Haloti Ngata

[EdReedFTW]

[quote name='BaltimoreBean' timestamp='1321933114' post='881059']
Google pics of hematomas. They look brutal.
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As a friendly warning to anyone that is going to google images of hematomas. Make sure that you have safe search on. I know I definitely could have done without seeing some of those bruised body parts.

[Bullrush]

So Ngata doesn't score any touchdowns or create turnovers for a couple of weeks and now people wonder what's up with him? Is he THAT good? He must be.

He's playing well. He will make big plays again soon. And your logic that Ngata should be making more plays because other guys are playing well is flawed. Ngata is the reason why they're playing well. Nobody is double or triple teaming McPhee or Kruger. Because Ngata gets so much attention the other guys get to make more plays. It's not the other way around.

[XxSizzleXx]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1321998467' post='881774']
So Ngata doesn't score any touchdowns or create turnovers for a couple of weeks and now people wonder what's up with him? Is he THAT good? He must be.

He's playing well. He will make big plays again soon. And your logic that Ngata should be making more plays because other guys are playing well is flawed. Ngata is the reason why they're playing well. Nobody is double or triple teaming McPhee or Kruger. Because Ngata gets so much attention the other guys get to make more plays. It's not the other way around.
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There are plenty of times where Ngata is singled up when he is pass rushing and gets halted at the LOS.

[BenDufusberger]

[quote name='EdReedFTW' timestamp='1321994367' post='881691']

As a friendly warning to anyone that is going to google images of hematomas. Make sure that you have safe search on. I know I definitely could have done without seeing some of those bruised body parts.
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Not something you'd want to see right before a hot date , I bet.

[wayne]

[quote name='dirtybird10' timestamp='1321984570' post='881520']

Its like a big deep tissue bruise. They can last weeks, months or even years. My girlfriend had one around her knee from a car accident we were in, and you could see that thing almost a year after the accident.
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So its just another word for contusion?

[TDubbs]

If this is true about the Hematoma in Ngatas thigh that is very unfortunate, I give him much praise for playing through it. The players will have 10 days off after the Harbowl on Thurs Night, hopefully it can heal up. Id rather see us sit him down the stretch and have a 100% Haloti come playoff time rather then keep letting him grind it down. We need him to be his disruptive self when the games really matter.

[Bullrush]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' timestamp='1321998663' post='881776']There are plenty of times where Ngata is singled up when he is pass rushing and gets halted at the LOS.
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So you realized just now that Ngata is a human being and not a machine?

[H8R]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1321998467' post='881774']
So Ngata doesn't score any touchdowns or create turnovers for a couple of weeks and now people wonder what's up with him? Is he THAT good? He must be.

He's playing well. He will make big plays again soon. And your logic that Ngata should be making more plays because other guys are playing well is flawed. Ngata is the reason why they're playing well. Nobody is double or triple teaming McPhee or Kruger. Because Ngata gets so much attention the other guys get to make more plays. It's not the other way around.
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Actually, I've seen McPhee being doubled a few times.... Ngata isn't playing up to his usual, the Dline has been getting beat off the ball...That includes Ngata. He's not a weakness but he hasn't been the strength on the Dline the last few weeks. Corey Redding has had more of an impact then Ngata has in the last 3 games.

[XxSizzleXx]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1322054349' post='882304']
So you realized just now that Ngata is a human being and not a machine?
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Like H8R stated, Redding has made more of an impact than him in the last 3 games. Sometimes it doesn't even look like he's trying when pass rushing. He has been getting pretty much pushed around.

[bpytnjr58]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1321943447' post='881172']
Hematoma.. AKA, he got paid.

I'M JUST KIDDING!
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LOL...I was going to say that too considering how Fitzpatrick has been playing in Buffalo since his big pay day.

[marylandmike12]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1321985023' post='881529']
I can tell you this, I've had one.... far worse then Ngata , i'm sure. I got hit by a 78 F150. I had to have surgery to put a drain into place and remove the necrotic tissue. It hurts, but not the worse thing I've ever went though in life ( I had pinctured lung, broken ribs, broken pelvis and hip, lacerated spleen...etc). He'll improve weekly.
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holy cow how do you break that many things

[Bullrush]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1322055355' post='882312']
Actually, I've seen McPhee being doubled a few times.... Ngata isn't playing up to his usual, the Dline has been getting beat off the ball...That includes Ngata. He's not a weakness but he hasn't been the strength on the Dline the last few weeks. Corey Redding has had more of an impact then Ngata has in the last 3 games.
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Not sure what you've seen. He had 11 tackles against the Seahawks, he played the run extremely well and put pressure on the QB as well. And for you to make it look like Redding is better than Ngata or has been playing better it's absurd. That's like saying Stokley outplayed Reggie Wayne a few years back because he was putting up good yards since everyone was trying to stop Wayne and didn't pay as much attention to Stokley.

