Not The Best Sunday For Us

[OUravensfan]

The Eagles couldn't take down New England at home. The Browns couldn't beat the Bengals despite only having to score 6 points in the second half. Let's just hope the Chiefs can upset Pittsburgh tonight or it will be 0 for 3 this week. Thank god we won on Thursday night, getting the #1 seed is going to be tough unless we win out.

If Pitt wins tonight I'll gladly take the Pats and Bengals wins.

Now, I know we are in the driver seat to take the #1 seed, but, we have seen this year that any team can beat anyone--and we have certainly been susceptible to losing to bad teams. We have 3 division games left and a game against a good qb Rivers (albeit he has played poorly), its possibly we could lose 1 game and lose control of the division.

I am just hoping we finish like we did last year, after losing to Pitt on Sunday night we won out to go 12-4. If we do that, we might be playing in Indy because no one can beat us at home this year.

[keebl3rs]

Chiefs just blew it. Nice INT at the end to seal the deal.

Steelers didn't look so hot tonight though.

[CalvinSmoke]

[quote name='keebl3rs' timestamp='1322454456' post='888907']
Chiefs just blew it. Nice INT at the end to seal the deal.

Steelers didn't look so hot tonight though.
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I was so aggravated, i was looking forward to watching ESPN tomorrow after the Chiefs rallied to win, and hearing about how the Steelers have allowed 2 comeback victories this and how they must be getting old.... o well, mabye next week

[BenDufusberger]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1322454802' post='888924']
I was so aggravated, i was looking forward to watching ESPN tomorrow after the Chiefs rallied to win, and hearing about how the Steelers have allowed 2 comeback victories this and how they must be getting old.... o well, mabye next week [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/sleep.png[/img]
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I wanted to see the NFL TV SoundFX special on the Chiefs comeback victory , so I could hear all the Steelers on the sidelines , saying : "Who [u]are[/u] those guys ?"

[BloodRaven]

We can't rely on other teams to give us the number 1 seed, it was ours for the taking and we blew it. It's just like how we can't leave games in the refs hands.

[FerrariFan87]

Steelers still haven't beaten a good team, save for the Pats, and I'll give them Cincy since it was on the Road, but seriously, how lucky can one team be?

[hawkprey]

I know one thing, if the tiebreaker comes down to strength of victory, no one can beat us. Steelers (x2), Bengals, 49ers, Texans.

[Wallace17_OutRunMe]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1322455779' post='888948']
Steelers still haven't beaten a good team, save for the Pats, and I'll give them Cincy since it was on the Road, but seriously, how lucky can one team be?
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You cant come on here and make statements like this that the Steelers havent beaten a good team yet this season when they clearly have. The Patriots are 8-3 right now and swept the Jets a team the Ravens beat this season. So does that make the Jets not a good team then and not count as a good team that the Ravens beat?? Other then the Ravens and the Steelers who else is much better in the AFC other then the Patriots right now?? Dont sit here and tell me Houston because their QB situation now with both Schaub and Leinart out is a complete mess and without a quality QB in the playoffs I dont care how good Foster runs they arent going to make it that far. The Steelers also beat the Titans who are 6-5 and have a winning record another team the Ravens lost too...The Ravens did beat the 49ers who are 9-2 but I think the Niners arent as good as their record makes them out to be and we will see how well they do when they play the Steelers in San Fran in a few weeks...The 49ers are not a better team I think then the Patriots at this point because Alex Smith is not as good as Tom Brady and has no playoff experience what so ever...

[Natty Boh]

[quote name='Wallace17_OutRunMe' timestamp='1322485969' post='889075']
You cant come on here and make statements like this that the Steelers havent beaten a good team yet this season when they clearly have. The Patriots are 8-3 right now and swept the Jets a team the Ravens beat this season. So does that make the Jets not a good team then and not count as a good team that the Ravens beat?? Other then the Ravens and the Steelers who else is much better in the AFC other then the Patriots right now?? Dont sit here and tell me Houston because their QB situation now with both Schaub and Leinart out is a complete mess and without a quality QB in the playoffs I dont care how good Foster runs they arent going to make it that far. The Steelers also beat the Titans who are 6-5 and have a winning record another team the Ravens lost too...The Ravens did beat the 49ers who are 9-2 but I think the Niners arent as good as their record makes them out to be and we will see how well they do when they play the Steelers in San Fran in a few weeks...The 49ers are not a better team I think then the Patriots at this point because Alex Smith is not as good as Tom Brady and has no playoff experience what so ever...
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I understand your points but the Bills even beat the Patriots. The Pats have the worst defense in the NFL and no offensive threats on the outside. So a win over the Patriots this season isn't the same as a win over the Patriots 2-3 years ago. Tom Brady is still Tom Brady but he doesn't play defense.

