Do We Really Have A Superbowl Team? Or Just Posing As One?

[Carson16Lax]

There's a difference between being realistic, and being a true fan.. and the first page I briefly skimmed through have showed me nobody that is either. You're all foolish to think we can't take this team to the Super Bowl. We lose against bad teams that run a 4-3 mainly. In the playoffs, we won't be playing ANY bad teams. We've beaten a few playoffs shoo ins already this year, convincingly. Right now, I think some of the biggest issues we may have in the playoffs is possibly having to play away, but I highly doubt we'll lose to the Colts (as said in the first page). The Colts literally are, THAT BAD. God, this first page is just treacherous, and harbored by complete idiots. I can't even really argue against the stupid things that got said, it's just complete ridiculousness.

Bandwagoners.

[good_n_purple]

[quote name='Blex64' timestamp='1321375569' post='872368']

We didn't have the same issues in this game we had in the previous ones.
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Ummmm...a putrid offensive effort, getting behind early, not being able to run the ball, dropped passes at critical times, crap special teams play, the defense caving at critcal times? I think we had the exact same issues as before, but the Reed fumbles (I know he had one before) were the newest addition to an already sorry list.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1321378262' post='872412']
Thats your opinion, not a fact. Harbaugh made a few errors last game, but overall he has done very well as an NFL coach. Not sure how you can make 3 straight playoffs and win at least 1 game each year and be trash. Now Cam is another story, he has been really good this year at times and he has also been terrible at times. If he gets back to a balanced offensive game built around Ray Rice I think we can still have success. I am definitely not a fan of Cam, but he is what he is and we just have to hope he stops trying to outsmart himself.
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All I have seen Harbaugh do is take a really talented roster and manage a game, his gameplanning is suspect at best, he said he would have a personal hand in fixing the offense, that has worked out beautifully. Cam has decided that he wants to cause all sorts of issues on offense and his good ol boy connections with Harbs is the reason he is still employed, whose fault is that ?? HArbs. He gives home answers that really descride nothing and then he says he does not see an opportunity to run the ball more than 5 times in a half in a game that you are very much still a part of....sounds like a brilliant coach. What was his specialty ST right??? Coincidentally we suck at that too.

Name something [b]specifically[/b] he has done or brought here. And winning is excluded for the fact the 2 seasons before he got here we were 13-3, and the reason we had a down season was injuries.

At least my opinion can be backed up by solid data whether or not it can be empirically proven one way or the other. I would love to see some of his pros. His legacy will be inconsistency nothing more nothing less.

[bpytnjr58]

[quote name='TreTheRaven' timestamp='1321310991' post='871297']
Do the Ravens have the talent for a Super Bowl team? Yes
Do the Ravens have the coaching to lead to a Super Bowl? No.
Are the Ravens consistent enough to reach the Super Bowl? No.
Are the Ravens disappointing this year? Yes.
Will the Steelers more than likely win the north this season? Yes
Will the Ravens beat the Colts? After losses to the Jaguars, Titans and Seahawks ... probably not.

As much as I'd like to say yes to most of those questions, I think we all know we'd be lying to ourselves. It's really hard to remain faithful in this years squad. I have dropped all faith I have in this years squad. Bring on next season.

I will say this though -- I do hope they prove me wrong.
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I really really hope the Colts win a game before Dec 11th.

[UMDan]

Green Bay had major issues last year and lost to the Redskins, Lions, and Dolphins, ... just saying.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1321380653' post='872469']

All I have seen Harbaugh do is take a really talented roster and manage a game, his gameplanning is suspect at best, he said he would have a personal hand in fixing the offense, that has worked out beautifully. Cam has decided that he wants to cause all sorts of issues on offense and his good ol boy connections with Harbs is the reason he is still employed, whose fault is that ?? HArbs. He gives home answers that really descride nothing and then he says he does not see an opportunity to run the ball more than 5 times in a half in a game that you are very much still a part of....sounds like a brilliant coach. What was his specialty ST right??? Coincidentally we suck at that too.

