Ravens Drop The Ball Again...

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1321311752' post='871322']
This is because your quarterback is clutch. Throwing 52 times and not even breaking three hundred yards.........wow
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Dude, I enjoy sprited debate with you every now and again, but here you are jumping at every opportunity to pin this on Flacco again. He's about the 6th man/unit down the line in the order for who is to blame for Sunday. Damn!!

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1321319730' post='871643']
Dude, I enjoy sprited debate with you every now and again, [b]but here you are jumping at every [u]opportunity[/u] to pin this on Flacco again[/b]. He's about the 6th man/unit down the line in the order for who is to blame for Sunday. Damn!!
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when i feel he deserves it...i'll speak out on Flacco's gameplay at the QB spot about him being the cat that messed up or need to get his act together. but....in this game....Flacco was not the problem. sure, he missed a few shots at open targets but most QBs do. but, to blame Flacco for this loss is ridiculous and shows that cats in here aren't really watching and just quickly want to solely place the blame on him.

~Mili

[bmorefan444]

I thought this thread was about Ravens players actually dropping the ball, because David Reed did it twice and apparently our recievers eat too much popcorn before the game...

[jaege]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1321310459' post='871283']

no, a lot of Ravens dropped balls on offense...

it was meant to cover how we lost the game, Ravens dropped the ball..that includes David Reed, but also Billy Cundiff, Torrey Smith, Boldin, etc
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I am not sure you can blame Cundiff. He is just not good at anything over 49 yards. This is not news to the Harbs. It would have been better to punt the ball away than gamble on Cundiff making that kick, and risking the Seahawks getting the ball at the 35+.

[jaege]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1321320198' post='871659']

when i feel he deserves it...i'll speak out on Flacco's gameplay at the QB spot about him being the cat that messed up or need to get his act together. but....in this game....Flacco was not the problem. sure, he missed a few shots at open targets but most QBs do. but, to blame Flacco for this loss is ridiculous and shows that cats in here aren't really watching and just quickly want to solely place the blame on him.

~Mili
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Cant blame Flacco either really. There are others that are far more guilty.

[Sizzlebshu]

The thing that sickens me about the ravens in these 3 losses is our lack of commitment to the run. Even the St.Louis Rams are more committed to the run than we are. Seriously we dont need to give rice 30 carries but 18 carries a game at the very least should be what he gets. We are not the Steelers. Our passing game is not as advanced as theirs. Thats not to say we arent a capable passing team, but the Steeler's have exceptional weapons in those situations that we havent developed yet. Flacco is a good qb but needs the o line to protect him unlike Ben who can move and throw on the move every play if necessary. Their wide out core is faster and has more complete receivers than ours. I have no doubt that the return of Lee Evans will make a huge difference to our team but several things have to happen in order for us to win cause at this stage I dont think this team deserves to.

1. The running game needs to be fixed - We are a ground and pound team. We are not New England and our qb isnt Tom Brady for sure. The two problems we have with the run game right now are A. the blocking schemes arent working or being executed properly rather. and B. Ray Rice isn't enough opportunities to do anything with the ball. In regards to A. The Houston Texans- we should really take notes from them. Their running game is so good that their back up and starter are getting 100 yds each in a single game. I think we easily are as talented as them at the positions necessary to make this happen, however, our execution compared to theres is what is lacking. I think that Harbs needs to buckle down and basically just practice the execution of run blocks and only run blocks the whole time until this fixed. Yes I realize passing the ball is necessary and practicing for that will be necessary, but as many have said the run sets up the pass. It wont matter how well we pass block if the other team doesnt have any reason to stop the run.

In regards to B. This is just pathetic. All season I hear about our commitment to the run. I hear how we will have one of the best rushing attacks in the league. We made all these moves to improve the run. Well what good is it if we dont run? I know that we were down early in this game. And I know that there are times we have to pass. However, the reason the ravens lost those 3 games is because we are taking one of our key playmakers out of the game. Yes Ray Rice can catch passes but last time I checked he was an rb not a wr. Does it cost us to continue to run the ball in a situation where time is of the essence and we need to come back? Of course it does. However, as we've seen the cost of abandoning the run game leads to losses

That being said the ravens passing attack has been great the last 3 games (including seattle). Yes they dropped balls and made mistakes but that can be blamed on a rookie WR core and veteran not playing to his strengths out of necessity. We dont have evans back and smith isnt enough of a threat to allow us to play boldin in the slot the whole time where he belongs. Yes the turnovers were bad, very bad and yes cundiff doesnt have the range we need of him (however I blame the ravens offense not cundiff. With the talent we have cundiff shouldnt have to kick 50 yd field goals).

If we wont to beat cincy we will have to do 3 things.

1. Stop turning the ball over - no root cause for this. It happens. It will be corrected
2. Establish the run early- I dont care if we go 3 and out for the first 3 drives of the game. If we ran the ball all 3 plays or 2 plays per drive. I will be happy. Ray Rice needs a chance to make plays and opposing defenses need a reason to respect the run and defend against it. Look at the 49'ers. They ran gore 20-30 a game prior to the giants game. And what happened? The giants were so scared of the run never stopped stacking the box and we're beat by the pass. This is what will happen if we establish Rice early.

3. Execution Execution Execution - I dont care if we dont make the play because the defense made a great read or a playmaker made a play so long as the play was executed effectively. Sometimes it just wont work but execution is something we can control and should have down by now.

