Joe Flacco Vs Alex Smith

[H8R]

[quote name='ajanke' timestamp='1321978481' post='881375']
I'm solely focusing on this year. I don't think his past performances against the NFC West hold much weight in todays 49ers team.
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Have faith in Alex Smith.... That's great, this year is more of an anomaly then a trend. Unless he continues it for a couple years.... 10games means nothing.

[keebl3rs]

[quote name='Texas9erFan' timestamp='1321932647' post='881050']

NO... no, you really haven't. Nobody has our level of defense. It's the best in the NFL based on points allowed.

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49ers D is very good, but don't discredit the Steelers/Bengals/Jets. We have played good defenses for most of the year. How many good defenses has the 49ers played? Heck, how many good offenses have the 49ers played against? A John Beck led Redskins and Skelton Cardinals are horrible prep games for this match!

[H8R]

[quote name='keebl3rs' timestamp='1321981339' post='881422']

49ers D is very good, but don't discredit the Steelers/Bengals/Jets. We have played good defenses for most of the year. How many good defenses has the 49ers played? Heck, how many good offenses have the 49ers played against? A John Beck led Redskins and Skelton Cardinals are horrible prep games for this match!
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If you wanna know, look up a few posts...I've laid it out rather well.... : P

[keebl3rs]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1321981418' post='881425']


If you wanna know, look up a few posts...I've laid it out rather well.... : P
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Yeah, just saw it. My point has been confirmed!

[ajanke]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1321981083' post='881417']

Well, Kyle Orton was one of the best QB's in the league through 10 games before.... My point is, Flacco has done more in a shorter time frame against better teams.....
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Agreed. Which is one of the few reasons I'd take Flacco over Alex. However, 10 games in does mean something. it means he's been consistent for 10 games and that's the longest stretch for him, ever. It also means we're 10-1 and regardless of the strength of defenses we have played we have won consistently as well. Which is hard to do in the NFL.To me one of the most surprising things about my 49ers this year is that we haven't lost the games that we're suppose to win. We haven't lost to any teams that have no right beating a good team.
At this point though I totally agree Flacco>Alex Smith

I have a question. What's the report on your O line? Our front 7 is nasty and we can get pressure usually without even having to blitz. Except for last week we had a hard time getting pressure. We only had 2 sacks, however we didn't send 1 blitz the ENTIRE game. Not one blitz. Crazy.

Also not sure if it was this thread or not but I remember someone asking if I knew when the Niners were flying out there and I haven't heard anything on that surprisingly.

[Texas9erFan]

[quote name='ajanke' timestamp='1321982060' post='881441']
Also not sure if it was this thread or not but I remember someone asking if I knew when the Niners were flying out there and I haven't heard anything on that surprisingly.
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Wednesday. JH mentioned it in a press conference.

[Texas9erFan]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1321981192' post='881418']
The game will be won or lost in the trenches. We need to win the battle of turnovers and run the ball. It's going to be hard to put pressure on Smith if we can't push their line around.
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[b]This is true.[/b] Here's how it will go.
This is going to be a low scoring affair. Neither team will score higher than the high 20's and it's likely the winner will need no more than the low 20's to win. [i][b]There will be a lot of FG's. LOTS![/b][/i] Both teams will try to run a lot too with a short safe passing game. The victor will likely be the team that is successful running. But more than that, the victor will win the turnover battle and control the clock.
It could come down to who has the ball last.

There are no two teams in the NFL as closely matched as the 49ers and the Ravens. And as I said before, this could be a Superbowl preview!

[size=5][b]God bless the Harbaughs!![/b][/size]

[CowboyH8er]

Alex may not be better according to stats, But He is Better in W-L.

Alex and the 49ers have beat some quality Defenses, Detroit, NYG, Philly, and put up a Good Numbers against Dallas.

What Alex has done is keep his team from taking anyone too lightly, say like lowly teams like Seattle, Jacksonville, and Tenn.

This Gane wont come down to which QB is better anyways, Because the Defensive battles will take them out.

