Something I Have Noticed About Ray Rice

[PeRK82]

Anyone notice that Rice is a bit slower now that he has put on what seems to look like 25 pounds of muscle compared to his rookie season.

I hate to say this but is Ray on the Juice, I used to work out hard core and anyone who has, knows how hard it is to gain weight let alone muscle (didnt matter how much Ester and food i ate), I know he has professional help more than likely to keep weight and what not. I remember i was losing weight and it was very frustrating. (i may be wrong)

Anyways this isnt a post to talk about RICE on the Juice, im talking about Rice being slower now.

I came across this video and it confirmed it imo.

go to 1 30 , its the pats play off game, where Rice ran it in for a TD and man he looked fast as hell. Also look how much smaller he is, its very noticeable.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/user/2000ravensthug#p/u/5/DZ5xIL6htpE"]http://www.youtube.c...u/5/DZ5xIL6htpE[/url]


On a side note, i think alot, i mean ALOT of Star football players are on the Roids, thats why the Testing is being delayed so they have time to get it out of their system for next yr.

Mark my words, just watch how many Players lose weight next season.

[wolfpack]

Remember when Tavares Gooden chased down Adrian Peterson a couple of years ago? And we all know that AP is not a slow guy. What im trying to say is that you just can't run full speed on every play, you get a bit tired and sore after getting hit by people all day. So i wouldn't put to much into it.

[arnie_uk]

your opening a whole can of worms here lol. i started a thread a while back about this aswell after reading on anthor forum that a fan thought maybe ray lewis was on steriods because hes stayed at such a high level for so long, it wasnt even my own opinion, i quoted what this fellow said and it still didnt go down to well... its hard to know, maybe they are just atheltic freaks of nature and pump weights twice a day in the offseason and it works but ill def agree that alot of people are on steriods.. but im not sure RR is, he just seems so, i duno what the word here is, innocent? maybe i duno

[PeRK82]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1322437338' post='888248']
[b]your opening a whole can of worms here lol.[/b] i started a thread a while back about this aswell after reading on anthor forum that a fan thought maybe ray lewis was on steriods because hes stayed at such a high level for so long, it wasnt even my own opinion, i quoted what this fellow said and it still didnt go down to well... its hard to know, maybe they are just atheltic freaks of nature and pump weights twice a day in the offseason and it works but ill def agree that alot of people are on steriods.. but im not sure RR is, he just seems so, [b]i duno what the word here is, innocent[/b]? maybe i duno
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Oh i know, i ve noticed this since last yr. I know Rice has great burst because of how short he is and he cant run as fast as someone else that is taller because of their stride would be longer.

My main question is, do you think he is Slower now that he has put on a decent amount of weight.

Oh and i dont think innocence has anything to do with it, i dont look at roids as a bad thing. Heck its actually legal, just not in sports. Steroids have gotten a bad rap, ive never taken them but i did think about it. Steroids actually do alot more than you think, in good ways. Your immune system sky rockets and of course if you get hurt , you recover a lot faster. Thats why they sometimes give you roids after surgery to help recover.

[TDubbs]

Rice knew that he needed to add the weight. He wants to have as long of a career as possible being an every down back who can be relied on to pass block. Look at Michael Turner, Same height but that dude is almost 250 pounds. He plays every down, runs between the tackles and outside. At Rices height its hard for him to hit a home run 80 yarder like a taller back as in a McFadden can. Rice is a much more consistent back though, elite lateral movement, excellent explosiveness, hes the most dangerous back in the passing game (although an argument can be made for Arian). Im all for Rice gaining this weight and in the years to come, that is what is going to preserve his career in the long run he needs the padding.

To even suggest Rice is on the juice is a joke. He is an elite athlete with pro trainers and nutritionists, its not like a regular person trying to bulk up he has every resource available for recovery. Also, shorter guys are notorious for being able to gain weight because there stature and length of limbs allows them to push heavier weights.