And McPhee isn't getting double team. I'm 100% sure there's not a single O-Coordinator out there that said "you know what, we need to double team that McPhee guy, forget about Suggs, Ngata and the rest". If there's a 3 man rush and McPhee shoots the gap between the LT/LG of course he'll get picked up by 2 guys, that doesn't mean he's getting double teamed. The other guy has nothing else to do.

Whatever, let's just agree to disagree. Pointless to argue this type of stuff, people will criticize until he causes/scores touchdowns and slaps everybody around on every single snap like the guys in front of him aren't talented or getting paid in any way/shape/form.

[wayne]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1322080865' post='882753']

Not sure what you've seen. He had 11 tackles against the Seahawks, he played the run extremely well and put pressure on the QB as well. And for you to make it look like Redding is better than Ngata or has been playing better it's absurd. That's like saying Stokley outplayed Reggie Wayne a few years back because he was putting up good yards since everyone was trying to stop Wayne and didn't pay as much attention to Stokley.

And McPhee isn't getting double team. I'm 100% sure there's not a single O-Coordinator out there that said "you know what, we need to double team that McPhee guy, forget about Suggs, Ngata and the rest". If there's a 3 man rush and McPhee shoots the gap between the LT/LG of course he'll get picked up by 2 guys, that doesn't mean he's getting double teamed. The other guy has nothing else to do.

Whatever, let's just agree to disagree. Pointless to argue this type of stuff, people will criticize until he causes/scores touchdowns and slaps everybody around on every single snap like the guys in front of him aren't talented or getting paid in any way/shape/form.
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Calm down buddy and I have seen times that McPhee has drew a double team, you don't nescassarily have to be a household name to draw a double team but if a coach looks at game film and see you are winning a lot of one on ones like Mcphee has ( not only sacks but when he generates pressure also ) then its very possible for him to authorize a double team on McPhee. Suggs and Ngata are not getting double team every play and it would be foolish to think that no one else on the line would warrant a double team just b/c they are playing on the line with two Pro Bowl players.

Also, of course we know Ngata is human but I'm pretty sure if you were to ask him, he would tell you he's not playing up to par like he know he can play, I mean, its pretty obvious. Of course he is still playing solid but he normally gives us more and you can tell it was something going on with him with how he is making those game breaking plays from time to time .

[Bullrush]

It's one thing to say he's not playing his best ball right now, it's another thing to say he's getting outplayed by scrubs like Redding or McPhee, that he's getting pushed around and so on. And make it look like those other guys around him are getting double teamed while Ngata can't even beat one man to make a play. That irritated me a bit.

[CapoRocky]

Okay, let's stop worrying about Suggs and Ngata. Most teams spend so much time worrying about them that they forget about the other guys. It's a team sport. Winning is all that matters.

[H8R]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1322085888' post='882831']
It's one thing to say he's not playing his best ball right now, it's another thing to say he's getting outplayed by scrubs like Redding or McPhee, that he's getting pushed around and so on. And make it look like those other guys around him are getting double teamed while Ngata can't even beat one man to make a play. That irritated me a bit.
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I never said Redding is better then Ngata..... he ( Redding) damn sure does a better job of getting QB'S OFF their spot as of late. McPhee isn't a scrub at all. He's already a better pass rusher then Ngata. I'm NOT SAYING HE'S BETTER. But Ngata hasn't played very well lately. For you to use the Seattle game as an example proves my point..... Ngata had 11 tackles because they dint respect the middle of the field... They ran and ran and ran some more at him. At the end of the game.... He was worn down and getting beat down. Believe what you want. I love Ngata too, but let's just admit the injury has affected his play.