Name something [b]specifically[/b] he has done or brought here. [b]And winning is excluded for the fact the 2 seasons before he got here we were 13-3, and the reason we had a down season was injuries.[/b]

At least my opinion can be backed up by solid data whether or not it can be empirically proven one way or the other. I would love to see some of his pros. His legacy will be inconsistency nothing more nothing less.
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Well my argument would be you are completely discounting the amount of leadership and preparation that a HC brings to the team. You seem to think that just having a talented roster is enough to have a winning team, but I believe we all know that isnt the case. Every single year there are pre-season favorites that have tons of talent that fail to make the playoffs. There is absolutely no way you can just discount winning seasons, making the playoffs, and being successful 3 out of 3 years. What is the main objective of the HC? Winning. That is exactly what Harbaugh has done. What he specifically does he bring? Well, I dont know that, but the players all seem to have a great deal of respect for Harbs and that by itself says a lot. Look at how he interacts with vets like Ray Lewis and Ed Reed. They love their HC. Now, obviously I dont attend team meetings or talk to the HC or the players, but [i]it's hard to argue with success[/i].

This year has been frustrating when we lose to teams we should beat, but you cant just hate on the coach after a loss and give him 0 credit when we win. Call it inconsistency if you want, but sweeping Pitt and winning tough games over the Texans and Jets speaks to how well this team prepares.

As for ST sucking I dont have an answer for that, but no amount of coaching can make a kicker make a FG or a returner not to fumble. Last year our ST was the best in the league. I dont know how we go from being the best to worst in one season, but I think it has a lot to do with all the young players we have now that lack experience. Hopefully, we will see some growth over the second half of the season in that area.

[Ravenseconbeast]

[quote name='UMDan' timestamp='1321381162' post='872484']Green Bay had major issues last year and lost to the Redskins, Lions, and Dolphins, ... just saying.[/quote]

They also had half of their superstars injured till playoff all season

[skeltah]

We have the talent, just not the mindset.
I think the Ravens should sit down and watch last nights Viks/Pats game as a demonstration of how to play against a team with a losing record.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1321385350' post='872568']
Well my argument would be you are completely discounting the amount of leadership and preparation that a HC brings to the team. You seem to think that just having a talented roster is enough to have a winning team, but I believe we all know that isnt the case. Every single year there are pre-season favorites that have tons of talent that fail to make the playoffs. There is absolutely no way you can just discount winning seasons, making the playoffs, and being successful 3 out of 3 years. What is the main objective of the HC? Winning. That is exactly what Harbaugh has done. What he specifically does he bring? Well, I dont know that, but the players all seem to have a great deal of respect for Harbs and that by itself says a lot. Look at how he interacts with vets like Ray Lewis and Ed Reed. They love their HC. Now, obviously I dont attend team meetings or talk to the HC or the players, but [i]it's hard to argue with success[/i].

This year has been frustrating when we lose to teams we should beat, but you cant just hate on the coach after a loss and give him 0 credit when we win. Call it inconsistency if you want, but sweeping Pitt and winning tough games over the Texans and Jets speaks to how well this team prepares.

As for ST sucking I dont have an answer for that, but no amount of coaching can make a kicker make a FG or a returner not to fumble. Last year our ST was the best in the league. I dont know how we go from being the best to worst in one season, but I think it has a lot to do with all the young players we have now that lack experience. Hopefully, we will see some growth over the second half of the season in that area.
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Yeah winning matters but we were winners before he got here so how much of that are you going to attribute him, And you can say what you wnat about Joe being a rookie, but a rookie Joe was better than any QB we have ever had. As for what he brings to the table, I dont know to me it seems if the coach is the one getting people amped and prepared then it would either be consistently good, bad, or mediocre but it isnt consistently anything. That could be indicative of the players only getting up for games they feel are the important one. It is not like he came to a franchise in shambles and then turned us into a winner that is not how it happened and everybody knows it. He is nothing more than a game manager and probably never will be, I have never supported him, I always wanted Rex as the HC, so this is not some knee jerk reaction. I think he was promoted way to fast and is really lost in the world of the big boys.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1321390088' post='872672']