[CalvinSmoke]

First, that was almost 3 years ago, and Ray Rice isn't THAT much bigger than he was in that video.
second, Rice was no faster there than he is now. Rice turns on the burners a lot, especially early in the game just like in that Wildcard game against the Patriots. For example in the past 2 games against the Steelers he's gone all the way, and those plays looked just like that one.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1322437742' post='888257']
First, that was almost 3 years ago, and Ray Rice isn't THAT much bigger than he was in that video.
second, Rice was no faster there than he is now. Rice turns on the burners a lot, especially early in the game just like in that Wildcard game against the Patriots.[b] For example in the past 2 games against the Steelers he's gone all the way[/b], and those plays looked just like that one.
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oh im not deny that, but look how many times he got caught from behind too.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1322437543' post='888254']


Oh i know, i ve noticed this since last yr. I know Rice has great burst because of how short he is and he cant run as fast as someone else that is taller because of their stride would be longer.

My main question is, do you think he is Slower now that he has put on a decent amount of weight.

Oh and i dont think innocence has anything to do with it, i dont look at roids as a bad thing. Heck its actually legal, just not in sports. Steroids have gotten a bad rap, ive never taken them but i did think about it. Steroids actually do alot more than you think, in good ways. Your immune system sky rockets and of course if you get hurt , you recover a lot faster. Thats why they sometimes give you roids after surgery to help recover.
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i suppose its sceintific fact if your hauling more weight your not going to move as fast.. but i dont think rice has hit that weight yet were hell start to slow done, if he added 20 more pounds then yes he will get slower as a direct result, but the way hes built and the power in his legs, i think he can carry his current weight well and not let it affect his speed.. as someone said hes had a fewlong runs this year and no one has got near him, he may just have been tired and out ot gas against the bengals when he didnt make it in.

[arnie_uk]

but you can pretty much guarentee there will be someone on the ravens hit by these new tests, unless they have it out of there system, you just really hope its not one of the stars and is a rotation/back guy eg an ellerbe or zibby... i think if suggs lewis or reed failed id never watch nfl again, just destroy all trust in sports stars that these people are actually the greatest athletes in the world and the best at what they do.. because if they are on steriods whats to say me or you cant take them and be as much as an athelete as these stars.. but i believe the big names are legit and are just terrific athletes..

[PeRK82]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1322438328' post='888268']
but you can pretty much guarentee there will be someone on the ravens hit by these new tests, unless they have it out of there system, you just really hope its not one of the stars and is a rotation/back guy eg an ellerbe or zibby... i think if suggs lewis or reed failed id never watch nfl again, just destroy all trust in sports stars that these people are actually the greatest athletes in the world and the best at what they do.. because if they are on steriods whats to say me or you cant take them and be as much as an athelete as these stars.. but i believe the big names are legit and are just terrific athletes..
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Thats why the NFL has been fighting the HGH testing with the Gov. and trying to wait til next season for it to go into affect with heavier testing because alot of STAR PLAYERS, big names are taking these. Its not a needle anymore, it comes in any form.

[CalvinSmoke]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1322437962' post='888263']

oh im not deny that, but look how many times he got caught from behind too.
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Rice has never been a blazer, and he was nearly caught in that video lol. But I get your point, who knows. Only time will tell.

[D_UP]

What is the point of this post? Do people sit at home looking for ways to speak negatively about people? And if your theory is correct what does it prove? This post in my opinion is not constructive at all.

[K-Dog]

The only juice Rice is on is Tropicanna.

[jdynamite]

Well Rice even at Rutgers seemed like work-horse back than a break long runs type of back.... He often ran the ball 30-40 times in College games and even with his success at this level, he still has had doubters that he could carry a full load alone game in and out for 25 carries a game... But the NFL has more 2 back systems now than in the past so that doesn't matter as much, plus the mold of Rice's body has always been more of muscular little man (Jones-Drew) also rather than the little scat back type of body (Sproles)

Rice has never had true break away speed, but also on some runs he wants to attack the defender, rather than use a better angle to get more yardage..... (like should a player make a cut back or continue running diagonally toward endzone type of thing)

[scrock]

Rice has never been the fastest guy....he's run hard through holes at times and other times you have to be patient and let it develop

Ray can still run like he always has....

[The King]

First of all, if you wanna make a post asking if everyone thinks RR is on steroids, then just make the topic. Don't start by saying you think he's juicing, then say that's not what this thread is about, and then go back to the steroids as the topic of your post. It's a weak way to do business.