[bmore187]

Like i said last week, Haloti Ngata has been M.I.A. since the Jags game.....along with Ed Reed ( Reed showed up against Cincy tho)

[wayne]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1322085888' post='882831']
It's one thing to say he's not playing his best ball right now, it's another thing to say he's getting outplayed by scrubs like Redding or McPhee, that he's getting pushed around and so on. And make it look like those other guys around him are getting double teamed while Ngata can't even beat one man to make a play. That irritated me a bit.
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Damn, so you look at our starting LE and promising hybrid DT/End who is a rookie as scrubs?

[H8R]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1322085888' post='882831']
It's one thing to say he's not playing his best ball right now, it's another thing to say he's getting outplayed by scrubs like Redding or McPhee, that he's getting pushed around and so on. And make it look like those other guys around him are getting double teamed while Ngata can't even beat one man to make a play. That irritated me a bit.
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You still think Redding is a scrub???? 2.5-3.0 sacks... yea, he's a scrub. I love me some Ngata but how about you focus on the big picture...Redding has been a damn fine player for us. This goes for McPhee too.

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1322510189' post='889412']


You still think Redding is a scrub???? 2.5-3.0 sacks... yea, he's a scrub. I love me some Ngata but how about you focus on the big picture...Redding has been a damn fine player for us. This goes for McPhee too.
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This!! Redding has been money in help stopping the run. He's made many plays in the backfield. The only person that is in the scrub category for the Ravens right now IMO, is D. Reed (C. Carr borderline).

[Dfence4champs2052]

Carr is too my friend. Such a harsh word to use for Redding and especialy a young rookie like McPhee.

[Bullrush]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1322510189' post='889412']
You still think Redding is a scrub???? 2.5-3.0 sacks... yea, he's a scrub. I love me some Ngata but how about you focus on the big picture...Redding has been a damn fine player for us. This goes for McPhee too.
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Did you even watch the game? Notching a sack when nobody even bothers to block you suddenly makes him the next Warren Sapp? I stand by what I said. And I don't expect Redding to have much of an impact the rest of the season, let alone have another game like this. If he does keep it up I'll eat some crow but until then I stick to what I said.

You show a lot of class by bumping this thread. I'll make sure to do the same next week or the week after if Redding's name doesn't show up on the stat sheet. And suddenly all the love for Ngata again. Last week he was the guy getting pushed around by everybody while Redding was getting quadruple-teamed...

Whatever.

[757RavensFan]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1322514803' post='889483']
Did you even watch the game? Notching a sack when nobody even bothers to block you suddenly makes him the next Warren Sapp? I stand by what I said. And I don't expect Redding to have much of an impact the rest of the season, let alone have another game like this. If he does keep it up I'll eat some crow but until then I stick to what I said.

You show a lot of class by bumping this thread. I'll make sure to do the same next week or the week after if Redding's name doesn't show up on the stat sheet.[u][b] And suddenly all the love for Ngata again. Last week he was the guy getting pushed around by everybody while Redding was getting quadruple-teamed...[/b][/u]

Whatever.
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While playing w/ a deep thigh bruise that would have the avg man laid up for a few weeks. I would take Ngata at 50% healthy over 90% of the Dline men in the league at 100% healthy.

[H8R]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1322514803' post='889483']

Did you even watch the game? Notching a sack when nobody even bothers to block you suddenly makes him the next Warren Sapp? I stand by what I said. And I don't expect Redding to have much of an impact the rest of the season, let alone have another game like this. If he does keep it up I'll eat some crow but until then I stick to what I said.

You show a lot of class by bumping this thread. I'll make sure to do the same next week or the week after if Redding's name doesn't show up on the stat sheet. And suddenly all the love for Ngata again. Last week he was the guy getting pushed around by everybody while Redding was getting quadruple-teamed...

Whatever.
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Class? Really? Coming from the guy that calls starting ends on The Ravens "scrubs" . It's not classles at all. If I didn't know any better, I'd ask if you were family of Ngata. You're delusional , I never said Ngata wasn't a great player, I simply stated he wasnt playing his dominate brand of footbal as of latel. I think you dream up things, to suit your argument . Instead of giving credit when it's due, you deflect solid play because it's not suited for your "argument" . The act is tired....

[Bltravens]

McPhee a scrub lol, he's one of the few guys who gets a consistent pocket push on passing downs on our team.

[Ngata92NT]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1322514803' post='889483']
Did you even watch the game? Notching a sack when nobody even bothers to block you suddenly makes him the next Warren Sapp? I stand by what I said. And I don't expect Redding to have much of an impact the rest of the season, let alone have another game like this. If he does keep it up I'll eat some crow but until then I stick to what I said.

