A Quote From A Steelers Fan

[scrock]

Just found this from Yahoo, I thought it was interesting..

[quote]"Robert Wed Nov 09, 2011 10:52 pm PST

Somebody better start taking this Flacco kid seriously, and soon. I'm a Steeler fan too, but this guy is the real deal folks and we better learn that quickly. It's tough to get beat by a dork, but it will happen more and more if the league doesn't start paying attention. God help us all if they ever get an offensive coordinator in Baltimore."[/quote]

funny, even Steelers fans think our offense should be much more explosive

Now I don't mean to start a Cam bashing thread, just thought it interesting to see this outside perspective of our offense

Cam has called great game plans in the past but he's also had some head scratchers and doesn't always make adjustments

[DMH_in_WA]

While Steelers fans make me want to punch babies, it doesn't surprise me. Those who pay attention to football can pretty easily see when Cam is mis-using personnel. As they said on NFL Network during a segment (forgive me, I can't remember which analyst), 'Yes, he moved Boldin into the slot. Why are we praising Cam Cameron for finally doing what everybody else already knew he should be doing?'

Kind of sums up what a lot of us think.

[reediddy]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1322377862' post='887733']
While Steelers fans make me want to punch babies, it doesn't surprise me. Those who pay attention to football can pretty easily see when Cam is mis-using personnel. As they said on NFL Network during a segment (forgive me, I can't remember which analyst), 'Yes, he moved Boldin into the slot. Why are we praising Cam Cameron for finally doing what everybody else already knew he should be doing?'

Kind of sums up what a lot of us think.
[/quote]

Boldin was dominating in the slot early on. I think we as fans need to be less critical of Cam. Sure, he is considered (CONSIDERED) a very good OC in this league, but fact is his playcalling is what screwed us in our 3 losses. He has figured that out slowly but surely over the past 2 weeks, showing good balance in gearing our offense towards December, heavy runs and light passing highlighted by the play action. I'm curious to see how he attacks the league's #1 pass defense next week

[neoi78]

Cam, Cam, Cam.. Blah blah blah. Its on the players too, as far as the losses are concerned. The team wins, and loses together.

[scrock]

You got to admit sometimes Cam doesn't use his personnel right, and sometimes he doesn't make the necessary adjustments

like in the Houston game, we kept running the outside zone scheme...it took until the 4th quarter and Leach, Rice, and the RB coach to go to Cam and tell him to run it inside

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='neoi78' timestamp='1322380407' post='887745']
Cam, Cam, Cam.. Blah blah blah. Its on the players too, as far as the losses are concerned. The team wins, and loses together.
[/quote]


I agree. Players should be held accountable, but it is up to the coordinators and coaches to put the players in the position to succeed and win. 3rd and goal from the 4 and calling a quarterback draw up the middle with Joe Flacco against the best run defense in the NFL is not putting your players in a position to succeed. Go to your player's strengths.

Of course, if Dickson makes his block in the play before, we probably aren't discussing the QB draw at all; but this isn't some isolated incident. It's 4 years of questionable and at times outright ridiculous calls in crucial situations. My opinion, if you disagree .. that's fine. It is what it is.

[neoi78]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1322382516' post='887750']


I agree. Players should be held accountable, but it is up to the coordinators and coaches to put the players in the position to succeed and win. 3rd and goal from the 4 and calling a quarterback draw up the middle with Joe Flacco against the best run defense in the NFL is not putting your players in a position to succeed. Go to your player's strengths.

Of course, if Dickson makes his block in the play before, we probably aren't discussing the QB draw at all; but this isn't some isolated incident. It's 4 years of questionable and at times outright ridiculous calls in crucial situations. My opinion, if you disagree .. that's fine. It is what it is.
[/quote]

If it would have worked, as you say, we would say Cam called the best game of his carrier in Baltimore. How often do we run that? NEVER. Why would the 49'ers expect that? Too bad tonight on NFL sound Effects, it showed patrick willias DID expect it, and even called out the play before the snap. Oh well, if it would have worked, Cam would be a "genius"! But it didn't, so hes an idiot. LOL

PS sorry for spelling its late and im going to bed.. now! =)

[Neal Could Block the SUN!!]

[quote name='neoi78' timestamp='1322383080' post='887753']

If it would have worked, as you say, we would say Cam called the best game of his carrier in Baltimore. How often do we run that? NEVER. Why would the 49'ers expect that? Too bad tonight on NFL sound Effects, it showed patrick willias DID expect it, and even called out the play before the snap. Oh well, if it would have worked, Cam would be a "genius"! But it didn't, so hes an idiot. LOL

PS sorry for spelling its late and im going to bed.. now! =)
[/quote]

Disagree-
In Seattle Cam called that TD pass from Rice to Dickson and it was received as a dumb play that he got lucky on. Cam does not have faith in this teams abilities and you can see it in his play calling. I notice that when we are pinned back behind the 20 he always seems to call plays that have a low probability of moving the ball. Seemingly he is trying to get the punter a better position than drive 90+ yards and score some points.