This Game will come down to Special teams, and the field position that they give the Offense to be able to score....

Low scoring....10-9, A late field goal wins it...

[keebl3rs]

[quote name='ajanke' timestamp='1321982060' post='881441']
Agreed. Which is one of the few reasons I'd take Flacco over Alex. However, 10 games in does mean something. it means he's been consistent for 10 games and that's the longest stretch for him, ever. It also means we're 10-1 and regardless of the strength of defenses we have played we have won consistently as well. Which is hard to do in the NFL.To me one of the most surprising things about my 49ers this year is that we haven't lost the games that we're suppose to win. We haven't lost to any teams that have no right beating a good team.
At this point though I totally agree Flacco>Alex Smith

[b]I have a question. What's the report on your O line? Our front 7 is nasty and we can get pressure usually without even having to blitz. Except for last week we had a hard time getting pressure. We only had 2 sacks, however we didn't send 1 blitz the ENTIRE game. Not one blitz. Crazy.[/b]

Also not sure if it was this thread or not but I remember someone asking if I knew when the Niners were flying out there and I haven't heard anything on that surprisingly.
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Inconsistent is the word that comes to mind. They'll protect like crazy and create huge holes for Rice one game, then resemble swiss cheese the next. Since Grubbs made his return, they've looked better though. Our backs are pretty good at picking up blitz pressure too. If I had to guess, I'd say Flacco will take his licks as usual, but you'll have to send some help if he's throwing from shotgun.

Who do you have rushing our blind side? McKinnie tends to do better against strength rushers rather than speed rushers IMO.

[PuRock]

[quote name='keebl3rs' timestamp='1321986820' post='881577']

Inconsistent is the word that comes to mind. They'll protect like crazy and create huge holes for Rice one game, then resemble swiss cheese the next. Since Grubbs made his return, they've looked better though. Our backs are pretty good at picking up blitz pressure too. If I had to guess, I'd say Flacco will take his licks as usual, but you'll have to send some help if he's throwing from shotgun.

Who do you have rushing our blind side? McKinnie tends to do better against strength rushers rather than speed rushers IMO.
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Justin Smith. Who is an all-around guy. But he tends to fall more into the category of strength rusher at 6'4" 285 lbs

[ajanke]

[quote name='keebl3rs' timestamp='1321986820' post='881577']

Inconsistent is the word that comes to mind. They'll protect like crazy and create huge holes for Rice one game, then resemble swiss cheese the next. Since Grubbs made his return, they've looked better though. Our backs are pretty good at picking up blitz pressure too. If I had to guess, I'd say Flacco will take his licks as usual, but you'll have to send some help if he's throwing from shotgun.

Who do you have rushing our blind side? McKinnie tends to do better against strength rushers rather than speed rushers IMO.
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Justin Smith. Who has been LIGHTS out this year. Not huge in the sacks but super stout in the tackles and always putting pressure. He's more of a bull rusher but he has some deceptive speed occasionally. That's from our base defense. If we it's 3rd down or a for sure passing down we will go nickel and slide Justin into DT and have our rookie Aldon Smith go in and rush. He has 7.5 sacks and he only plays on Nickel downs. He's been playing extremely well. he has fantastic speed and uses his hands very well to get around the LT.

[keebl3rs]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1321987279' post='881588']

Justin Smith. Who is an all-around guy. But he tends to fall more into the category of strength rusher at 6'4" 285 lbs
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Pancakes.

I think Birk and Yanda are going to be tested more so than anyone else on the line for this game.

[keebl3rs]

[quote name='Texas9erFan' timestamp='1321985079' post='881532']

..Both teams will try to run a lot too with a short safe passing game.

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I agree with the run part, but this offense loves taking shots down field. Smith and Evans are looking to take the top off.

[arnie_uk]

i worry about aldon smith hes been on fire this year and as someone said our tackles fair better against stregth than speed, he would need chipped by a TE at LOS to slow him down then mckinnie/oher can out muscle him then.. Vernon davis is very good, but we usually do well against TEs, our gameplan should be to stop the run, and dont let crabtree do much, make alex smith win this game...

