Good Jimmy, Bad Jimmy But It's Still Time

[RavenousBG]

Jimmy looked good most of the day and definitely on the pick but he looked bad when he got toasted later in the game. I think we have to live with that right now because he's going to learn from those things. I just don;t think Carr should be ahead of him. Jimmy needs to learn on the job. He needs to know Dalton because he will be seeing him for the next ten year. Pretty soon we won't see Bad Jimmy much anymore. Kid has a bright future, just has to get the mental down.

Also, I think the future is Jimmy and C. Williams on the outside. I think, because he played Safety in college and Ed might retire sooner than we'd all like, Lardarius Webb will move inside to Safety. I like Danny Gorrer as the nickel back. Carr won't last past next year. Carr covers good at times but he doesn't really make plays, no picks, no dynamic hits or forced fumbles. This is all just an opinion but I think a good option for the future.

[redrum52]

[quote name='RavenousBG' timestamp='1321834634' post='879281']
Jimmy looked good most of the day and definitely on the pick but he looked bad when he got toasted later in the game. I think we have to live with that right now because he's going to learn from those things. I just don;t think Carr should be ahead of him. Jimmy needs to learn on the job. He needs to know Dalton because he will be seeing him for the next ten year. Pretty soon we won't see Bad Jimmy much anymore. Kid has a bright future, just has to get the mental down.

Also, I think the future is Jimmy and C. Williams on the outside. I think, because he played Safety in college and Ed might retire sooner than we'd all like, Lardarius Webb will move inside to Safety. I like Danny Gorrer as the nickel back. Carr won't last past next year. Carr covers good at times but he doesn't really make plays, no picks, no dynamic hits or forced fumbles. This is all just an opinion but I think a good option for the future.
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I think he lead or was close to the top in ff last year. I don't think Carr is as bad as people make him out to be but I will say he hasn't been playing at the same level.

[RavenousBG]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1321834883' post='879285']
I think he lead or was close to the top in ff last year. I don't think Carr is as bad as people make him out to be but I will say he hasn't been playing at the same level.
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Got it, but the key is that it was last year. Sorry but it's a what have you done for me lately league. We are here talking about Suggs and Ngata on another thread and those dudes are proven stars. But in the last couple of games, they haven't been their usual selves. Carr has rarely flashed last year's form this year. There's going to be an odd man out and I think in a year or two, it will be Carr.

[K-Dog]

considering this really is like his second game I say pretty impressive and a lot of mistakes can be forgiven.

[Adam Jones]

Hopefully Andy Dalton to Jimmy Smith becomes a prolific combination over the next dozen years!

[PuRock]

[quote name='Adam Jones' timestamp='1321836768' post='879340']
Hopefully Andy Dalton to Jimmy Smith becomes a prolific combination over the next dozen years!
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Its a good thing we have The Jimmy as we will need him to step up.
The next few years QB-WR combinations in our division are kinda scary

Dalton to Green
Roethlisberger to Wallace/Brown
Future Browns QB to Future Browns WR

Ofcourse we join the mix as well with Flacco to Torrey.

[ravensdfan]

INT - Great Jimmy!
Fumble - Oh...bad Jimmy!
Schooled on the TD - very bad Jimmy.

He'll be fine. This is pretty much his first regular season game where he's any significant playing time on defense. I think he did pretty well overall.

[Free Agent]

[quote name='RavenousBG' timestamp='1321834634' post='879281']
Jimmy looked good most of the day and definitely on the pick but he looked bad when he got toasted later in the game. I think we have to live with that right now because he's going to learn from those things. I just don;t think Carr should be ahead of him. Jimmy needs to learn on the job. He needs to know Dalton because he will be seeing him for the next ten year. Pretty soon we won't see Bad Jimmy much anymore. Kid has a bright future, just has to get the mental down.

Also, I think the future is Jimmy and C. Williams on the outside. [b]I think, because he played Safety in college and Ed might retire sooner than we'd all like, Lardarius Webb will move inside to Safety.[/b] I like Danny Gorrer as the nickel back. Carr won't last past next year. Carr covers good at times but he doesn't really make plays, no picks, no dynamic hits or forced fumbles. This is all just an opinion but I think a good option for the future.
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I dont think that will happen. I think Webb and Jimmy will be our starting corners of the future. I like Cary Williams, but he is rather inconsistent. Once Jimmy gets up to speed, I could see him taking the starting job away from Cary, probably not this year, but likely by next year.

[Militant X 1]

great experience gained for Jimmy and he's got to play to get that!

~Mili

[BenDufusberger]

I can easily see Webb giving Reed or Pollard the occasional breather at safety , and also can see him at nickle. What I can't see is him sitting because Smith and Williams are #1 and #2. Performance to date argues against that , statistically and otherwise.

It's a good problem to have , for sure. It looks like our secondary may be getting in peak form just in time for the stretch run.