I seriously think that the best thing about Cam is that he isn't Billick calling the plays!

[Irish Raven]

The OC gets blamed too often

As said, if Ed Dickson made the block, the outside run was a TD but too many sitting back and crying "dumb call Cam". Not realy on this thread, more on the gameday thread

Anyway, it's nothing unique to the Ravens, goes on with lots of teams
Steelers Fever have a sticky thread with over four hundred posts calling for their OC to be sacked

I mean, Steelers offense is not bad at all

A teams worst critics are always their own fans

[Neal Could Block the SUN!!]

Sadly though- the Steelers aren't setting team records for pass attempts while a pro bowl running back gets 5 carries.

Cam has been hurting us for years and holding the team back.

I have been for firing Cam for years. Have a look at my sig and you will see this isn't a new notion.

[Dfence4champs2052]

[quote name='Neal Could Block the SUN!!' timestamp='1322388325' post='887766']Sadly though- the Steelers aren't setting team records for pass attempts while a pro bowl running back gets 5 carries.

Cam has been hurting us for years and holding the team back.

I have been for firing Cam for years. Have a look at my sig and you will see this isn't a new notion.[/quote]

I agree 100% and I'll keep complaining until I see the consistency we all demand.

[keebl3rs]

Most QBs in the NFL are dorks though. LOL

Some wear skirts too.

[PurpleDrink]

[quote name='neoi78' timestamp='1322380407' post='887745']
Cam, Cam, Cam.. Blah blah blah. Its on the players too, as far as the losses are concerned. The team wins, and loses together.
[/quote]

So the coaching doesnt matter its the players falt?

[PurpleDrink]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1322382516' post='887750']



I agree. Players should be held accountable, but it is up to the coordinators and coaches to put the players in the position to succeed and win. 3rd and goal from the 4 and calling a quarterback draw up the middle with Joe Flacco against the best run defense in the NFL is not putting your players in a position to succeed. Go to your player's strengths.

Of course, if Dickson makes his block in the play before, we probably aren't discussing the QB draw at all; but this isn't some isolated incident. It's 4 years of questionable and at times outright ridiculous calls in crucial situations. My opinion, if you disagree .. that's fine. It is what it is.
[/quote]
We all should know by now that our TEs dont block good enough to be used like that, there good at catching the football . So it all goes back to using and puting your players in the best situation i.e. ......coaching.

[PurpleDrink]

[quote name='Irish Raven' timestamp='1322387407' post='887763']
The OC gets blamed too often

As said, if Ed Dickson made the block, the outside run was a TD but too many sitting back and crying "dumb call Cam". Not realy on this thread, more on the gameday thread

Anyway, it's nothing unique to the Ravens, goes on with lots of teams
Steelers Fever have a sticky thread with over four hundred posts calling for their OC to be sacked

I mean, Steelers offense is not bad at all

A teams worst critics are always their own fans
[/quote]

I'll say it one more gain, Our TEs aren't "Blocking TEs" why is that hard for people to understand???

[T-ray]

I have one objection...... Cam NEVER makes adjustments.... carry on!

[lowrider]

Our team is a threat to every team because we can matchup with every team. We have a strong defense and a strong running game so we can play smash mouth football. We have some deep threats so we can have an explosive offense and put some points on the board quickly. Our quarterback can win us a game with 2 minutes left to go if we need him to.

Now Flacco doesn't put up 400 yard games every week, but thats not what we ask him to do. We ask him to make plays. Last week on third down, Flacco was like 7 for 10. That's what makes a great quarterback. Keeping the drive alive, not turning the ball over, and trusting your team. Even the best quarterbacks fall into the trap of trying to do too much and turning the ball over. It takes much more to be great in the NFL than just one quarterback

[Ravens Fan in Ontario]

I am not surprised by the whole Cam Cameron thing...

He did well in SD his first 2-3 years and then the decline started as the OC and he was fired

He did miserably as the HC of the Dolphins and was fired by Bill Parcels...

Enter the Ravens and now after a few years we are seeing the decline again of Cam Cameron

He really needs to start making adjustments to his scheme's earlier. It shouldn't take the RB (Rice) going to the OC and saying..."Look this is what I'm seeing, lets make this adjustment and I will find room to run!" Oh and that adjustment being the right call.

Nothing against Ricky Williams but I would not have hired him after releasing W.MaGahee (they are very much similar running styles), I would have brought in a change of pace back. I don't think we needed another burner or cut-back type of RB, They should have went after a punishing RB (the likes of Tolbert, Blount or M. Turner). Can you imagine how much you could wear down a defense with V.Leach punishing people and the RB coming right behind him with another punishing hit? Don't get me wrong, I would never give up on R.Rice, but I think pounding on the LB's with a BIG change of pace back would tire them out and give Rice even more big runs.

[BenDufusberger]

[quote name='neoi78' timestamp='1322380407' post='887745']
Cam, Cam, Cam........
[/quote]

Wasn't that a Monty Python skit ?

