Ravens Shooting Selves In Foot With Shotgun ?

[CapoRocky]

Many great running backs have had a short career in the NFL. Hopefully, Rice stays healthy. Resting MacGahee helped him prolong his career, but he still couldn't dodge the injury bug this year.

[Ray Ray Ravens]

They say one thing and do another. They even went as far as picking up the best true FB in the game and went the other way. We cant vote for them so why are they acting like politicians? Even Harbs presser made me think he was a member of congress.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1321400885' post='872902']

I wouldn't go that far. But this is gonna help us in contract negotiations, if there is a bright side to this lackluster run game.
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Part of me thinks that may be why he isnt being featured, but I cant truly believe that. Honestly, I just think Cam has some sort of mental block at times. There is no reason why we cant run out of the shotgun or with a spread offense. In fact, I would venture to say that Ray Rice would be even more effective if he is used in that fashion where there is more space to make cut backs and find the running lanes. Cam just falls in love with the pass at times and it really compromises our offensive efficiency.

[slowhand]

Shotgun isn't killing the Ravens, inconsistency is.

I am not a big fan of Cam Cameron, but he is taking way too much flack for the Seattle game, he was far from the reason the Ravens lost to the Seahawks.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='slowhand' timestamp='1321403659' post='872954']
[b]Shotgun isn't killing the Ravens, inconsistency is.[/b]

I am not a big fan of Cam Cameron, but he is taking way too much flack for the Seattle game, he was far from the reason the Ravens lost to the Seahawks.
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Wow, thanks for the insight. And there is absolutely no way Cam Cameron is taking too much flack for the Seattle game. It's inexcusable to hand the ball to Rice [b]5 times. [/b]He is the best playmaker on our team, and by not giving him the ball Cam helped out their defense. It's that simple.

[BenDufusberger]

[quote name='slowhand' timestamp='1321403659' post='872954']
Shotgun isn't killing the Ravens, inconsistency is.

I am not a big fan of Cam Cameron, but he is taking way too much flack for the Seattle game, he was far from the reason the Ravens lost to the Seahawks.
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It's possible to recognize that there were multiple failures that contributed to the Seattle loss , while still pointing out that Cam was one of them. The difference between Reed's fumbles and Cam is that we're not going to see Reed fumble twice every game for the rest of the year , while we may well be exposed to Cam dropping the ball , game after game.

I will puke if I hear Harbs , in the aftermath of the regular season , having bungled our way out of a seed in the postseason , explaining what we're going to do to try to make the playoffs next year , saying : " Well , we've got one of the best backs in the league. Clearly , we've got to get him more involved in the offense. And we're going to sit down and figure out how we can get better against the 4-3 defense. Because that's what we do , we always work at getting better. "

[PurpleCorsair]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1321399098' post='872853']
haha, a week ago the Shotgun was saving us, everyone loved it and wanted them to use it more

...what's killing us in the past few weeks is getting down early, not running the ball very well or at all, dropping balls

and this past game fumbling on special teams and missing Field Goals
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With 14:30 left in the third quarter down by nine, I think we can afford to run the football more than once....

[JohnJohnson]

The #1 reason that we lost was David Reed. But frankly, we do stupid stuff on offense. It's not about one formation all the time, it's about UNPREDICTABILITY. And Cam Cameron can have games where he does terribly predictable things. This was one of them. You shouldn't be under center on 1st and 2nd down and then in shotgun on 3rd down, and then in shotgun on every play because you're down 10 points. It's just absurd, even Pete Carroll (who is not a good coach) said that he was hoping we would go into that stupid pass happy mode. Fundamentally, it's really not that complicated, but Cam Cameron just can't control himself sometimes. We ran the ball effectively twice from shotgun, twice out of two attempts.