Yeah winning matters but we were winners before he got here so how much of that are you going to attribute him, And you can say what you wnat about Joe being a rookie, but a rookie Joe was better than any QB we have ever had. As for what he brings to the table, I dont know to me it seems if the coach is the one getting people amped and prepared then it would either be consistently good, bad, or mediocre but it isnt consistently anything. That could be indicative of the players only getting up for games they feel are the important one. It is not like he came to a franchise in shambles and then turned us into a winner that is not how it happened and everybody knows it. He is nothing more than a game manager and probably never will be, I have never supported him, I always wanted Rex as the HC, so this is not some knee jerk reaction. I think he was promoted way to fast and is really lost in the world of the big boys.
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I understand your frustration with Harbaugh, but we really werent consistent winners before he got here. The Ravens were an up and down team. I dont think we had made consecutive Playoff appearances since 2000 and 2001. We are now on pace to make the playoffs 4 consecutive years. I dont see how you believe the coaching staff has nothing to do with that string of success. Harbs isnt an offensive genius or a defensive mastermind, but he has been around football his entire life and knows how to win. He knows how to motivate and prepare the players to go out there and play hard every week. To me thats all that matters. I hate losing to bad teams just as much as any other fan, but there are very few coaches that I would rather have than Harbs. Belichick, Peyton, and McCarthy but thats about it. I certainly wouldnt want Rex Ryan. All he can do is talk big, but he cant back it up. Now he's throwing his QB under the bus to add to the laundry list of times he has stuck his foot in his mouth. No pun intended.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1321392614' post='872716']
I understand your frustration with Harbaugh, but we really werent consistent winners before he got here. The Ravens were an up and down team. I dont think we had made consecutive Playoff appearances since 2000 and 2001. We are now on pace to make the playoffs 4 consecutive years. I dont see how you believe the coaching staff has nothing to do with that string of success. Harbs isnt an offensive genius or a defensive mastermind, but he has been around football his entire life and knows how to win. He knows how to motivate and prepare the players to go out there and play hard every week. To me thats all that matters. I hate losing to bad teams just as much as any other fan, but there are very few coaches that I would rather have than Harbs. Belichick, Peyton, and McCarthy but thats about it. I certainly wouldnt want Rex Ryan. All he can do is talk big, but he cant back it up. Now he's throwing his QB under the bus to add to the laundry list of times he has stuck his foot in his mouth. No pun intended.
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I know the whole consistency bit, but being honest this is the most talented roster we have ever had, so lets be fair to the other guys we have ahd before too, they had nowhere near this offense, and there are only about 2 defenses that are better than this one in my mind. WE are more balanced than we have ever been. As far as motivated how come they come out so flat against bad teams ? Is it a coincidence that he sat Lee Evans, maybe he thought he would not be needed. In any event he has done nothing to prove he is as good as he is touted on these boards.

As for Rex he went to back to back AFCCG so that speaks a little to his coaching ability and also, and his team is nowhere near as good or as balanced as we are but has made it further, small mysteries I guess. If we have the better personell than what else is there.

[FerrariFan87]

It won't matter what AFC team goes to the Super Bowl, I can't see them keeping up with A-Rod and the Packers... my goodness gracious they're lethal.

[jimmypowder]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1321393834' post='872729']
It won't matter what AFC team goes to the Super Bowl, I can't see them keeping up with A-Rod and the Packers... my goodness gracious they're lethal.
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Yeah they are better then the Patriots that went undefeated in the regular season and lost to the Giants in the Super Bowl.
They would beat our team to a pulp,its sad to say.

[redrum52]

[quote name='jimmypowder' timestamp='1321394262' post='872739']

Yeah they are better then the Patriots that went undefeated in the regular season and lost to the Giants in the Super Bowl.
They would beat our team to a pulp,its sad to say.
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A lot of football left and its not how you start but how you finish. By the end of this season these games could be long forgotten or the start of the ending for the team. Its usually how if you're peaking going into the playoffs. On top of that, the Packers defense is definitely beatable. You play a clock control game with teams like that to tire out their already bad defense and keep the offense from getting a real rhythm.

[ryanpatt28]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1321380653' post='872469']

All I have seen Harbaugh do is take a really talented roster and manage a game, his gameplanning is suspect at best, he said he would have a personal hand in fixing the offense, that has worked out beautifully. Cam has decided that he wants to cause all sorts of issues on offense and his good ol boy connections with Harbs is the reason he is still employed, whose fault is that ?? HArbs. He gives home answers that really descride nothing and then he says he does not see an opportunity to run the ball more than 5 times in a half in a game that you are very much still a part of....sounds like a brilliant coach. What was his specialty ST right??? Coincidentally we suck at that too.

Name something [b]specifically[/b] he has done or brought here. And winning is excluded for the fact the 2 seasons before he got here we were 13-3, and the reason we had a down season was injuries.

