Do We Really Have A Superbowl Team? Or Just Posing As One?

[BloodRaven]

We probably would go the rest of the season undefeated if it wasn't for week 14. Theres no way we beat the Colts.

[Florida Ravens Fan]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1321317281' post='871529']


do u think we will win out? we need to if we want to win the AFC North because I bet the Steelers will win out..so that means we are a wild card again if we make the playoffs

its not that we have 3 losses....its that we lose to the worst teams in the league and its the pattern thats emerging thats got me upset, we win a big game and dont respond well to that emotional high, we come out flat

its about consistencyr
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Were consistent in losing to bad teams, not good enough? Yea..........no..........ok....

[scrock]

[quote name='bdravens' timestamp='1321317512' post='871538']
Seattle has the best home field advantage IMO. Jackson played like the QB Minnesota had thought they were getting with him. Clean up the ST play and we win that game.
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thats a problem, every other week their QB situation is horrible, they score like 9 points a game..but against us Tavaris Jackson looks like the QB everyone thought he was 5 years ago? Seattle was sportin the worst OL in the league or one of the worst, they gave up the most sacks...our DL couldnt get to the QB and their run game couldnt be stopped

we made Seattle look good

[MLGWL20]

Id rather beat the good teams and lose to bad teams than the other way around. The playoffs arent full of 4-12 teams.

The steelers wont win there last 7 games of the season theyll lose 1 or 2 (SF,Browns,Cinci) same with us 1 or 2 loses but we have the tie breaker

[scrock]

[quote name='MLGWL20' timestamp='1321318164' post='871560']
Id rather beat the good teams and lose to bad teams than the other way around. The playoffs arent full of 4-12 teams.

The steelers wont win there last 7 games of the season theyll lose 1 or 2 (SF,Browns,Cinci) same with us 1 or 2 loses but we have the tie breaker
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next week is a must win, imo

otherwise u can already just assume if we make the playoffs it will be as a wild card

[gabefergy]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1321315320' post='871463']

its not good,[b] the Steelers are right there and will probably win out...so we have to win out to win the AFC North[/b]..lets just assume that...we have games against the Chargers who aren't playing well...OH NO!! The Browns and Colts...and twice agains the Bengals...its going to be tough to win out, we might make it as a wild card



no way, i'd take beating the Steelers/Jets every time
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I think we are capable of winning out, but obviously we cant have these poor performances any more. Honestly, I dont think the Steelers will win @SF, but that is the only game I think they lose from here on out. The division may come down to how we play in week 17 @ cinci, but we obviously have a lot of games before that we have to win as well.

[ravensdfan]

Well...I'll refrain from commenting on some of the negativity around here.

I'd like to say that I've seen nothing from the Steelers nor the Patriots that makes them any better than us right now. The Steelers had trouble with the winless Colts, lost to the Texans, nearly let the Jags stage a last minute comeback and barely handled a Bengals team that lost their best player on defense and one of their best players on offense.

The Patriots have been pretty Jekyll and Hyde this season as well.

Hmm...I guess that's why we all have 3 losses.

I am just as confused, angry and disgusted by the Seattle loss as any other Ravens' fan however, I am not going to project it onto the future. While we could have put ourselves in a better position with a win, we have not lost anything with the loss. As of right now, we are still in the drivers' seat of our season. We win out and there is not a team in the AFC that can take that #1 seed from us. We are the only team in the AFC that can make that claim. The Patriots and Steelers need help even if they win out in order to take it from us.

Right now the #1 Seed is OURS to have. Period. Only we can give it up. And this is what Harbaugh needs to be ingraining into his team from this day forward. We have the prize, and everyone wants it. It is our job to protect it.

[Alexir]

I'll quote Ed Dickson. The Packers weren't an elite team last year in the regular season, they went 10-6 but they won the games that mattered.

[slowj0e]

At this point why do you guys believe that the ravens will win the AFC North. The ravens will finish no better than 11-5 and lose to Pittsburgh in the divisional again. Get ready for another long-awaited flop by yours truly, the Baltimore Ravens.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='slowj0e' timestamp='1321319849' post='871650']
At this point why do you guys believe that the ravens will win the AFC North. The ravens will finish no better than 11-5 and lose to Pittsburgh in the divisional again. Get ready for another long-awaited flop by yours truly, the Baltimore Ravens.
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Guaranteed!!!

Wait what?

[wayne]

Calm down fellas, we okay. Reminds me a lot of the Giants season when they won the SB vs the Pats. They looked way worse ( we don't really look that bad, have beat all the good teams )than we did in the beginning of the season but towards the end of the season they got it together even losing their last game of the season to the Pats. This game was deceiving of what our O was capable of playing against another 4-3 team as I feel we have figued out the 4-3 D. Two kickoff return fumbles with the pick off the tipped pass by one of their LB's and that sort of got us out of our game plan and rightfully so. Joe looked pretty aight ( some inaccurate passes that could have been long gains, he's having some accuracy issues ) and Casem dialed up some nice plays for what was given up ( Seattle went to a prevent type of D occasionally sending a blitz ). Also, the D can't play like they want b/c the opposing offenses is not really pressured to open up ( run...run...PA with max protect....run....run ) so of course guys like Ed and Suggs will be less effective ( Ngata should be coming through but we might nI deed to consider resting him so he can nurse his injury b/c I don't see him blowing up runs like we use to seeing him do.

