Time To Change The Rules On Challenges

[Rinbee]

I've read the thread on the non-review of Mason's TD. I see coach's pov -- no one saw it clearly enough in time to risk a TO. The league should clean up the rule. Don't discourage coach's from getting a call right by putting a high price on it, just limit the abuse of the red flag. Let every coach take a mulligan each half - no charge. Or, if you have to penalize a non-reversed call, make a 5-yd delay of game penalty. Still, when it comes to 6 pts (7 with Stover on hand), especially on the road and against Pittsburgh, take the chance.

[jfc13]

Not only that, but the guys in the booth only get to see what Pittsburgh wants to show them. ...Like they're going to show them a play with a potential review that could give the opposition a score. That is totally unfair.

[rayvenfan_52]

I can understand if they dont show the replay in the big screens in the Steelers home. I just cant understand why they didnt get it to our guys in the booth fast enough. Thats gotta be cheap down the lines somewhere.

[I*Bleed*Purple]

[quote name='rayvenfan_52' post='71617' date='Oct 2 2008, 01:00 PM']I can understand if they dont show the replay in the big screens in the Steelers home. I just cant understand why they didnt get it to our guys in the booth fast enough. Thats gotta be cheap down the lines somewhere.[/quote]
Exactly. You mean to tell me that there isn't anywhere in the rule book that states that replays have to be shown within a certain amount of time to the guys upstairs? That's retarded. If that's the case, then what's the point of having the challenge in the first place? Let's not show ANYONE ANYTHING at our house.

[TXRaven]

sounds like someone might have known the play could be over turned, and of course they didn't want that in Pittsburg, but in all fairness would we have not done the same thing in Baltimore had the situation been reversed. I admit its wrong but that is the way it is.

[rayvenfan_52]

Theres a difference with the coaches and the booths. How could the booths not get it? I hope the steelers get screwed somehow for doing that to us. Not by us but somewhere down the road.

[ravensgirlx88]

I agree!!! I think harbaugh feels REALLY bad that he didnt make that call.. But I dont blame him because where he was at he probablly didnt see the play right.. There was a REF right there tho!!!!! I cant believe they called it incomplete.. just shows another way.. Monday night football just doesnt like the ravens

[bkirha1]

Yea I heard someone say he didn't have good footage to look at to make a determination? The ESPN footage came on within 10 secs after the play, with an undeniable angle showing the TD...how does the booth not have access to that?

[rayvenfan_52]

its because it was at the steelers home. they decided not to give our guys in the booth the footage right away. its because they knew we wouldve had a better chance at changing the game around so the delayed on giving it to our guys in the booth. dont be mad though. theyll get something against them during the season.

[K-Dog]

I would be currious about the logistics on getting TV's on the side lines for the coaches to give a look see.

( I can see it now. Players hooking up their wii on slow games )

[Raven Bob]

This can easily be countered.

Either...

a) we bring our own TV into the booth at opposing stadiums (if allowed), even a small TV,

we have two staffers in our hotel, in his room, watching the game locally, with cell phone ready to call the booth so they can tell the coach (via their headsets).

Option 'b' is very easy to do. And remember, for home viewers, they see replays very quickly.

Now all the above said, I don't know what NFL rules say about 'a' or 'b', or even if they would care about 'b', but just some thoughts.

Oh, I'm also p'd off over the non-challenge, but the blame does not go on our coaches. Harbaugh said Mason didn't react to it, so if the receiver isn't jumping around about it, then you know he knows it was bad.

Remember, at the end of the game, it was tied. We virtually started a new game, and got the ball, with the odds being about 70% of the time the team with the ball first scores and wins in overtime. We screwed that up with the nice return that got called back due to holding, then could not move the ball. If the Special Team didn't have that holding call, then I'm sure we would have moved the ball just a bit to score a field goal, and a win.

But, water under the bridge. Next up, Titans. Go Ravens! Go Falco...er, Flacco.