Second of all, Rice is not a guy with straight line speed. Coming out of college we all knew that. What he has is great acceleration and the ability to make some of the fastest cuts in the business. He added some weight between his rookie and sophomore years in order to prevent getting injured like he did as a rookie and so he could compete for the starting spot as an every down back by going between the tackles, and he's added more since then so he can push the ball on the goal line.

The guy is a pro athlete. In the offseason, working out is his only job. Gaining muscle is tough to do, but when you're doing it full time it becomes a lot easier. And while it may be slowing him down a bit, which I don't necessarily believe having seen him go on the first play against the Steelers, I would trade a bit of the breakaway speed for a consistent back who can pound the ball in on the goal line.

[hawkprey]

Ray Rice was never beating anyone in a footrace. He gets caught all the time when he breaks a big run.

Besides, steroids don't make you gain weight. Eating does.

[reediddy]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1322439668' post='888285']
[b]Rice has never been a blazer[/b], and he was nearly caught in that video lol. But I get your point, who knows. Only time will tell.
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I agree, and he never has to be. I'd much rather he be on the bigger side and more durable (which he is, a la MJD) than be smaller, quicker, faster but more injury-prone (a la Best)

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1322436703' post='888239']
Anyone notice that Rice is a bit slower now that he has put on what seems to look like 25 pounds of muscle compared to his rookie season.

I hate to say this but is Ray on the Juice, I used to work out hard core and anyone who has, knows how hard it is to gain weight let alone muscle (didnt matter how much Ester and food i ate), I know he has professional help more than likely to keep weight and what not. I remember i was losing weight and it was very frustrating. (i may be wrong)

Anyways this isnt a post to talk about RICE on the Juice, im talking about Rice being slower now. I came across this video and it confirmed it imo. go to 1 30 , its the pats play off game, where Rice ran it in for a TD and man he looked fast as hell. Also look how much smaller he is, its very noticeable.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/user/2000ravensthug#p/u/5/DZ5xIL6htpE"]http://www.youtube.c...u/5/DZ5xIL6htpE[/url]

On a side note, i think alot, i mean ALOT of Star football players are on the Roids, thats why the Testing is being delayed so they have time to get it out of their system for next yr.

Mark my words, just watch how many Players lose weight next season.
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[PeRK82]

[quote name='arnie_uk' timestamp='1322437338' post='888248']
[b]your opening a whole can of worms here lol[/b]. i started a thread a while back about this aswell after reading on anthor forum that a fan thought maybe ray lewis was on steriods because hes stayed at such a high level for so long, it wasnt even my own opinion, i quoted what this fellow said and it still didnt go down to well... its hard to know, maybe they are just atheltic freaks of nature and pump weights twice a day in the offseason and it works but ill def agree that alot of people are on steriods.. but im not sure RR is, he just seems so, i duno what the word here is, innocent? maybe i duno
[/quote]

lolol man you werent lying, lol geez. Some of you guys are getting mad like he your freaking brother. First i could give a ratz A if he was juicing, i personally think everyone should take them as a daily supplement for just the Health benefits alone.

Some of you act like Roids are so taboo, well they arnt. No matter what i would say to back it, wouldnt change your mind the slightest so i wont even bother. Its like talking to a religious fanatic about the possibility of there not being a man upstairs.

[Natty Boh]

Ray Rice has never been a speed demon. Quick and agile but never very fast as far as RB's go.

[indianstick]

first of all the video is on point haha second of all
[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1322437543' post='888254']


Oh i know, i ve noticed this since last yr. I know Rice has great burst because of how short he is and he cant run as fast as someone else that is taller because of their stride would be longer.

My main question is, do you think he is Slower now that he has put on a decent amount of weight.