We good fellas and watch how we blow the doors off the Bengals but this season will be one for the memories of us losing to lesser skilled teams. Also, someone said our run game suck and that's not true b/c we have only had a handful of runs each game for the last 3-4 games due to us falling behind early. We need to get back to commanding the lead early .

[jimmypowder]

[quote name='chesapeakeaviator' timestamp='1321311289' post='871301']

I agree with a lot of that but fortunately, I think Indy will be the only true gimme--for the simple reason that I think they've given up. I've never seen an NFL team that has put forth less effort or desire than them. If this was the XFL, they would have their #1 draft pick stripped from them.

And as bitter as it may sound, I am relishing every minute of it. Serves them ******* right.[/quote]


We will have big problems with the Colts defense . Mark my words .

[1/28/01]

[quote name='slowj0e' timestamp='1321319849' post='871650']
At this point why do you guys believe that the ravens will win the AFC North. The ravens will finish no better than 11-5 and lose to Pittsburgh in the divisional again. Get ready for another long-awaited flop by yours truly, the Baltimore Ravens.
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Okay, go back to the Pitt boards now!

[wayne]

[quote name='jimmypowder' timestamp='1321320450' post='871668']
We will have big problems with the Colts defense . Mark my words .
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That was before but I think Cam and Joe has finally figured out the 4-3 to the point where we can move down the field successfully.

[Jamal]

Also, pretty hard to have a shot at a SB with the worst OC in the NFL.

And I said this last year.

[slowj0e]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1321320781' post='871682']
Okay, go back to the Pitt boards now!
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Im just telling it how I see it man. The Ravens are bound to lose another 2-3 games the way they have been playing and I believe that Pitt runs the table. P.S. I'm a Ravens fan.

[theFRANCHISE]

Many Super Bowl teams from this past decade have looked flawed at several different points throughout their respective seasons.

The '06 Colts had the worst run defense in the league, getting gashed for massive yardage on a weekly basis. The '05 Steelers arguably had more luck than talent compared to the teams they played. The '10 Packers had a couple of embarassing performances en route to their 10-6 record. The '09 Saints ran hot-and-cold in different phases of the game. The list goes on.

The point is, we can talk all we want about how flawed the Ravens are, but the only thing that matters are results. They can play sloppily the rest of the year and still find ways to win games. Heck, if they lose to every losing team in the regular season but beat winning teams, then that shouldn't be a problem in the playoffs and the Super Bowl.

[wayne]

[quote name='slowj0e' timestamp='1321321140' post='871691']
Im just telling it how I see it man. The Ravens are bound to lose another 2-3 games the way they have been playing and I believe that Pitt runs the table. P.S. I'm a Ravens fan.
[/quote]

I doubt, I seriously, seriously doubt it. Getting rid of that extra cushion is probably a great thing for us right now, need to play with our backs against the wall every game.

[wayne]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1321321238' post='871693']
Many Super Bowl teams from this past decade have looked flawed at several different points throughout their respective seasons.

The '06 Colts had the worst run defense in the league, getting gashed for massive yardage on a weekly basis. The '05 Steelers arguably had more luck than talent compared to the teams they played. The '10 Packers had a couple of embarassing performances en route to their 10-6 record. The '09 Saints ran hot-and-cold in different phases of the game. The list goes on.

The point is, we can talk all we want about how flawed the Ravens are, but the only thing that matters are results. They can play sloppily the rest of the year and still find ways to win games. Heck, if they lose to every losing team in the regular season but beat winning teams, then that shouldn't be a problem in the playoffs and the Super Bowl.
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So true, you don't get style points for looking great through the regular season and winning the SB, it's all the same if you win it.

[jimmypowder]

We have a Super Bowl caliber defense just not a offensive one .


I really don't see us getting to the Super Bowl with our offense . I would be shocked .
Green Bay would still beat us by 20 points .

[TreTheRaven]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1321314974' post='871446']
Well we aren't 3-6. We are 6-3. That's a big difference. We have also beaten all the top teams in the AFC, so clearly we are capable of at least getting to the SB. Inconsistency is a problem, but we are winning the big games. I would rather be 6-3 with wins over the Jets, Steelers, and Texans than be 6-3 without beating any quality opposition. I find it funny how quickly everyone gives up on the team while we still are in the driver's seat to not only win the division but potentially take the #1 seed.
[/quote]

The reason people are losing hope is because when a team has wins over the good teams -- you wouldn't expect to see that 2 / 3's of their losses come to teams who have won only 1 or 2 games. Let's not also forget the fact they trailed by 21 to a team who at the time only had 1 win. How did they get back in the game? That's easy. The fans. This team needs to be constantly booed till they get their crap together.

I can see 1 loss to a bad team, but 3? Come on now.

[PuRock]

I spot read some of this. Here is my two cents.