[Wallace17_OutRunMe]

[quote name='Natty Boh' timestamp='1322486392' post='889078']
I understand your points but the Bills even beat the Patriots. The Pats have the worst defense in the NFL and no offensive threats on the outside. So a win over the Patriots this season isn't the same as a win over the Patriots 2-3 years ago.
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I agree but they are still a solid football team and still have Tom Brady and Bill Belichick on their team...And as long as they still have those 2 leading the way and breathing air the Patriots are still very dangerous team and a threat in the AFC...Aside from both the Steelers and the Ravens who is a better overall team in the AFC right now then the Patriots??

[Natty Boh]

[quote name='Wallace17_OutRunMe' timestamp='1322486698' post='889081']
I agree but they are still a solid football team and still have Tom Brady and Bill Belichick on their team...And as long as they still have those 2 leading the way and breathing air the Patriots are still very dangerous team and a threat in the AFC...Aside from both the Steelers and the Ravens who is a better overall team in the AFC right now then the Patriots??
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No doubt the Patriots are in the top 3 in the AFC but when you look around the AFC, it's not saying much this season. I would have said the Texans are better than the Patriots before they lost Matt Schaub.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='Wallace17_OutRunMe' timestamp='1322485969' post='889075']
[u][i][b]You cant come on here and make statements like this that the Steelers havent beaten a good team yet this season[/b][/i][/u] when they clearly have. The Patriots are 8-3 right now and swept the Jets a team the Ravens beat this season. So does that make the Jets not a good team then and not count as a good team that the Ravens beat?? Other then the Ravens and the Steelers who else is much better in the AFC other then the Patriots right now?? Dont sit here and tell me Houston because their QB situation now with both Schaub and Leinart out is a complete mess and without a quality QB in the playoffs I dont care how good Foster runs they arent going to make it that far. The Steelers also beat the Titans who are 6-5 and have a winning record another team the Ravens lost too...The Ravens did beat the 49ers who are 9-2 but I think the Niners arent as good as their record makes them out to be and we will see how well they do when they play the Steelers in San Fran in a few weeks...[u][i][b]The 49ers are not a better team I think then the Patriots at this point because Alex Smith is not as good as Tom Brady and has no playoff experience what so ever...[/b][/i][/u]
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I beg to differ. Anyone can "come on here" and say anything they want about the squealers and their opponents. This is a Ravens forum and, obviously, the opinions will be tilted against the squealers.

I don't agree that the pats are not a "good" team, but they are by no means the team they have been in the past. Their D is not good and they don't have the "lights out" O they once had. And I do think the niners are a better squad than the pats. They have a great defense, a solid running game and a serviceable qb; A much more balanced team than the pats. Smith does not have playoff experience, but the squealers will not be playing them in the playoffs and should have a tough time in SF.

[ravens88]

when the steelers lost to the texans they were a good team they had schaub them losing players now doesnt change the fact that when the steelers lost they were a good team. and the patriots sweeping the jets doesnt mean anything cause we swept the steelers and lost to seahawks so your gunna tell me the seahawks are now better then pittsburgh and would win that game to?

[JEEPercreepermd]

The fact of thw matter here is that the Ravens are in the driver's seat for the AFC. We have to win out to garauntee a 1st round bye.
The Patriots dont scare me at all. if anyone watched them play philly yesterday, phillys offense moved the ball all day on the pats, but vince young was terrible in the red zone, and jackson dropped 2 td passes. Philly's defense is just terrible as well.
Really, the one team left on our schedule that scares me is cincy, good news is that game may have no divisional implications by then if they lose to pit and we win out up until then.

[Runnin Raven]

The fact that this team has no wiggle room might be a (painful) blessing in disguise. I don't know if they truly realized that losing even 1 game is unacceptable. That's the only way you win a SB. Win out.

[I AM LEGEND]

Yea not 1 good thing happened yesterday..not 1...unless u wanna count Texans losing Leinart..and I hate to count injuries as positives but they just are..

The fact of the matter is...I'm not confident at all..if we can get the pats or steelers to drop 1 game here in the upcoming weeks id be pleased.

The Steelers have an extremely easy schedule if they can past the bengals and 49ers...and imho they will..and the pats have it even easier unless the Bills still have their # which I doubt.