[D_UP]

Alot of people were calling for this type of offense alot last year. Let joe throw the ball they said now its out of control. No balance to the offense we were down 10-0 and we completely abandoned the run. There is no reason flacco should be throwing the ball 50+ times and rice gets 8 carries. Starts with the head yes you can blame cam, but harbaugh is the head coach he could've said at anytime get the ball to rice. It still unbelievable to me how we forget to get rice involved more I miss the days of the checkdown atleast it got the ball into the hands of our best player on offense.

[BenDufusberger]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1321411644' post='873057']
It's just absurd, even Pete Carroll (who is not a good coach) said that he was hoping we would go into that stupid pass happy mode. [/quote]

I hadn't heard that , but Google got this for me : "Eye on Football Awards" - CBS

[b]Pete Carroll, HC, Seahawks[/b]
(John)Harbaugh deserves some credit too, because Carroll hoped the Ravens would get away from [url="http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/players/playerpage/1243206"][color="#3b5998"]Ray Rice[/color][/url] and the run game and that's exactly what happened. It's not every day you're out-schemed by Carroll. We can only hope that [url="http://cbssports.com/images/blogs/tell-jim-hi.jpg"][color="#6e8dcf"]during this post-game handshake[/color][/url] Caroll reminded John to [url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WeS3VeluAmg"][color="#3b5998"]say hello to his brother Jim for him[/color][/url]

[url="http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/33331357"]http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/33331357[/url]


Congrats to Carroll. The Seahawks successfully imposed their will on the Ravens.

The Seahawks.

[BloodRaven]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1321401220' post='872909']

Ehh. Just a theory I had. Maybe just trying to find some positive in this. But there really isn't.
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You're right in theory, but we all know there are some boneheaded GM's out there who will look at Rice and see Jesus walking on water.

[slowhand]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1321404443' post='872965']
Wow, thanks for the insight. And there is absolutely no way Cam Cameron is taking too much flack for the Seattle game. It's inexcusable to hand the ball to Rice [b]5 times. [/b]He is the best playmaker on our team, and by not giving him the ball Cam helped out their defense. It's that simple.
[/quote]


Uhhh... you're welcome?

Blame Cam Cameron all you want, he wasn't the reason the Ravens lost on Sunday.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='slowhand' timestamp='1321449902' post='873212']


Uhhh... you're welcome?

Blame Cam Cameron all you want, he wasn't the reason the Ravens lost on Sunday.
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No, not THE reason, but certainly A reason.

[slowhand]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1321453318' post='873226']
No, not THE reason, but certainly A reason.
[/quote]

So do you think if Rice had around 15 more carries on Sunday, the Ravens end up winning?

I don't like the fact that Rice only got the ball 5 times, but between Cundiff missing kicks, Reed's constant fumbling, and the D not being able to stop Lynch at the end of the game, I doubt it really would have mattered in the end.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='slowhand' timestamp='1321456997' post='873270']

So do you think if Rice had around 15 more carries on Sunday, the Ravens end up winning?

I don't like the fact that Rice only got the ball 5 times, but between Cundiff missing kicks, Reed's constant fumbling, and the D not being able to stop Lynch at the end of the game, I doubt it really would have mattered in the end.
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You answered it for me...it was A reason we lost. Very poor/questionable play calling was a factor as to why we lost on Sunday. Not THE only factor, but absolutely was one of them.

[ryanpatt28]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1321453318' post='873226']
No, not THE reason, but certainly A reason.
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all harbaugh had to do was tell cameron to start calling some running plays rice getting 5 carries is just as much harbaughs fault as it is camerons

[gabefergy]

[quote name='ryanpatt28' timestamp='1321461786' post='873336']

all harbaugh had to do was tell cameron to start calling some running plays rice getting 5 carries is just as much harbaughs fault as it is camerons
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To an extent you are right, but it really should never have to come to that. Cam should know better as an OC, but Harbs should have recognized the error as well.

