Paul Kruger An Elite Pass Rusher In The Making.

[Ravenseconbeast]

Uhh...i'd rather not resign kruger. Were tight on salary cap, i rather keep mcphee full time. Kruger had his +4 years doing little to nothing

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1321849327' post='879741']
Uhh...i'd rather not resign kruger. Were tight on salary cap, i rather keep mcphee full time. Kruger had his +4 years doing little to nothing
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For what its worth, Kruger is half way through his 3rd year....not 4+.

[D-Rey]

[quote name='ball hawkin 20' timestamp='1321837009' post='879351']

its not..look up the statistics for the game, theres a difference between grounding and a sack.
[/quote]
I know the difference between grounding and a sack. There was a play, I thought it was the Suggs play but I maybe wrong, where the commentators said they called the play a sack instead of intentional grounding because the refs ended it before he threw it. Regardless intentional grounding is just as a sack. It just doesn't show up on his stat sheet.

[D-Rey]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1321850206' post='879757']
For what its worth, Kruger is half way through his 3rd year....not 4+.
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Ya he's still young and was misused by the coaches previous to this year. I think we should resign him and he probably wouldn't be expensive.

[Radinho84]

i think kruger is on a good way. he is getting more and more playing time and he is always in the backfield rushing the qb. he was held a lot and i could´t believe not seeing any flag thrown in his direction that day. never the less i wash´t that much impressed with our pass rush again. we gave dalton way too many time to find open receivers. our dbs cannot cover those guys forever. that is the only thing that i am a little unhappy about. but i think they can turn it around and hopefully don´t let the 49ers go for 500 yards against us!!!

[Ravenseconbeast]

Cant hurry the QB, and its almost a gurantee some QB will have a field day. And 9ers have the best O-line in NFL right now. Kruger and the rest of rushers will need to have the best game yet.

[scrock]

I think Kruger and McPhee could be really good in the future, I'm wondering what has happened to our pass rush lately

Is Suggs and Ngata more injured than we know? Ngata hasn't been dominating lately and Suggs? He's been quiet

Its disturbing when you cant sack the QB against the worst OL in the league, Seattle Seahawks

[H8R]

Andrew Whitworth has given us problems most of the time. Kruger lit him up with the spin move. Whitworth had to hold on for dear life. Kruger is a fine rushed, that's for sure. Him and Pernell can do some crazy things.

[Alexir]

man people on these message boards are quick to use the word elite. Cary is somehow our Revis, Kruger is an elite pass rusher and Flacco is in the top echelon of QBs.

Your lips are stained bro, that purple kool aid is painting your gums.

[H8R]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1321881939' post='880018']
man people on these message boards are quick to use the word elite. Cary is somehow our Revis, Kruger is an elite pass rusher and Flacco is in the top echelon of QBs.

Your lips are stained bro, that purple kool aid is painting your gums.
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Kruger is a situational pass rusher coming into his own, or at least filling the roles he's asked to do. I don't think he's elite, but he's much improved, thats for certain.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Ravenseconbeast' timestamp='1321849327' post='879741']
Uhh...i'd rather not resign kruger. Were tight on salary cap, i rather keep mcphee full time. Kruger had his +4 years doing little to nothing
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McPhee is on a 3 or 4 year contract as it is anyways.

[BloodRaven]

He's much more explosive than I thought he would be.

[XxSizzleXx]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1321909571' post='880622']
He's much more explosive than I thought he would be.
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Yea he is looking good with that weight off from last year.

[The Raven]

If you want me to be totally honest... Suggs hasn't even been getting doubled as much as people imply. Iv'e watched the games, and he's been 1 on 1 with the tackle most times. I've actually seen Kruger doubled more than Suggs sometimes. Call me crazy, but I don't think I'm seeing things. At least I hope not. Suggs always talks about this "Beast Mode", but I haven't seen it since Week 1. Sure, he's made some plays, but where is this "Beast Mode" that he brags about?

To whoever said Kruger won't be resigned due to cap issues, you're wrong... Kruger will definitely be resigned. If anything Jarret Johnson is released, not Kruger. Kruger offers so much to our pass rush I can't see us releasing him. The thought of that actually disgusts me.

Kruger has had a great season so far, and he has been our most [i]consistent [/i]pass rusher. Him and McPhee are sick together.

[codizzle]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1321912400' post='880673']
If you want me to be totally honest... Suggs hasn't even been getting doubled as much as people imply. Iv'e watched the games, and he's been 1 on 1 with the tackle most times. I've actually seen Kruger doubled more than Suggs sometimes. Call me crazy, but I don't think I'm seeing things. At least I hope not. Suggs always talks about this "Beast Mode", but I haven't seen it since Week 1. Sure, he's made some plays, but where is this "Beast Mode" that he brags about?