I think our run could be shutdown also and the game will fall on flaccos shoulders in primetime and he will shine if the OL holds up..

[Twistidfunk]

I am kind of surprised 49er fans are so supportive of Smith now. They wanted him tarred and feathered for years out there.

He's played well enough...I guess. I wouldn't want him though.

Flacco is a much better QB and is very capable of beating teams. 49er fans will find out come Thursday night who is better

[H8R]

[quote name='CowboyH8er' timestamp='1321986030' post='881558']
Alex may not be better according to stats, But He is Better in W-L.

Alex and the 49ers have beat some quality Defenses, Detroit, NYG, Philly, and put up a Good Numbers against Dallas.

What Alex has done is keep his team from taking anyone too lightly, say like lowly teams like Seattle, Jacksonville, and Tenn.

This Gane wont come down to which QB is better anyways, Because the Defensive battles will take them out.

This Game will come down to Special teams, and the field position that they give the Offense to be able to score....

Low scoring....10-9, A late field goal wins it...
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The Ravens have scored plenty on elite defenses, I'll lay money down we put up 20+ on the 9ers. Once again, Alex Smith has a better record this year.... But, after Thursday... I think he'll have one more loss on his 1 year career ( since you 9er fans abolished the rest of his nfl carrer). The bank is a tough place to play, we're unbeaten at home this year and since 2000 I believe only the Pats have a better winning percentage. Take eveything you know about "tough games/teams" and throw it out. The Ravens are one of the best ( 9ers are too, actually ) at making people pay ...especially at the Bank.

[Texas9erFan]

[quote name='Twistidfunk' timestamp='1321989499' post='881622']
I am kind of surprised 49er fans are so supportive of Smith now. They wanted him tarred and feathered for years out there.

He's played well enough...I guess. I wouldn't want him though.

Flacco is a much better QB and is very capable of beating teams. 49er fans will find out come Thursday night who is better [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img]
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Can't deny he's been on the "least wanted" list for several years. There are still a few Smith haters out in Niner land but even the hard core haters are starting to come around while the rest of us are starting to get annoyed with the "game manager" label he's been tagged with. Obviously the coaching has been the difference. And now we're starting to realize that Smitty's passing game really is pretty good and keeps improving with every game. He just has a mediocre group of receivers to deal with.

It's been a breakout year for the whole team and we're still learning and growing. [b]This isn't a fluke. It's a trend.[/b] Give us another draft or two with a normal FA period to fix a couple holes and with a full off-season with regular mini-camps and such and you'll see a team having a great season turn into a new dynasty.

[H8R]

[quote name='Texas9erFan' timestamp='1321990592' post='881637']
Can't deny he's been on the "least wanted" list for several years. There are still a few Smith haters out in Niner land but even the hard core haters are starting to come around while the rest of us are starting to get annoyed with the "game manager" label he's been tagged with. Obviously the coaching has been the difference. And now we're starting to realize that Smitty's passing game really is pretty good and keeps improving with every game. He just has a mediocre group of receivers to deal with.

It's been a breakout year for the whole team and we're still learning and growing. [b]This isn't a fluke. It's a trend.[/b] Give us another draft or two with a normal FA period to fix a couple holes and with a full off-season with regular mini-camps and such and you'll see a team having a great season turn into a new dynasty.
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You have to make it to the playoffs, win a "few games" and do it a couple years in a row to talk about the "D Word" Trust, me my 9er fandom goes back to Bill Walsh, I'd like them to be consistent contenders again. It gives me a team to pull for unless they're playing the Ravens. I've said it many times on here, the 9ers are my first love.

[ajanke]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1321991647' post='881658']



You have to make it to the playoffs, win a "few games" and do it a couple years in a row to talk about the "D Word" Trust, me my 9er fandom goes back to Bill Walsh, I'd like them to be consistent contenders again. It gives me a team to pull for unless they're playing the Ravens. I've said it many times on here, the 9ers are my first love.
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lol you like two teams?