There is only one true Super Bowl contender right now. Thats the Packers. Every other team in the league has its flaws and at times are pretenders. The Ravens (when firing on all cylinders) is the most complete team. The problem is their consistency.

If you don't believe a team with flaws can win a Super Bowl. I can point to many teams who have.

[good_n_purple]

POSERS! But, they play a Superbowl contending team on TV occasionally...very occasionally. As long as Harbaugh is willing to accept the sack-o-crap that is our offense we are posers.

[gabefergy]

[quote name='TreTheRaven' timestamp='1321322269' post='871729']

The reason people are losing hope is because when a team has wins over the good teams -- you wouldn't expect to see that 2 / 3's of their losses come to teams who have won only 1 or 2 games. [b]Let's not also forget the fact they trailed by 21 to a team who at the time only had 1 win. How did they get back in the game? That's easy. The fans. This team needs to be constantly booed till they get their crap together.[/b]

I can see 1 loss to a bad team, but 3? Come on now.
[/quote]
Really? It took getting booed to win a game? I dont think that had anything to do with what actually caused us to get down in that game or what allowed us to take the game over and win. We were the better team even after spotting the Cards a 21 point lead.

Like I said before, beating quality teams is more of an indicator of how good the Ravens are. Sure, there is the potential of more letdowns, but the players know just like we do how much each and every game means from here on out.

[slowj0e]

Truth is our offensive scheme sucks no creativity. I remember in 2008, our offensive was very creative and the runnings plays actually worked. what the heck happened?

[TreTheRaven]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1321324650' post='871790']
Really? It took getting booed to win a game? I dont think that had anything to do with what actually caused us to get down in that game or what allowed us to take the game over and win. We were the better team even after spotting the Cards a 21 point lead.

Like I said before, beating quality teams is more of an indicator of how good the Ravens are. Sure, there is the potential of more letdowns, but the players know just like we do how much each and every game means from here on out.
[/quote]

Even Suggs, Flacco and Cam said it. They got back into the game because of the fans. Had the fans not booed the crap out of them, that probably would have been a 42 point loss ([i]Maybe a bit much[/i].) by the way that game was headed. Something needs to spark this team against those below .500 teams and it seems the only way to do so is by booing them.

[Jerseyraven52205527]

Not with Harbaugh.
Get ready for us giving the Colts there first victory

[ball hawkin 20]

[quote name='Jerseyraven52205527' timestamp='1321324990' post='871800']
Not with Harbaugh.
Get ready for us giving the Colts there first victory
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get outta here

[Blex64]

This is pathetic. I'm embarrassed to be grouped together with you people.

Seriously, you're acting like Pittsburgh fans or something. I've never seen people jump a ship so fast. People are even questioning Ed Reed. ED REED. Name a team that wouldn't start Ed Reed over whoever the hell they're starting at FS currently. What's that? You can't do it?

This loss was not NEARLY as bad as Jacksonville. Our Defense as a whole played OK. Not what we expected of them in terms of turnovers and sacks, and they let us down at the end of the game, but they held 3 turnovers that started IN FIELD GOAL RANGE to Field Goals.

Our Offense moved the ball OK, again not really as well as we'd have expected, but they weren't terrible. If the D had stopped them at the end we likely would have won.

We lost this game because David Reed fumbled twice. It started and ended there.

All that being said:

1. This is a fixable problem.
2. OUR SEASON IS NOT OVER.

We are tied at the top of the AFC with the Texans, Steelers, Bengals, and Patriots. ALL OF US are 3-loss teams, and after next week everyone will have had their bye and have even footing.

Matt Schaub is out for the season, and we have the tie-breaker on the Texans.
We have the tie-breaker on the Steelers.
We don't play the Patriots.

We have the Bengals coming up next week. Let's beat them. Let's sweep the division. We're still entirely in control of our own fates. Even if the Patriots, Steelers, Texans, and us ALL win out, we'll get the first or second seed (not sure) which). That's a first round bye and home field advantage.

Stop acting like were the Eagles. This is so sad. Yea, Cam is awful. Yeah, our pass rush didn't show up. Yeah, our special teams were ATROCIOUS. Everything but Cam is fixable right this second, and we've proven we can beat the best teams in the league in spite of him. The Ravens are still in position for a Super Bowl run. Have faith in your team.

We get the Colts at home. We're not going to lose to them, because they won't score on Offense and I think its fairly safe to assume we won't give them 2 fumbles at our own 30. Look ahead instead of crying about things that can't be changed. These are fixable issues, lets be productive here.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1321320043' post='871654']
Calm down fellas, we okay. Reminds me a lot of the Giants season when they won the SB vs the Pats. They looked way worse ( we don't really look that bad, have beat all the good teams )than we did in the beginning of the season but towards the end of the season they got it together even losing their last game of the season to the Pats.
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Not even close. They were 10-6, losing to the 13-3 Cowboys twice, 16-0 Patriots, 9-7 Redskins, 8-8 Vikings, and 13-3 Packers. Our losses are to losing teams, they at least lost to winning ones and redeemed themselves by beating the Packers, Cowboys, and Pats in the playoffs.