At least my opinion can be backed up by solid data whether or not it can be empirically proven one way or the other. I would love to see some of his pros. His legacy will be inconsistency nothing more nothing less.
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you are 100% right i said it 10 times...this team makes it to the playoffs because there are hall of famers and pro bowlers all over the field not because we have a good coach

[gabefergy]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1321393834' post='872729']
It won't matter what AFC team goes to the Super Bowl, I can't see them keeping up with A-Rod and the Packers... my goodness gracious they're lethal.
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I'm not so sold on the Packers, but thats just me. I think their defense is vulnerable and as good as Rodgers has been they have a cupcake schedule. Show me a good pass-defense that they have gone up against...the Chargers? The best team they have played is NO at home and they barely won that game. They arent unbeatable as everyone seems to think they are.

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1321403099' post='872944']
They arent unbeatable as everyone seems to think they are.
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Every team in the NFL is beatable. I don't care what their record is. They get paid just like everyone else. Even the Indianapolis Colts have a measure of talent, as inept as they've been all season without Peyton Manning.

The Green Bay Packers may [i]look[/i] nearly unstoppable, and the season [i]could[/i] certainly end with the first 19-0 record in NFL history, but they haven't done it yet. Until the entire season is finished, the Packers are just as vulnerable and just as human as every other team in the league.

[TreTheRaven]

[quote name='bpytnjr58' timestamp='1321380738' post='872471']
I really really hope the Colts win a game before Dec 11th.
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Lol, you're not the only one. I keep thinking of that winless Dolphins squad from a few years back.

([i]Yes, I realize that was under different coaching[/i].)

[bpytnjr58]

[quote name='TreTheRaven' timestamp='1321418052' post='873124']

Lol, you're not the only one. I keep thinking of that winless Dolphins squad from a few years back.

([i]Yes, I realize that was under different coaching[/i].)
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Yes... and i believe Cam Cameron was the HC in Miami....Go figure!!

[SteelerStone]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1321310855' post='871291']
[b]I dont know...I still think the Steelers or Patriots will get on track[/b]

..I know our defense will bounce back, but since we have a sorry run game right now, we need the receivers to catch everything thrown their way and there is way too many drops....I know Joe missed on a few throws but its hard to get into any kind of rhythm the way we are playing

and our special teams i last in the league or something, not good
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This statement solidifies my thought on the subject although I think the Patriots D is just too bad to go deep in to the playoffs......if they make it.

You may not need an elite QB to get to the playoffs.......and you can even win a super bowl (blind squirrel) once in a while without an elite QB (Eli Manning). But..................to be considered super bowl material you need an elite QB.........so.....................no.

[scrock]

[quote name='SteelerStone' timestamp='1321465473' post='873414']

This statement solidifies my thought on the subject although I think the Patriots D is just too bad to go deep in to the playoffs......if they make it.

You may not need an elite QB to get to the playoffs.......and you can even win a super bowl (blind squirrel) once in a while without an elite QB (Eli Manning). But..................to be considered super bowl material you need an elite QB.........so.....................no.
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while i agree a team can win a Super Bowl once in a while without elite QB play, my post(s) have more to do with the Ravens lack of consistency, Joe is not the problem, his numbers are hurt by the poor play of others, yes he misses on some throws..but its like the same thing last year all over again, he has to carry the offense again because we have no run game but last year guys weren't dropping balls left and right, this year they are and its hurting his numbers

we lost to Seattle because we turned the ball over, missed FGs and the defense couldnt get to the QB, couldnt shut down the run, couldnt get off the field

the offense stalled with no run game, and dropped passes..honestly if they made that stop at the end, i believe Joe would have drove us down the field to win for the 3rd week in a row

[ryanpatt28]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1321473534' post='873613']

while i agree a team can win a Super Bowl once in a while without elite QB play, my post(s) have more to do with the Ravens lack of consistency, Joe is not the problem, his numbers are hurt by the poor play of others, yes he misses on some throws..but its like the same thing last year all over again, he has to carry the offense again because we have no run game but last year guys weren't dropping balls left and right, this year they are and its hurting his numbers

we lost to Seattle because we turned the ball over, missed FGs and the defense couldnt get to the QB, couldnt shut down the run, couldnt get off the field

the offense stalled with no run game, and dropped passes..honestly if they made that stop at the end, i believe Joe would have drove us down the field to win for the 3rd week in a row
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should of been 4 weeks in a row bc he did it in jacksonville and we would of won that game had we kicked it off to gabbert stopped them and put the ball back in flaccos hands