Surprisingly even with the QB situation in Houston I can still see them winning the division but I can see them dropping maybe 1 or 2 more in the process..eliminating them from a bye.

The question is our beloved Ravens.....no one and I mean NO ONE should be able to look themselves in the mirror and say their confident about any remaining game on the schedule after what we've seen this year...with that said In my heart of hearts I think we get past the next 2 weeks..our issue then lies with can we win out in SD against a still very good QB who regardless of his stats people know he can bring it...or that last game of the year with the bengals in Cinncy..

I really think the Ravens will NOT win out..their just too inconsistent.

However with the way things shape up..does going to Houston or Oakland in the first round scare anyone..

Unfortunately guys this season is shaping up like the last couple ones..a second round matchup with the hated Steelers or a Foxboro trip.

I hope the Ravens prove me wrong..

[Wallace17_OutRunMe]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1322491050' post='889119']
Yea not 1 good thing happened yesterday..not 1...unless u wanna count Texans losing Leinart..and I hate to count injuries as positives but they just are..

The fact of the matter is...I'm not confident at all..if we can get the pats or steelers to drop 1 game here in the upcoming weeks id be pleased.

The Steelers have an extremely easy schedule if they can past the bengals and 49ers...and imho they will..and the pats have it even easier unless the Bills still have their # which I doubt.

Surprisingly even with the QB situation in Houston I can still see them winning the division but I can see them dropping maybe 1 or 2 more in the process..eliminating them from a bye.

The question is our beloved Ravens.....no one and I mean NO ONE should be able to look themselves in the mirror and say their confident about any remaining game on the schedule after what we've seen this year...with that said In my heart of hearts I think we get past the next 2 weeks..our issue then lies with can we win out in SD against a still very good QB who regardless of his stats people know he can bring it...or that last game of the year with the bengals in Cinncy..

I really think the Ravens will NOT win out..their just too inconsistent.

However with the way things shape up..does going to Houston or Oakland in the first round scare anyone..

Unfortunately guys this season is shaping up like the last couple ones..a second round matchup with the hated Steelers or a Foxboro trip.

I hope the Ravens prove me wrong..
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I think the Ravens will get by both the Browns and the Colts the next 2 weeks and I think the Steelers while it will be a very very tough game will get by the Bengals at home this Sunday as well. Much like you I think it will come down to that weekend where both the Ravens and Steelers are on the West Coast on back to back nights with the Ravens going to San Diego on Sunday night December 18th, and the Steelers playing in San Francisco the following night on Monday night football. I think if both teams with their respective games that weekend it will then come down to whether or not the Ravens can beat the Bengals in Cincy the final day of the regular season on New Years Day because I just do not see the Steelers losing to either the Rams at home or the Browns on the road their last 2 games of the season. If the Steelers get by the Bengals this weekend the schedule definitely is more in their favor the last 4 games I believe then it is for the Ravens...

[Twistidfunk]

Yeah, yesterday was a rough one as far as we are concerned. Seems like every one of those games yesterday could have benefitted the Ravens but didn't. This is the time of the season where teams really separate and the playoff picture develops. We are in a great position but it also seems like a repeat of other seasons.... I admit is is in the back of my head. The Ravens really need to win this thing out. I think they are capable of beating anyone but for some reason they have these damn let down games that could utterly destroy us for playoff homefield advantage.

The one team I do not want to see again is Pittsburgh. I know we beat 'em twice but 3 times in one season is exteremely hard....and if we do see them again it will probably be in Pittsburgh....sigh.

I could see the steelers losing to the 49ers in SanFran which would be huge for us. Cinci is no pushover this season either. Big Big weekend coming up!

[PuRock]

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1322491050' post='889119']
Yea not 1 good thing happened yesterday..not 1...unless u wanna count Texans losing Leinart..and I hate to count injuries as positives but they just are..

The fact of the matter is...I'm not confident at all..if we can get the pats or steelers to drop 1 game here in the upcoming weeks id be pleased.

[b]The Steelers have an extremely easy schedule if they can past the bengals and 49ers...and imho they will..and the pats have it even easier unless the Bills still have their # which I doubt.[/b]

Surprisingly even with the QB situation in Houston I can still see them winning the division but I can see them dropping maybe 1 or 2 more in the process..eliminating them from a bye.

The question is our beloved Ravens.....no one and I mean NO ONE should be able to look themselves in the mirror and say their confident about any remaining game on the schedule after what we've seen this year...with that said In my heart of hearts I think we get past the next 2 weeks..our issue then lies with can we win out in SD against a still very good QB who regardless of his stats people know he can bring it...or that last game of the year with the bengals in Cinncy..