[ryanpatt28]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1321461954' post='873340']
To an extent you are right, but it really should never have to come to that. Cam should know better as an OC, but Harbs should have recognized the error as well.
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harbs can tell cameron we picked up vonta leach to destroy people not run little 3 yard flat patterns

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='ryanpatt28' timestamp='1321462060' post='873342']

harbs can tell cameron we picked up vonta leach to destroy people not run little 3 yard flat patterns
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And then Cam turns around and does what he wants because Harbs wont stand up to Cam.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='slowhand' timestamp='1321456997' post='873270']

So do you think if Rice had around 15 more carries on Sunday, the Ravens end up winning?

I don't like the fact that Rice only got the ball 5 times, but between Cundiff missing kicks, Reed's constant fumbling, and the D not being able to stop Lynch at the end of the game, I doubt it really would have mattered in the end.
[/quote]

It might have. Forcing the Seahawks' defense to respect the run may have opened up passing lanes and given us a shot or two downfield that could have won the game. We'll never know. But I think the point here is that we weren't down by a lot and we still had plenty of time left in the game. Constantly trying to pass did 2 things: 1) it allowed the Seahawks' defense to play one dimensional, and since they knew we were pretty much going to pass every time they could drop guys back into coverage and make it harder to pass, and 2) it gassed the defense, because we couldn't make first downs and control the clock, so when we needed them to come up with big stops at the end, they couldn't do it. I for one believe that a balanced attack in every game is the key to success, and the fact is we were far from balanced on Sunday. The Seahawks were so set on defending the pass, who knows, Ray Rice might have found a huge hole and given us the extra score we needed to win. Or at least the defense might have been able to make one or two more critical stops and given us the ball back. But you're right, there were plenty of more problems, David Reed's fumbling being the worst because it led to easy points for the Seahawks, which ultimately was the difference in the game.

[ryanpatt28]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1321462863' post='873352']

And then Cam turns around and does what he wants because Harbs wont stand up to Cam.
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well thats a terrible head coach

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='ryanpatt28' timestamp='1321464807' post='873393']

well thats a terrible head coach
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and if you were expecting an argument you got the wrong guy.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1321464936' post='873398']

and if you were expecting an argument you got the wrong guy.
[/quote]
It's sad but true...I wonder how Jim Harbaugh has so much success with the winless 49ers from last year....

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Ray Ray Ravens' timestamp='1321398238' post='872832']
The [u][b]Packers run the ball about 45 percent of the time[/b][/u]. Where do people come up with this Packers only pass thing is beyond me. Thats why Rodgers can make plays because [u][b]they are balanced and hes not forced to be one dimensional[/b][/u].
[/quote]

agreed!

and that also means that they pass 55% of the time. why? not only because they are balanced BUT, they cater to the strengths of their offensive personnel which is the "passing" game. where our Ravens...have failed to realize that their offensive personnel is geared more towards a serious "running" game (Rice, Leach, Williams, Dickson & Pitta) with the ability to take shots through the air as well (Boldin, Torrey, Lee and Laquain etc.). they lack identity and balance offensively and it shows in their up and down gameplay. the lack of OTA's is no excuse for this cause NO TEAM had that and...the Packers had NO organized workouts like other teams did and they are 9-0. go figure!

~Mili

[The Raven]

[quote name='slowhand' timestamp='1321456997' post='873270']

So do you think if Rice had around 15 more carries on Sunday, the Ravens end up winning?

I don't like the fact that Rice only got the ball 5 times, but between Cundiff missing kicks, Reed's constant fumbling, and the D not being able to stop Lynch at the end of the game, I doubt it really would have mattered in the end.
[/quote]

I don't know, but if you look at the evidence, we're 6-0 when Rice has more than 12 carries. I don't know if it would have made a difference, but it couldn't have made the O any worse. We were only down by [i]10, in the first quarter[/i], and we run it 5 times all game. Now, tell me honestly if that sounds like a good idea. Keep in mind Rice had a 5.4 YPC avg.

[ryanpatt28]

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1321467417' post='873474']
It's sad but true...I wonder how Jim Harbaugh has so much success with the winless 49ers from last year....
[/quote]

he went in there in just changed their whole identity they look like the ravens from the 08-09