Oh and i dont think innocence has anything to do with it, i dont look at roids as a bad thing. Heck its actually legal, just not in sports. Steroids have gotten a bad rap, ive never taken them but i did think about it. Steroids actually do alot more than you think, in good ways. Your immune system sky rockets and of course if you get hurt , you recover a lot faster. Thats why they sometimes give you roids after surgery to help recover.
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Steroids have one of the worst side effects of any drugs. Not only do they slowly deteriorate your bones and body, gynecomastia which are breasts, testicular atrophy, high blood pressure and high cholesterol and it can change the structure of the left ventricle....annnnnnnnnny wayssss

Rice is not using steroids, and he has never been a straight away speed guy. I think he ran in the late 4.4s in the combine and he has def bulked up since his rookie season which is the result of him working out 24/7 because that's all has been doing since his rookie season to prevent injury (like Theking mentioned above). He has ridiculous work ethic and that's why i think he hasn't reached his prime yet at all. The kid is going to keep gettting better, esp if he starts doing them sandddd workouts like sugar ray has been telling him to do

[The Raven]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1322436703' post='888239']
Anyone notice that Rice is a bit slower now that he has put on what seems to look like 25 pounds of muscle compared to his rookie season. [b]Okay. So he's bigger. He still looks fast to me, and I'm sure a good bit of that supposed "25" pounds is in his legs. Also, a strong, dense core and a strong upperbody can make you faster. I read this somewhere, if I find the link I'll post it, [/b]

I hate to say this but is Ray on the Juice, I used to work out hard core and anyone who has, knows how hard it is to gain weight let alone muscle (didnt matter how much Ester and food i ate), I know he has professional help more than likely to keep weight and what not. I remember i was losing weight and it was very frustrating. (i may be wrong) [b]I work out too, and I don't see your point. I've been able to gain weight and muscle fairly easy.[/b]

Anyways this isnt a post to talk about RICE on the Juice, im talking about Rice being slower now.
[b]He's not slower.[/b]
I came across this video and it confirmed it imo.

go to 1 30 , its the pats play off game, where Rice ran it in for a TD and man he looked fast as hell. Also look how much smaller he is, its very noticeable.

[url="http://www.youtube.com/user/2000ravensthug#p/u/5/DZ5xIL6htpE"]http://www.youtube.c...u/5/DZ5xIL6htpE[/url]


On a side note, i think alot, i mean ALOT of Star football players are on the Roids, thats why the Testing is being delayed so they have time to get it out of their system for next yr.

Mark my words, just watch how many Players lose weight next season.
[b]Your crazy[/b]
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OP, what you're suggesting is just absurd.

[The King]

It's not about whether steroids are good for people. It's a matter of fact that they are against the NFL's rules, and suggesting that Ray Rice would knowingly cheat is something which a lot of fans find offensive, considering that he's a huge fan favorite.

Also, and I beg people not to pursue this line of argument because it will get this thread shut down for being off topic, you seem to be ignoring that there are a lot of drawbacks to steroid usage as far as health is concerned.

[indianstick]

[quote name='The King' timestamp='1322445058' post='888428']
It's not about whether steroids are good for people. It's a matter of fact that they are against the NFL's rules, and suggesting that Ray Rice would knowingly cheat is something which a lot of fans find offensive, considering that he's a huge fan favorite.

Also, and I beg people not to pursue this line of argument because it will get this thread shut down for being off topic,[b] you seem to be ignoring that there are a lot of drawbacks to steroid usage as far as health is concerned.[/b]
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i get what your saying, i just wanted to make sure i pointed that out

BUT i know i would be upset if he did do them, but half the reason why i don't think he does is because he is too innocent and hasn't made a dumb decision in his life and he's been through too much to make stupid decisions in life. and the other half of the reason why i don't think he does them is bc of his ridiculous work ethic

[MLGWL20]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1322436703' post='888239']
Anyone notice that Rice is a bit slower now that he has put on what seems to look like 25 pounds of muscle compared to his rookie season.

I hate to say this but is Ray on the Juice, I used to work out hard core and anyone who has, knows how hard it is to gain weight let alone muscle (didnt matter how much Ester and food i ate), I know he has professional help more than likely to keep weight and what not. I remember i was losing weight and it was very frustrating. (i may be wrong)
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I just gained 25 pounds of muscle in the past 2 months and thats without nearly enough food and only hittin the gym 2-4 times a week. Im pretty sure someone with the money and resources that RR has they'd be able to do the same.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1322445022' post='888427']




OP, what you're suggesting is just absurd.
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That pretty much sums it up.

[ball hawkin 20]

ray rice isn't fast to begin with...only thing holding the man back

[The Raven]

To those that remember it, do you think this deserves a -100? Hahaha.

[Tiz]

Ray is on juice because his body style allows him to gain muscle easier than the op...lol