[Irish Raven]

[quote name='PurpleDrink' timestamp='1322397198' post='887785']
I'll say it one more gain, Our TEs aren't "Blocking TEs" why is that hard for people to understand???
[/quote]

If our TE lets a corner back breeze past them to make a goalline tackle you can't excuse it with a statement like that

[SteelerEmpire]

[quote][b]God help us all if they ever get an offensive coordinator in Baltimore."[/b][/quote]

Does this mean the end of the famous Steeler's double agent Cam Cameron ? (code name "Cam Cam"). [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.png[/img]

[BenDufusberger]

I could probably accept the dismissals of the Cam-bashing if the bashing only came from the fans. As a Cam-basher myself , I might be inclined to re-think my position.

However , when the Cam-bashing fans have many - if not most - of the Ravens' players on their side , it's the dismissers that need to do a re-think.

[McBoller]

[quote name='reediddy' timestamp='1322379568' post='887743']

Boldin was dominating in the slot early on. I think we as fans need to be less critical of Cam. Sure, he is considered (CONSIDERED) a very good OC in this league, but fact is his playcalling is what screwed us in our 3 losses. He has figured that out slowly but surely over the past 2 weeks, showing good balance in gearing our offense towards December, heavy runs and light passing highlighted by the play action.[b] I'm curious to see how he attacks the league's #1 pass defense next week[/b]
[/quote]The only reason they're the #1 pass defense is because no one needs to throw on them. they're 29th against the Run. Based on what we saw against the niners I think we'll see a HEAVY dose of ray rice against the brownies.

[BenDufusberger]

[quote name='PurpleDrink' timestamp='1322397198' post='887785']
I'll say it one more gain, Our TEs aren't "Blocking TEs" why is that hard for people to understand???
[/quote]

Flacco could have used you to defend him when he was fined for that horsecollar tackle : " My client is not a "Tackling QB" ! "

[Ray Ray Ravens]

The Ravens win games in spite of Cam. Not because he calls great plays. He has about one good drive a game and then when we get in the red zone something weird happens. If your 1st and goal on the 3 just pound the ball. But we always end up in a bad situation then you get a QB draw from 5 yards out on a stout run defense. I dont think I will ever trust in Cam.

[Crabcakes&Football]

[quote name='McBoller' timestamp='1322411127' post='887853']
The only reason they're the #1 pass defense is because no one needs to throw on them. they're 29th against the Run. Based on what we saw against the niners I think we'll see a HEAVY dose of ray rice against the brownies.
[/quote]

Still that's not to say they don't have a good pass defense. Haden is very good.

[ROH522155]

[quote name='BenDufusberger' timestamp='1322410299' post='887843']
I could probably accept the dismissals of the Cam-bashing if the bashing only came from the fans. As a Cam-basher myself , I might be inclined to re-think my position.

However , when the Cam-bashing fans have many - if not most - of the Ravens' players on their side , it's the dismissers that need to do a re-think.
[/quote]

And how exactly do you know that "many, if not most, of the players" don't like Cam?

[The Raven]

[quote name='PurpleDrink' timestamp='1322397198' post='887785']
I'll say it one more gain, Our TEs aren't "Blocking TEs" why is that hard for people to understand???
[/quote]

Thats among the dumbest things I've ever read. Yeah, they're not blocking TEs, but they still have to be able to block. If your TEs can't block you can't run any off-tackle, stretch, any outside run play. thats why it's hard for us to understand. Because as a TE they still have to be able to block. If they can't half your run plays can't be run.

Call me crazy, or call me a hater, but Dickson is a horrible blocker. Call me what you will but he is awful. Those stretch plays might actually work if he was a competent blocker.

[The Raven]

[quote name='ROH522155' timestamp='1322415676' post='887903']

And how exactly do you know that "many, if not most, of the players" don't like Cam?
[/quote]

Because many players have come outright and said the playcalling needs to be better. They have made many hints that heavily suggest they hate Cam.

[BenDufusberger]

[quote name='ROH522155' timestamp='1322415676' post='887903']

And how exactly do you know that "many, if not most, of the players" don't like Cam?
[/quote]

I read. I listen. It helps if you haven't been living in a cave in recent weeks.

BTW , the issue is not one of liking Cam. I like him and I'm sure most of the players do , as well. It's his play-calling that people don't like.

The list of current and ex-Raven players , and former NFL players and coaches that serve as commentators and analysts on sports venues nationwide , who've gone on record as being bewildered at Cam's premature abandonment of RR and the running game , is extensive , to say the least. Go back thru earlier posts on this subject and you should get a fair sampling.

On the other hand , the list of football people who've supported Cam publicly is much easier to enumerate : Harbs , Flacco and , half-heartedly , Billick. There's a certain closing-of-the-ranks aspect of that particular group that should be obvious , and might lead one to question the sincerity of their support.

This is not about a bunch of ignorant , bloodthirsty fans calling for someone's head. It's about a widepread recognition among people knowledgeable about football that the man is ill-suited for the job he holds , to the detriment of the Ravens.