[Texas9erFan]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1321991647' post='881658']



You have to make it to the playoffs, win a "few games" and do it a couple years in a row to talk about the "D Word" Trust, me my 9er fandom goes back to Bill Walsh, I'd like them to be consistent contenders again. It gives me a team to pull for unless they're playing the Ravens. I've said it many times on here, [b]the 9ers are my first love[/b].
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Wow. From the tone of your posts, I never would have guessed.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='Texas9erFan' timestamp='1321990592' post='881637']
Can't deny he's been on the "least wanted" list for several years. There are still a few Smith haters out in Niner land but even the hard core haters are starting to come around while the rest of us are starting to get annoyed with the "game manager" label he's been tagged with. Obviously the coaching has been the difference. And now we're starting to realize that Smitty's passing game really is pretty good and keeps improving with every game. He just has a mediocre group of receivers to deal with.

It's been a breakout year for the whole team and we're still learning and growing. [b]This isn't a fluke. It's a trend.[/b] Give us another draft or two with a normal FA period to fix a couple holes and with a full off-season with regular mini-camps and such and you'll see a team having a great season turn into a new dynasty.
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Sorry, but Smith is only succeeding because the 49ers had to shorten the playbook on him. He's limited and it will show against a good defense. And you can't say he has nothing to work with. He has one of the best (if not the best) O-lines in the game and one of the best TE's, not to mention some 1st round WRs to go along with it. Flacco has Boldin and a bunch of mid-round picks in their first or second year. Based on what I've said I can agree the 49ers are young and have plenty of talent, so I agree they will be a force for years to come. But don't mistake Alex Smith for something he isn't.

[ajanke]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1321993129' post='881677']
Sorry, [b]but Smith is only succeeding because the 49ers had to shorten the playbook on him[/b]. He's limited and it will show against a good defense. And you can't say he has nothing to work with. He has one of the best (if not the best) O-lines in the game and one of the best TE's, not to mention some 1st round WRs to go along with it. Flacco has Boldin and a bunch of mid-round picks in their first or second year. Based on what I've said I can agree the 49ers are young and have plenty of talent, so I agree they will be a force for years to come. But don't mistake Alex Smith for something he isn't.
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The past few weeks he's been throwing the ball a pretty good amount and getting us the wins. He also has I think 2 4th Quarter comebacks. Albeit that's only 2 games. We will see though how he performs on Thursday! I'm excited!
I hope you guys have Ray Lewis playing. I read some reports that he will play.

[CowboyH8er]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1321990425' post='881636']


The Ravens have scored plenty on elite defenses, I'll lay money down we put up 20+ on the 9ers. Once again, Alex Smith has a better record this year.... But, after Thursday... I think he'll have one more loss on his 1 year career ( since you 9er fans abolished the rest of his nfl carrer). The bank is a tough place to play, we're unbeaten at home this year and since 2000 I believe only the Pats have a better winning percentage. Take eveything you know about "tough games/teams" and throw it out. The Ravens are one of the best ( 9ers are too, actually ) at making people pay ...especially at the Bank.
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This game will barely get into the teens.....

I dont abolish the rest of his career, Just that now he has a coach that coaches his strengths instead of forcing him to do something he cant.

[Jaguarfan]

Flacco. But I am glad to see Smith doing good.

[Texas9erFan]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1321993129' post='881677']
Sorry, but Smith is only succeeding because the 49ers had to shorten the playbook on him. [/quote]
That's not entirely accurate. But it's not worth arguing about as the playbook has been getting "longer" with each game.
[quote]He's limited and it will show against a good defense. And you can't say he has nothing to work with. [/quote]

[b]I didn't say that at all[/b]. Morgan is on IR and out for the year. And he's our best WR. Crabtree and Smith haven't had a lot of chemistry but it's getting better. Braylon Edwards is everything the Browns fans said he was. A guy who drops A LOT of passes. I'm glad he only has a 1 year deal. Ginn also drops too many passes. He's really just a ST guy... but a great one!

[quote]He has one of the best (if not the best) O-lines in the game and one of the best TE's,[/quote]
True.