I really think the Ravens will NOT win out..their just too inconsistent.

However with the way things shape up..does going to Houston or Oakland in the first round scare anyone..

Unfortunately guys this season is shaping up like the last couple ones..a second round matchup with the hated Steelers or a Foxboro trip.

I hope the Ravens prove me wrong..
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Those are both very tough games. Going to San Fran will be tough. I remember when Pitt went to the west coast late in the season a few years ago and lost to a bad Raiders team. The fact that the Steelers struggled on the road against KC last night shows how hard the game in San Fran will be.

I'm glad we got the San Fran game behind us. But we did lay out how to beat San Fran for Pitt with our style of blitzing

[Twistidfunk]

Yeah, we did expose the 49er offense but I think Jim Harbaugh will make the adjustments. Max protections and probably sneaking Gore out for dump offs. I was expecting those all game but it never happened. I think the Ravens were just too fast

[Wallace17_OutRunMe]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1322493819' post='889163']

Those are both very tough games. Going to San Fran will be tough. I remember when Pitt went to the west coast late in the season a few years ago and lost to a bad Raiders team. The fact that the Steelers struggled on the road against KC last night shows how hard the game in San Fran will be.

I'm glad we got the San Fran game behind us. But we did lay out how to beat San Fran for Pitt with our style of blitzing
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They did struggle in KC last night but the way they played in that game last night will have nothing to do with the way they play in the game against the Niners in a few weeks. Ill admit they probably took the Chiefs a little bit for granted last night with a guy like Palko playing and the Chiefs coming off a short week and the Steelers having a bye week. The Steelers play a Thursday night game before they play the Niners so that means they will have 10 or 11 days to prepare for them seeing that the game with Frisco is on a Monday night. They will not take a team like the Niners lightly and most likely will have their entire defense back on the field for that game with guys like Woodley,Harrison and Polamalu. It will still be a very tough game for the Steelers to win in San Fran no doubt but I am not scared to death of that game by any means...The Niners had better play a whole helluva alot better then they did the other night against the Ravens if they hope to have any chance of beating the Steelers. I dont care whether the game is in San Fran or not.

[PuRock]

[quote name='Wallace17_OutRunMe' timestamp='1322494380' post='889177']
They did struggle in KC last night but the way they played in that game last night will have nothing to do with the way they play in the game against the Niners in a few weeks. Ill admit they probably took the Chiefs a little bit for granted last night with a guy like Palko playing and the Chiefs coming off a short week and the Steelers having a bye week. The Steelers play a Thursday night game before they play the Niners so that means they will have 10 or 11 days to prepare for them seeing that the game with Frisco is on a Monday night. They will not take a team like the Niners lightly and most likely will have their entire defense back on the field for that game with guys like Woodley,Harrison and Polamalu. It will still be a very tough game for the Steelers to win in San Fran no doubt but I am not scared to death of that game by any means...The Niners had better play a whole helluva alot better then they did the other night against the Ravens if they hope to have any chance of beating the Steelers. I dont care whether the game is in San Fran or not.
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I don't think you should be scared of the 49ers. I do think the Steelers will find a way to win. But I can see the 49ers winning as well. I think the Steelers style of play (especially on offense) matches against the 49ers well.

49ers struggle with bringing the QB down if he moves around the pocket. Big Ben won't be sacked. 49ers also struggle with big pass plays. Brown and Wallace will make them pay. The thing the 49ers do the best is stopping the run. Which the Steelers can rely without.

So the Steelers offense matches the 49ers D very well. But they are very opportunistic on D.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Wallace17_OutRunMe' timestamp='1322494380' post='889177']
They did struggle in KC last night but the way they played in that game last night will have nothing to do with the way they play in the game against the Niners in a few weeks. Ill admit they probably took the Chiefs a little bit for granted last night with a guy like Palko playing and the Chiefs coming off a short week and the Steelers having a bye week. The Steelers play a Thursday night game before they play the Niners so that means they will have 10 or 11 days to prepare for them seeing that the game with Frisco is on a Monday night. They will not take a team like the Niners lightly and most likely will have their entire defense back on the field for that game with guys like Woodley,Harrison and Polamalu. It will still be a very tough game for the Steelers to win in San Fran no doubt but I am not scared to death of that game by any means...[b]The Niners had better play a whole helluva alot better then they did the other night against the Ravens if they hope to have any chance of beating the Steelers. I dont care whether the game is in San Fran or not.[/b]
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Well, lets see if your D can do what we did! You say it like San Fran played poorly, instead of the Ravens playing lights out. But, I didnt expect anything different from you