To whoever said Kruger won't be resigned due to cap issues, you're wrong... Kruger will definitely be resigned. If anything Jarret Johnson is released, not Kruger. Kruger offers so much to our pass rush I can't see us releasing him. The thought of that actually disgusts me.

Kruger has had a great season so far, and he has been our most [i]consistent [/i]pass rusher. Him and McPhee are sick together.
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suggs hasnt been.doubled at all barely recently..
Even yesterday when he wasnt on whitworth, cincy still left him 1v1

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1321912400' post='880673']
If you want me to be totally honest... Suggs hasn't even been getting doubled as much as people imply. Iv'e watched the games, and he's been 1 on 1 with the tackle most times. I've actually seen Kruger doubled more than Suggs sometimes. Call me crazy, but I don't think I'm seeing things. At least I hope not. [b]Suggs always talks about this "Beast Mode", but I haven't seen it since Week 1. Sure, he's made some plays, but where is this "Beast Mode" that he brags about?[/b]

To whoever said Kruger won't be resigned due to cap issues, you're wrong... Kruger will definitely be resigned. If anything Jarret Johnson is released, not Kruger. Kruger offers so much to our pass rush I can't see us releasing him. The thought of that actually disgusts me.

Kruger has had a great season so far, and he has been our most [i]consistent [/i]pass rusher. Him and McPhee are sick together.
[/quote]

Didn't he have a monster game against the Cardinals? And even though he didn't log a sack yesterday, he applied pressure a number of times and it was his pressure that forced Dalton's intentional grounding.

[XxSizzleXx]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1321912540' post='880677']
suggs hasnt been.doubled at all barely recently..
Even yesterday when he wasnt on whitworth, cincy still left him 1v1
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lol, we must not watch the same games man. Suggs biggest play came when he was doubled(the intentional grounding). He beat the the tackle out wide and tossed Leonard to the ground to get to Dalton.

[The Raven]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1321912540' post='880677']
suggs hasnt been.doubled at all barely recently..
Even yesterday when he wasnt on whitworth, cincy still left him 1v1
[/quote]

Yeah, its upsetting. After such a great season last year, he's taken a little step back imo.


[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1321912638' post='880678']
Didn't he have a monster game against the Cardinals? And even though he didn't log a sack yesterday, he applied pressure a number of times and it was his pressure that forced Dalton's intentional grounding.
[/quote]

I wouldn't call that a "monster" game. He's had too many quiet games. He keeps boasting about beast mode but I have not seen it. I saw Whitworth own him. I saw Starks own him. I saw it. And at first, I thought, ehh, just a bad game, he'll bounce back. But he hasn't. He's in a slump, and I want so see him break that slump.

[The Raven]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' timestamp='1321912834' post='880682']

lol, we must not watch the same games man. Suggs biggest play came when he was doubled(the intentional grounding). He beat the the tackle out wide and tossed Leonard to the ground to get to Dalton.
[/quote]

Man, I haven't seen it either. He's been 1v1 the majority of games, not just against Cincy. Obviously there are moments where he beats the tackle and beats the double team but he hasn't done that consistently.

[XxSizzleXx]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1321912996' post='880684']

Man, I haven't seen it either. He's been 1v1 the majority of games, not just against Cincy. Obviously there are moments where he beats the tackle and beats the double team but he hasn't done that consistently.
[/quote]

I don't think there is a guy in the league who can consistently beat tackles and double teams, you're making it sound far too easy.

[XxSizzleXx]

There has only been 1 guy this year IMO that has consistently beat tackles and the few double teams. Jared Allen is the only who on a week to week basis that has been able to do it. I don't include D Ware because 4 of his sacks came in one game, where as Allens are spread out tthroughout the entire year so far.

[Ed_Reed20]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1321912892' post='880683']
I wouldn't call that a "monster" game. He's had too many quiet games. He keeps boasting about beast mode but I have not seen it. I saw Whitworth own him. I saw Starks own him. I saw it. And at first, I thought, ehh, just a bad game, he'll bounce back. But he hasn't. He's in a slump, and I want so see him break that slump.
[/quote]

I'd say it was a monster game. He was credited with 13 combined tackles, he had a sack and his hit on Kolb forced an INT.

I agree he's been quite since then and Starks and Whitworth(unsurprisingly) shut him down, but Suggs has turned it on late before. No reason he can't or won't do it again.

[XxSizzleXx]

[quote name='Ed_Reed20' timestamp='1321913510' post='880701']
I'd say it was a monster game. He was credited with 13 combined tackles, he had a sack and his hit on Kolb forced an INT.