BTW , here's the NFL.com "Can't-Miss Play" video on Webb's int. :

[url="http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/09000d5d8244b039/WK-11-Can-t-Miss-Play-Webb-s-diving-pick"]http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/09000d5d8244b039/WK-11-Can-t-Miss-Play-Webb-s-diving-pick[/url]

[RavenousBG]

[quote name='Free Agent' timestamp='1321837154' post='879360']

I dont think that will happen. I think Webb and Jimmy will be our starting corners of the future. I like Cary Williams, but he is rather inconsistent. Once Jimmy gets up to speed, I could see him taking the starting job away from Cary, probably not this year, but likely by next year.
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Well, it's just an opinion but remember that Lardarius was a Safety at Nichols State.

I like Cary. He's worked his way to where he is now and big corners are needed for teams with big WRs. I know Cary has gotten beaten here and there but generally, he has been really good. I like his mentality and toughness and he hits when he sees the target. But you might be right. I just see an opportunity to keep all three guys on the field and let Lardarius make plays. Regardless of how it works, I think all three guys are part of the future in Baltimore for the next 4 or 5 years.

[RavenousBG]

[quote name='BenDufusberger' timestamp='1321837690' post='879386']
I can easily see Webb giving Reed or Pollard the occasional breather at safety , and also can see him at nickle. What I can't see is him sitting because Smith and Williams are #1 and #2. Performance to date argues against that , statistically and otherwise.

It's a good problem to have , for sure. It looks like our secondary may be getting in peak form just in time for the stretch run.

BTW , here's the NFL.com "Can't-Miss Play" video on Webb's int. :

[url="http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-cant-miss-plays/09000d5d8244b039/WK-11-Can-t-Miss-Play-Webb-s-diving-pick"]http://www.nfl.com/v...b-s-diving-pick[/url]
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Pick was awesome. No Webb won't sit, but Jimmy has to be ahead of Carr this year at this juncture because Carr just isn't a playmaker this year. It's also the reason I think Webb at Safety is in the future, IF Reed retires, this option gets all three on the field and keeps experience at the Safety position.

[BenDufusberger]

[quote name='RavenousBG' timestamp='1321838133' post='879405']

Pick was awesome. No Webb won't sit, but Jimmy has to be ahead of Carr this year at this juncture because Carr just isn't a playmaker this year. It's also the reason I think Webb at Safety is in the future, IF Reed retires, this option gets all three on the field and keeps experience at the Safety position.
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Agree on all points. I already see the influence of Reed on Webb , and think he's a natural for the position when the time comes.

One thing that's a mystery to me: Why don't they call Webb "Spider" ? It's the perfect nick for him , and not just because of his last name. When he tackles someone , it's like he has eight arms.

[RayRiceRunningfortheRavns]

Jimmy did fine, but Cary is not our #1 or #2 CB of the future. #1 = Webb, who is consistently solid in coverage and has 3 picks and a TD on the season, and #2 is Jimmy who plays solid coverage and just needs more experience.

[Free Agent]

[quote name='RavenousBG' timestamp='1321837877' post='879395']

Well, it's just an opinion but remember that Lardarius was a Safety at Nichols State.

I like Cary. He's worked his way to where he is now and big corners are needed for teams with big WRs. I know Cary has gotten beaten here and there but generally, he has been really good. I like his mentality and toughness and he hits when he sees the target. But you might be right. I just see an opportunity to keep all three guys on the field and let Lardarius make plays. Regardless of how it works, I think all three guys are part of the future in Baltimore for the next 4 or 5 years.
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I know that Webb has experience at safety, I just think that he is too valuable for us at corner to move him to safety.

As for Williams, to me he is either very good on a play, or pretty bad, in my opinion. On one play he'll make a diving swat on the ball, the next he'll get beaten for a big play. He is quite inconsistent.

[Bltravens]

Hes a press man cover corner. One of the knocks on him was that he wasnt the same corner in off coverage. Personally I think Simpson would have been punked at the line by Smith if it was press coverage but thats just me. Like Dierdorf said, it looked like Smith guessed on a short stop route.

[RavenousBG]

[quote name='Free Agent' timestamp='1321839201' post='879449']
I know that Webb has experience at safety, I just think that he is too valuable for us at corner to move him to safety.

As for Williams, to me he is either very good on a play, or pretty bad, in my opinion. On one play he'll make a diving swat on the ball, the next he'll get beaten for a big play. He is quite inconsistent.
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Understood. He did get beaten a couple times today and also had some good plays. So you're right but we are talking about a former practice squad guy who wasn't expected to be starting this year. Just couldn't keep him off the field. He's young and still has upside to realize. But he does need to be more consistent/

BTW, I like the old Madden Football cover you got there. Madden '91 '92 and '93 made me money at Morgan State back in the day. I was so good I let my competition pick my team and I would still beat them and take their money. I wish they had a Madden bus back then. I'm just good these days.