[quote] not to mention some 1st round WRs to go along with it. [/quote]
The round they were drafted in doesn't matter if they aren't catching passes.
[quote]Flacco has Boldin and a bunch of mid-round picks in their first or second year. Based on what I've said I can agree the 49ers are young and have plenty of talent, so I agree they will be a force for years to come. But don't mistake Alex Smith for something he isn't.
[/quote] Don't confuse the Alex Smith who was chucked under a bus by two different and totally incompetent DEFENSIVE minded head coaches with the Alex Smith of today who's getting better with each and every game.

As I see it, there's only one way Alex loses his job in the next 3 to 5 years.

[b]IF[/b], [i]and it's a big if[/i], Andrew Luck comes into the '12 draft and pulls an Eli Manning/John Elway and says [i][b]"I will only play for my coach and no one else." [/b][/i]and he comes to S.F. [i]By the way, I highly doubt this will happen. But it could.[/i]

[SecretAgentMan]

Joe Flacco>Alex Smith
That is in Lamens terms. Want me to explain more.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='Texas9erFan' timestamp='1322000044' post='881807']
That's not entirely accurate. But it's not worth arguing about as the playbook has been getting "longer" with each game.

[b]I didn't say that at all[/b]. Morgan is on IR and out for the year. And he's our best WR. Crabtree and Smith haven't had a lot of chemistry but it's getting better. Braylon Edwards is everything the Browns fans said he was. A guy who drops A LOT of passes. I'm glad he only has a 1 year deal. Ginn also drops too many passes. He's really just a ST guy... but a great one!


True.


The round they were drafted in doesn't matter if they aren't catching passes.
Don't confuse the Alex Smith who was chucked under a bus by two different and totally incompetent DEFENSIVE minded head coaches with the Alex Smith of today who's getting better with each and every game.

As I see it, there's only one way Alex loses his job in the next 3 to 5 years.

[b]IF[/b], [i]and it's a big if[/i], Andrew Luck comes into the '12 draft and pulls an Eli Manning/John Elway and says [i][b]"I will only play for my coach and no one else." [/b][/i]and he comes to S.F. [i]By the way, I highly doubt this will happen. But it could.[/i]
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Your receivers are pretty good. I don't think you think that. I would argue that they don't look as good as they are because they don't have a very good QB throwing at them, but I'm sure you could just argue Alex Smith doesn't look as good because the receivers are holding him down. Let's just say it's one or the other.

I'm still not sold on Alex Smith. It's been half a year. Yes it coincides with a change in head coach, but that doesn't mean Alex Smith will play well as long as that head coach is there. He'll need to do it all next year too, when opponents have an offseason to study film on him. However, he'll have a chance to impress me in a few days.

Just understand that we are defensive about Flacco here because we've been hearing ALL YEAR from other fanbases/the media about how bad he's been playing (it's been upgraded to "inconsistent" after knocking off Pittsburgh). For most of the season, Joe's #2 receiver has been a rookie with a case of the drops and his #3 an undrafted rookie FA.

[keebl3rs]

I guess this pretty much sums up 49er fans thinking of this match-up.

"Flacco throws a better deep ball and Alex is better at everything else."

Can't wait til Thursday!

[The Raven]

Really? I love the 49ers and all, but there is NO ARGUMENT that Alex Smith is better or even in the same league as Flacco.

[RayRiceRunningfortheRavns]

this isn't a good comparison. both are good at what their system asks them to do.

Nobody asks a lot from Alex. ask him to make a bunch of short/intermediate completions and the 49'ers WR's RAC gets him the majority of his yards. They ask him to hand the ball to Frank Gore and let him turn up the heat on the opposing defense. They ask him to keep drives alive so that their defense can stay fresh and dominate when they come out.

Flacco is asked to win ballgames. the ravens success is reliant as much on Flacco's success as it is on the defense's success. The ravens live and die by Joe's arms.

The niners arent in that position, their system isn't built like that. In a way, the niners are a better team because they rely on every member of the team to win games.