[theblackdog]

[quote name='ravensgirlx88' post='71683' date='Oct 2 2008, 03:37 PM']But I dont blame him because where he was at he probablly didnt see the play right.. There was a REF right there tho!!!!![/quote]

I think Harbaugh admitted later that from where he was standing, he couldn't tell clearly if the play needed to be challenged. I don't blame him either, there's only so much he can see, and it's why the damn refs are supposed to pay attention!

[neepo13]

[quote name='K-Dog' post='71716' date='Oct 2 2008, 05:48 PM']I would be currious about the logistics on getting TV's on the side lines for the coaches to give a look see.

( I can see it now. Players hooking up their wii on slow games )[/quote]

Or they could just have an official from each team around the endzone, while the teams are driving. If we would have had someone near the endzone, he probably would have been able to tell them to challenge right then. I saw that it was a touchdown with my naked eye from my coach.

[macbrak]

how about someone in a striped shirt who pays attention...

[Ted Turner]

[quote name='jfc13' post='71615' date='Oct 2 2008, 01:53 PM']Not only that, but the guys in the booth only get to see what Pittsburgh wants to show them. ...Like they're going to show them a play with a potential review that could give the opposition a score. That is totally unfair.[/quote]


Hate to burst your bubble, but the same thing happens here in Baltimore. Any questionable play that might go against the Ravens is not shown on the big screen. In fact I'm sure this happens all over the league. Why would the home team put up a play that would go against them? That's called home field advantage.

[neepo13]

[quote name='Ted Turner' post='71973' date='Oct 3 2008, 02:44 PM']Hate to burst your bubble, but the same thing happens here in Baltimore. Any questionable play that might go against the Ravens is not shown on the big screen. In fact I'm sure this happens all over the league. Why would the home team put up a play that would go against them? That's called home field advantage.[/quote]

Have you been following this at all? No they dont have to show it on their big screen but they DO have to replay it for our coaches in the booth. And they didnt get it to them in time. Thats what is at issue. Not the fact that they didnt replay it in the stadium.

[Ted Turner]

[quote name='neepo13' post='71976' date='Oct 3 2008, 02:49 PM']Have you been following this at all? No they dont have to show it on their big screen but they DO have to replay it for our coaches in the booth. And they didnt get it to them in time. Thats what is at issue. Not the fact that they didnt replay it in the stadium.[/quote]


Is anyone here an NFL coach? Didn't think so. So nobody here knows what goes on up in a coaches box and what is seen and what is not. There is no requirement that they must quickly put a feed of every single play through to them. If that's a problem then simply get a tv and stick some rabbit ears on it so you can watch the network feed of the game. If you feel that I'm wrong then provide a link to something that says otherwise and that will settle it. All replays come from the network and are passed on to the replay assistant/technician up in the official's booth. They are employees of the network and/or the league, not the Steelers. If that was the case then how come many plays that should probably be overturned go unchallenged at M&T? If this was a problem then how come no complaint was filed by the Ravens front office to the league?

[neepo13]

[quote name='Ted Turner' post='71986' date='Oct 3 2008, 03:18 PM']Is anyone here an NFL coach? Didn't think so. So nobody here knows what goes on up in a coaches box and what is seen and what is not. There is no requirement that they must quickly put a feed of every single play through to them. If that's a problem then simply get a tv and stick some rabbit ears on it so you can watch the network feed of the game. If you feel that I'm wrong then provide a link to something that says otherwise and that will settle it. All replays come from the network and are passed on to the replay assistant/technician up in the official's booth. They are employees of the network and/or the league, not the Steelers. If that was the case then how come many plays that should probably be overturned go unchallenged at M&T? If this was a problem then how come no complaint was filed by the Ravens front office to the league?[/quote]

Dude. John Harbaugh, said in his press confrence that the coaches in the booth did not get the replay in time for them to tell him whether to throw the challenge flag or not. That is what is at issue, NOT the Steelers choosing not replay it in the stadium. If there isnt a rule that says that a replay has to be sent to the booth in a certain amount of time then it should be.

John Harbaugh says "we didnt get it in time". If you need more, scroll through the media of his weekly show, he goes through it in more detail there.
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He talks about it more here:

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[Mick0311]

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