[RavenousBG]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1321839914' post='879478']
Hes a press man cover corner. One of the knocks on him was that he wasnt the same corner in off coverage. Personally I think Simpson would have been punked at the line by Smith if it was press coverage but thats just me. Like Dierdorf said, it looked like Smith guessed on a short stop route.
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Yeah, he did guess. That's part of the learning. In time, he will recognize looks and body language. He will build on that awesome press coverage and become a complete CB.

[Token]

Didn't get to see the game because I had football practice (on a Sunday... so stupid) but before I left he was doing great.
Could someone tell me what happened on that play he let up the TD? Did he missed the jam, was he in off coverage, or what?
Oh, looks like someone answered that for me already.

[FerrariFan87]

Jimmy was blowing people up in press man coverage... that one play he got beat is going to happen to a Rookie; he'll learn. I'm happy to have witnessed his first pick live

[PainKiller]

Cary did get beat today, but he made some huge plays last week. Seattle could have beaten the ravens a lot worse than they did without Cary.

[Blex64]

Cary's going to improve a bit more if he wants to stay a starter on the outside.

He's got a lot of deflections and is good at breaking things up, and he's technically allowing fewer passes then Webb, but he also tends to give rather large cushions to WR's, which isn't ok. He's got fewer picks and has been burned more. Webb is the better corner at the moment.

I love our corner situation right now.

[nk02442]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1321839914' post='879478']
Hes a press man cover corner. One of the knocks on him was that he wasnt the same corner in off coverage. Personally I think Simpson would have been punked at the line by Smith if it was press coverage but thats just me. Like Dierdorf said, it looked like Smith guessed on a short stop route.
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Thats what happens when youR DB all play 15 yards of the line of scrimage. We need to jam them up at the line , thats why the safteys are there for over the top help.

[BmoreRavens732]

As I said on another post Jimmy made a rookie mistake on the TD...he didn't get beat physically he just expected a different route...ROOKIE MISTAKE!!!

[dpatrickguy]

Surprised no one has mentioned this but I believe Suggs or Reed said after the game that the play Jimmy got beat on was a busted play. They were supposed to show blitz and drop back but the call got cut off and they didn't hear they had to drop back. Doesn't absolve him but clearly the play was partially due to some confusion.

[Free Agent]

[quote name='RavenousBG' timestamp='1321839941' post='879481'] Understood. He did get beaten a couple times today and also had some good plays. So you're right but we are talking about a former practice squad guy who wasn't expected to be starting this year. Just couldn't keep him off the field. He's young and still has upside to realize. But he does need to be more consistent/ BTW, I like the old Madden Football cover you got there. Madden '91 '92 and '93 made me money at Morgan State back in the day. I was so good I let my competition pick my team and I would still beat them and take their money. I wish they had a Madden bus back then. I'm just good these days.[/quote]

I definitely agree that Cary has impressed for being a former practice squadder. Im sure as he gets more experience he will get better and more consistent.

Thats pretty sweet that you made some money off the classic Madden games! Those classic Maddens were pretty great... at the time

[ItallstartswithD]

did anyone else notice the play during the first half, the one where pollard tipped the ball at the line of scrimage to cause an incompletion.....on the other side of the field, jimmy hit his guy about 5 yards off the LOS and put him on his back haha

[colljb9]

Not sure if anyone saw this but suggs did mention that on the play where Jimmy got burned they were supposed to show blitz and then back off which would give jimmy help over the top. Not taking away from the bad but he should have had help on that play...other than that he looked pretty darn good and showed great ball skills to get his head around on the interception. I think eventually it should be webb and jimmy as 1 and 2 and on nickle coverages but williams and jimmy outside with webb inside...Cary shows great coverage on some balls but has some head scratching plays as well.

[BenDufusberger]

I love the way the vets tried to buck Jimmy up about the fumble in the postgame interviews. Ed Reed explained how the exact same thing happened to him as a rookie , and Webb said that Jimmy's interception was the play that turned the game , and the one that most boosted the confidence of the Ravens.

That kind of support has to take a lot of the sting out of it for Jimmy , and it'll make it easier for him to just move on to next week.

Somebody could have also thanked him for giving them the opportunity to pile up on Ron Winter , but I guess that might have been considered in poor taste.

[Radinho84]

[quote name='K-Dog' timestamp='1321836672' post='879337']
considering this really is like his second game I say pretty impressive and a lot of mistakes can be forgiven.
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you are right and it is a shame that it was only his second game. he played really good. i don care about the long play because it looked like it was a miss communication. think he thought he had safety help...

he was with his guy almost all the time he was in there and dalton didn't targeted him very often.
he should see the field more from here on out because we need him badly for the future!!!