[Wallace17_OutRunMe]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1322494775' post='889185']
Well, lets see if your D can do what we did! You say it like San Fran played poorly, instead of the Ravens playing lights out. But, I didnt expect anything different from you [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/wink.png[/img]
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The Ravens D was awesome on Thursday night no doubt. If the Ravens D plays like that the rest of the season they will be very very tough to beat... With that being said, Im still not sold on Alex Smith being that great of a QB and the 49ers being a really great team. The Ravens D before the Niners game the previous 3 games with the Steelers,Seahawks,and Bengals did not look very good at all late in the game in the 4th quarter when they had numerous chances to close the games out, and blew big leads in both the Steelers and Bengals games and got bailed out by Flacco and the offense.

[Twistidfunk]

Yes the 49ers are a tad over rated and Alex Smith is what he is - a poor Qb - but I am hoping the home field will help them against the Steelers especially after seeing them the past few games. That Cinci game was extremely close, as was ours. We both could have lost those games.


The 49er offense is quite bad but ofcourse we made it look that way.

[sflegend89]

Pitt played just as bad as we did against Jax, Tenn, or Seattle. They are really fortunate they played a Palko led chiefs team tonight. I think even with just Cassell playing they lose that game. Classic Pitt catching every brake in a game they probably deserved to lose, but of course Ben's horrible game and int isn't a big deal on ESPN. If Flacco has this same game he's a bum, but when Ben plays like this, it's an "off night". Oh brother..

[Wallace17_OutRunMe]

[quote name='sflegend89' timestamp='1322497573' post='889237']
Pitt played just as bad as we did against Jax, Tenn, or Seattle. They are really fortunate they played a Palko led chiefs team tonight. I think even with just Cassell playing they lose that game. Classic Pitt catching every brake in a game they probably deserved to lose, but of course Ben's horrible game and int isn't a big deal on ESPN. If Flacco has this same game he's a bum, but when Ben plays like this, it's an "off night". Oh brother..
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When Joe Flacco leads his team to 3 Super Bowl appearances in 6 seasons and wins 2 of them and wins his team the division consistently year in and year out and advances further in the playoffs then the first wildcard game maybe he will start getting the respect and slack that a guy like Ben Roethlisberger or Tom Brady gets. Until he can get the Ravens to that point he wont get the respect or credit that someone like Ben Roethlisberger gets...

[FerrariFan87]

Roethlisberger had the worst QB rating in SB history for a winning QB in his first one. They won that first one in spite of him... the second one was Ben being Ben, but still not mind blowing. He still deserves a lot of credit for getting there, but his performances in them are way overrated.

[Natty Boh]

[quote name='Wallace17_OutRunMe' timestamp='1322500295' post='889261']
When Joe Flacco leads his team to 3 Super Bowl appearances in 6 seasons and wins 2 of them and wins his team the division consistently year in and year out and advances further in the playoffs then the first wildcard game maybe he will start getting the respect and slack that a guy like Ben Roethlisberger or Tom Brady gets. Until he can get the Ravens to that point he wont get the respect or credit that someone like Ben Roethlisberger gets...
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Does Joe Flacco have to sexually assault two innocent women (that we know of) to get that kind of "respect" as well? Sorry! Couldn't resist. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/tongue.png[/img]

[flynismo]

[quote name='Wallace17_OutRunMe' timestamp='1322485969' post='889075']
You cant come on here and make statements like this that the Steelers havent beaten a good team yet this season when they clearly have. The Patriots are 8-3 right now and swept the Jets a team the Ravens beat this season. So does that make the Jets not a good team then and not count as a good team that the Ravens beat?? Other then the Ravens and the Steelers who else is much better in the AFC other then the Patriots right now?? Dont sit here and tell me Houston because their QB situation now with both Schaub and Leinart out is a complete mess and without a quality QB in the playoffs I dont care how good Foster runs they arent going to make it that far. The Steelers also beat the Titans who are 6-5 and have a winning record another team the Ravens lost too...The Ravens did beat the 49ers who are 9-2 but I think the Niners arent as good as their record makes them out to be and we will see how well they do when they play the Steelers in San Fran in a few weeks...The 49ers are not a better team I think then the Patriots at this point because Alex Smith is not as good as Tom Brady and has no playoff experience what so ever...
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wow...how did you get negged 4 times for that?
I pretty much agree with everything you said. In my opinion, the top three teams are Ravens, Steelers and NE, in that order.