quote]
Ehhh, I still dont trust him to pound the ball when its late in November and December in the rain/snow. And I really dont trust Flacco to run a spread offense and chuck the ball 30+ times a game. It doesnt play to our strengths on defense or the running game.

[Chris Carter]

Tom Clements or Josh McDaniels......enough said

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1322499083' post='889255']
Ehhh, I still dont trust him to pound the ball when its late in November and December in the rain/snow. And I really dont trust Flacco to run a spread offense and chuck the ball 30+ times a game. It doesnt play to our strengths on defense or the running game.
[/quote]

The thing about McDaniels is that people say he prefers to throw, but looking at his games, I think most of those attempts came from the fact that the Broncos were playing from behind most of the time. I think it's the same thing in St. Louis now, they are behind so much that they have to throw the ball. The most important thing though, is that he's NOT Cam Cameron. McDaniels is much more adaptable, and he seems to try and tailor his system to fit his personnel rather than the Cameron approach of finding ways to fit guys into his system. Even if he were brought in as purely the QB coach, he has a much better track record than Cam Cameron.

[tctony]

[quote name='Moderator 5' timestamp='1322456381' post='888961']

Let's finish this season strong. If there's still an OC issue at the end of the season, then it gets handled during the post-season.
[/quote]

Yup. Cameron has actually had a lot more good games than bad this season.

[keebl3rs]

[quote name='RayRiceRunningfortheRavns' timestamp='1322466967' post='889035']
1- Billick
2- Turner
3- McDaniels
[/quote]

If these were our only choices than I'd rather keep Cam. I'd rather find an offensive version of Chuck Pagano (under the radar or in house guy) than some other teams chopping block coordinator/coach. It's like eating a worm instead of a beetle because it, "tastes better".