I agree he's been quite since then and Starks and Whitworth(unsurprisingly) shut him down, but Suggs has turned it on late before. No reason he can't or won't do it again.
[/quote]


Bingo, most of us know Suggs ususallys turns up the heat as the winter approaches. People are overreacting IMO as I think he would be in the running for DPOY if he could wrap up better.

To put in perspective Suggs is basically having twice the year Julius Peppers is having.

[berad]

Suggs was a monster against the Cardinals. Including the plays E_R20 listed, he also flushed Kolb from the pocket numerous times and had a couple sacks slip through his fingertips.

[XxSizzleXx]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1321913767' post='880706']
Suggs was a monster against the Cardinals. Including the plays E_R20 listed, he also flushed Kolb from the pocket numerous times and had a couple sacks slip through his fingertips.
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Yup, he had two sacks that could not have come any easier slip away from him.

[berad]

[quote name='XxSizzleXx' timestamp='1321913871' post='880708']
Yup, he had two sacks that could not have come any easier slip away from him.
[/quote]

One of them could have been called "in the grasp" but I don't want to tread into the murky world of judgement calls in the NFL.

[scrock]

To whoever the clueless one said Kruger had his 4+ years and we shouldn't resign him....why? Its not his fault the coaches had him going back and forth between positions. It seemed like under our old DC he didnt want to play young guys....so Kruger finally goes back to where he was supposed to play and finally gets time on the field and produces, which Kruger and McPhee our pass rush numbers would be even worse than they are now.

NO !!! We keep Kruger and McPhee....we can afford them because they arent household names yet...they are still backups that at some point will probably be starters

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1321912400' post='880673']
If you want me to be totally honest... Suggs hasn't even been getting doubled as much as people imply. Iv'e watched the games, and he's been 1 on 1 with the tackle most times. I've actually seen Kruger doubled more than Suggs sometimes. Call me crazy, but I don't think I'm seeing things. At least I hope not. Suggs always talks about this "Beast Mode", but I haven't seen it since Week 1. Sure, he's made some plays, but where is this "Beast Mode" that he brags about?

To whoever said Kruger won't be resigned due to cap issues, you're wrong... Kruger will definitely be resigned. If anything Jarret Johnson is released, not Kruger. Kruger offers so much to our pass rush I can't see us releasing him. The thought of that actually disgusts me.

Kruger has had a great season so far, and he has been our most [i]consistent [/i]pass rusher. Him and McPhee are sick together.
[/quote]

Those are all good points, the only thing I would say is in the grey is wether Kruger is re-signed. Obviously on paper it sounds like a no-brainer to sign a big potential pass rusher like Kruger in a pass orientated league especially when you have a starting OLB who can't get a sack to save his life, but then that's what everyone thought we would do with Antwan Barnes [url="http://forums.signonsandiego.com/showthread.php?t=114449"](who has quietly become a dominant pass rusher in SD)[/url].

It comes down to how this defense is geared, and that's to stop the run first then generate team pressure against the pass. Wide rushing sack artists and single gap interior rushers will often sacrifice gap integrity for high sack totals, this is why sack numbers generally don't reflect how good a pass defense is, the Vikings for example lead the league with 31 team sacks yet are ranked 27th against the pass. JJ might only have 2.5 sacks but he is one of the reasons why we're the stingiest defense in yards per carry allowed and passing touchdowns conceded, while Kruger is the better pass rusher JJ fits the defense better.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1321924797' post='880896']
Those are all good points, the only thing I would say is in the grey is wether Kruger is re-signed. Obviously on paper it sounds like a no-brainer to sign a big potential pass rusher like Kruger in a pass orientated league especially when you have a starting OLB who can't get a sack to save his life, but then that's what everyone thought we would do with Antwan Barnes [url="http://forums.signonsandiego.com/showthread.php?t=114449"](who has quietly become a dominant pass rusher in SD)[/url].

It comes down to how this defense is geared, and that's to stop the run first then generate team pressure against the pass. Wide rushing sack artists and single gap interior rushers will often sacrifice gap integrity for high sack totals, this is why sack numbers generally don't reflect how good a pass defense is, the Vikings for example lead the league with 31 team sacks yet are ranked 27th against the pass. JJ might only have 2.5 sacks but he is one of the reasons why we're the stingiest defense in yards per carry allowed and passing touchdowns conceded, while Kruger is the better pass rusher JJ fits the defense better.
[/quote]
Word to all that. But JJ is 31 (?) so eventually we'll have to replace him in the next couple years, likely when his contract expires. The difference with Barnes and Kruger is that Kruger is a 2nd round pick and Barnes was a 4th rounder. So the investment in Kruger is significantly higher, plus Kruger also has the ideal size for OLB. Kruger also has decent coverage skills, though he struggles tackling in space. The only thing Barnes could ever do is run fast around the edge on T's. So I think Kruger has more potential to be able to fill a full time role than Barnes ever did.