[ryanpatt28]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1321473534' post='873613']

while i agree a team can win a Super Bowl once in a while without elite QB play, my post(s) have more to do with the Ravens lack of consistency, Joe is not the problem, his numbers are hurt by the poor play of others, yes he misses on some throws..but its like the same thing last year all over again, he has to carry the offense again because we have no run game but last year guys weren't dropping balls left and right, this year they are and its hurting his numbers

we lost to Seattle because we turned the ball over, missed FGs and the defense couldnt get to the QB, couldnt shut down the run, couldnt get off the field

the offense stalled with no run game, and dropped passes..honestly if they made that stop at the end, i believe Joe would have drove us down the field to win for the 3rd week in a row
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i agree with you 100% about flacco not being the problem

[ravenwildman]

Would you feel better about our chances if we lost twice to a divisional opponent and once to Houston like the Steelers instead? Relax this is all a pro-Steeler media mind job......we are just fine.

[wizard1]

After evaluating all of the posts on this topic-the one common thread is that we just don't have the consistency to be a Super Bowl winning team. We have some Hall of Fame talent but do not have Hall of Fame coaching. We remain as we have in the past several years a good team without an identity. Though we might beat the Bengals on Sunday we are a good enough team talent wise but are not a good enough team consistency wise to really compete at a higher level week in and week out. Therefore the answer to this topic is sadly we are SB posers and based on team play will probably end the season at 10 and 6 and seeing the Bengals/Jets/or Pats as wild cards. I'm already looking to next year hoping Cam gets fired and we find an identity!

[CapoRocky]

I don't see anyone in the AFC beating the Packers in the Super Bowl. I would love it if the Ravens made it that far this year.

[Ravenslifer]

Just doing some quick stat research, and I noticed something about the "Air Coryell" offense. For all that Dan Fouts is a hall of famer, he threw a ton of interceptions. He has 12 more touchdowns than INTs in his career. Philip Rivers has also thrown double-digit interceptions every year he's played except one. Joe Theismann, Doug Williams, and Mark Rypien also threw a lot of picks in their career. It also has nothing to do with the era they played in; if you look at guys like Young and Montana, who ran a West Coast style offense, they threw far fewer interceptions compared to touchdowns in their career. I think Air Coryell leads to more interceptions, and on a team with such a great defense, I think that will come back to hurt us in the end.

[Radinho84]

let´s face it: it´s a little more played then half the games. we have a lot of football to be played and we are at 6-3.before the season if someone told me we would be 6-3 coming weak ten i would have taken it. we lost a few games but we won some big ones. a lot of teams are standing 6-3 right now. besides the pack no team was really consistent (exalt the steelers losing consistently against us!).

it all depends on how you play the reminding games. go out there and proof that you are a good football team. be able to play your best ball for the remaining games. as long as we play our best and have a complete game i don´t see any team beaten us. we mostly beat ourselves and that has to stop.

so at the end of the day i would say: yes, we are very well be a Super Bowl contender team!!

[jj2020]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1321344331' post='872103']

You claim you was at the game and yet you blaming Flacco for that game? Flacco played aight taking in the circumstances that we fail behind due to two fumbles and from then on, Seattle just stayed in a prevent style D. Sure, Flacco missed on some open players but he was aight, those fumbles and that tipped pass for the pick just hurt us and then not being able to get Seattle off the field on that last drive added to it.
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row BB sec 339 and yes I look at the leaders on the team namely Flacco when the offense fails to preform, succusful teams have succusfull QB look at the prevouse SB winners. Hey we are stuck with Flacco does not mean I gotta like him till he can take the team on his back and make things happen I am not drinking the cool aid any more. He is the QB not just one of the guys in the huddle he needs to drive the ship. No more excuses for Joe Flacco in my book. Sorry dudes thats just how I feel about. However yes I am keeping the jersy

[jj2020]

[quote name='CapoRocky' timestamp='1321495649' post='874043']
I don't see anyone in the AFC beating the Packers in the Super Bowl. I would love it if the Ravens made it that far this year.
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Nobody saw the Giants beating New England in superbowl either.