You show a lot of class by bumping this thread. I'll make sure to do the same next week or the week after if Redding's name doesn't show up on the stat sheet. And suddenly all the love for Ngata again. Last week he was the guy getting pushed around by everybody while Redding was getting quadruple-teamed...

Whatever.
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Whoa... we're all fans of the same team here man. No one here is bashing Ngata... we're all huge fans of the guy. Clearly he's one of if not the most dominant DTs in the NFL. That doesn't mean he can't have an off-game or two, for whatever reason, injuries... etc. When you're coming off a huge contract it's natural that fans will put you under the microscope and hold you to an extremely high standard.

But it's certainly not "classy" to bash other players on the team... do you think Ngata would be saying stuff like that? You think that he secretly thinks McPhee and Redding are scrubs because they're not getting double teamed as much as him? Or do you think he scoffs and says it doesn't count when Redding gets a sack because the blitz confused the O-Line and Redding got a free rush?

Who the hell said anything CLOSE to Redding being the next Warren Sapp? Redding has been playing at a high level the last few games... that's it. No one thinks he's better than Ngata. McPhee is a ROOKIE 5th round pick who's been playing EXTREMELY well all season. Yet you think they're both scrubs because they're not Ngata?

You need a reality check, plain and simple. I'm as big a fan of Ngata as anyone else, but that doesn't mean I dismiss the play of our other phenomenal D-Lineman. The fact is Ngata is NOTHING without other players beside him... football is a team sport. Ngata is one of the humblest people on the team and I'm sure he would be absolutely furious if anyone tried to call the teammates he bleeds next to in the trenches every day with scrubs or anything like it.

[RavensAllTheWay]

Honestly, I'm surprised were still having this conversation about who's playing well and who isn't after the San Fran game. The entire front beasted it out against an underrated O line, and Ngata and Redding each had sacks in this game.

Redding and McPhee are not scrubs, period. Both players have great motors and get their share of penetration (especially Pernell). I don't think one D lineman can make this run defense one of the bests in the league, and keep in mind doesn't Ngata see plenty of double teams? And if you're so concerned about sacks and other stats, they don't tell the whole story at all

I think the entire D line is fine right now.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1322080865' post='882753']
Not sure what you've seen. He had 11 tackles against the Seahawks, he played the run extremely well and put pressure on the QB as well. And for you to make it look like Redding is better than Ngata or has been playing better it's absurd. That's like saying Stokley outplayed Reggie Wayne a few years back because he was putting up good yards since everyone was trying to stop Wayne and didn't pay as much attention to Stokley.

And McPhee isn't getting double team. I'm 100% sure there's not a single O-Coordinator out there that said "you know what, [b]we need to double team that McPhee guy, forget about Suggs, Ngata and the rest[/b]". If there's a 3 man rush and McPhee shoots the gap between the LT/LG of course he'll get picked up by 2 guys, that doesn't mean he's getting double teamed. The other guy has nothing else to do.

Whatever, let's just agree to disagree. Pointless to argue this type of stuff, people will criticize until he causes/scores touchdowns and slaps everybody around on every single snap like the guys in front of him aren't talented or getting paid in any way/shape/form.
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Is the fact that McPhee isn't quite on those two guys' level a SHOT at him? Is it really?? I hope not. Dude's been playing well all season, I can assure you of that.

[Tiz]

[quote name='Bullrush' timestamp='1322085888' post='882831']
It's one thing to say he's not playing his best ball right now, it's another thing to say he's getting outplayed by scrubs like Redding or McPhee, that he's getting pushed around and so on. And make it look like those other guys around him are getting double teamed while Ngata can't even beat one man to make a play. That irritated me a bit.
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Why the need to call redding and mcphee scrubs just to build up ngata?

[wayne]

You got to understand that thi is Reddings 2nd year in our system playing the 3 technique and he is use to playing the 5 technique ( 4-3 ) position. You always have to take that into consideration when talking about Redding.

Also, this who ordeal was b/c of saying that Mcphee and Redding are scrubs which isn't true by a long shot and he was making it seem like if it wasn't for Ngata getting double teamed, they wouldn't produce at all which I don't agree with. Of course having Ngata and Suggs on the line helps them tremendously but that's not to say that their not helping Ngata and Suggs also.