[BloodRaven]

Why is it when we win it's because of Flacco, but when we lose it's never his fault? doesn't he lead the offense at the most important position on the field? People were saying "oh he doesn't have protection, oh his WR's weren't open" well, the protection was there and the receivers were wide open yet Flacco's accuracy didn't turn up again. So [i]now[/i] the excuses are along the lines of "oh it's ok it happens to all QBs"

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I guess all QB's are the same then, you know, since every QB will have a bad game from time to time. I'm sorry but that is grade A bull and I'm not buying it, Flacco has to play more consistently.

[Sizzlebshu]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1321313058' post='871378']

he beat the Steelers defense last year too in Pittsburgh, no Ben didnt play but the Steelers defense did

he brough us back against Atlanta at the end of the game but the defense let him down and Roddy White got the TD

Joe has won us games before, like in the playoffs against the Chiefs, he killed them all game long and we had no run game so we needed him and he came through again

just admit you are a hater, you are not objective at all, if u were you would be able to watch a game and see whats real
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support this post. Also qbs play def not other qbs

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1321313329' post='871394']

Being "clutch" isn't playing mistake-free, it's getting it done when you need to get it done. Flacco has done that plenty of times in his career, he's come up short sometimes but so does every single QB ever.
[/quote] [quote name='berad' timestamp='1321313329' post='871394']

Being "clutch" isn't playing mistake-free, it's getting it done when you need to get it done. Flacco has done that plenty of times in his career, he's come up short sometimes but so does every single QB ever.
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1321313329' post='871394']

Being "clutch" isn't playing mistake-free, it's getting it done when you need to get it done. Flacco has done that plenty of times in his career, he's come up short sometimes but so does every single QB ever.
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Clutch to me is Michael Jordan taking that last shot, and before it leaves his hands you know its good. Flacco has a long way to go before i can feel like that.---- Being Clutch would suggest when he needs to make a play the play is made. Again not the case. Doing it a few times doesn't make you CLUTCH, it makes you lucky.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1321313329' post='871394']

Being "clutch" isn't playing mistake-free, it's getting it done when you need to get it done. Flacco has done that plenty of times in his career, he's come up short sometimes but so does every single QB ever.
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So when the ball is in Flacco's hands we are down a score i shouldn't worry? Come on now, you don't even believe that. We have all seen that look in his eyes that says he is about to give the game away. That is anything but clutch.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1321319730' post='871643']
Dude, I enjoy sprited debate with you every now and again, but here you are jumping at every opportunity to pin this on Flacco again. He's about the 6th man/unit down the line in the order for who is to blame for Sunday. Damn!!
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Dude i'm just tired of fans making him to be something he is not. That is why he is under so much pressure, because they build the guy up before he is there. Calling the guy Clutch--------Cmon. Overthrows, Underthrows crazy.. This is who Flacco is to me. A very talented young quarterback that needs work. He has the tools to be one of the best in the league, but he is clearly not there yet. Strong arm, quick wit, tough guy, that needs to take better care of the football. Clutch-------no sir ------not yet

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1321440832' post='873186']

Dude i'm just tired of fans making him to be something he is not. That is why he is under so much pressure, because they build the guy up before he is there. Calling the guy Clutch--------Cmon. Overthrows, Underthrows crazy.. This is who Flacco is to me. A very talented young quarterback that needs work. He has the tools to be one of the best in the league, but he is clearly not there yet. Strong arm, quick wit, tough guy, that needs to take better care of the football. Clutch-------no sir ------not yet
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I am not disagreeing with any of that, its just funny the timing of the posts from the few harsher critics of Flaccos around here. You have almost posted nothing but Flacco related posts since the close of Sundays game. I just find it funny, cause he should be (like I said already) the 5th or 6th area of cause for criticism after our teams performance. HAD the defense actually forced a punt in the last freakin 6 minutes, MY OPINION is that Flacco drives us down the field again and despite missed FGs, a plethora of turnovers and shoddy play calling, we win with a last minute drive!

[Gtown Purple]

Flacco did make a few mistakes in this game but he isn't the reason we lost. Turnovers and poor defense is why we lost. We were -3 in turnovers, didn't create any of our own, missed countless tackles, and couldn't get off the field when we really needed it. Anyone trying to twist this into a Flacco hateathon just doesn't understand football. I actually admire Flacco for having the fortitude to come back after the INT to lead a touchdown drive without the benefit of a run game. I also agree with 1/28/01 that if Flacco had the chance to drive us to a win the chances were high that he would have.

[PurpleReign92]

We are losing every other game it looks like almost... If we don't change this around, we will be an 8-8 team similar to our faith while beating the better teams and losing to the less fortunate...

[1/28/01]

[quote name='PurpleReign92' timestamp='1321453821' post='873233']
We are losing every other game it looks like almost... If we don't change this around, we will be an 8-8 team similar to our faith while beating the better teams and losing to the less fortunate...
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Or every third game

[redrum52]

People can say we dropped the ball and it was still close... The problem was it never should have ever been a close game. Next topic

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1321449128' post='873208']
I am not disagreeing with any of that, its just funny the timing of the posts from the few harsher critics of Flaccos around here. You have almost posted nothing but Flacco related posts since the close of Sundays game. I just find it funny, cause he should be (like I said already) the 5th or 6th area of cause for criticism after our teams performance. HAD the defense actually forced a punt in the last freakin 6 minutes, MY OPINION is that Flacco drives us down the field again and despite missed FGs, a plethora of turnovers and shoddy play calling, we win with a last minute drive!
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I disagree, he was off that day with alot of throws. In all honesty just to be fair it was a team loss. We looked bad in every aspect of the game (especially special teams). Harbs is the captain of this ship. He is the only one im concerned about moving forward. We have to play better football in all phases. The Flacco talk is because these guys on the forum need a reality check when it comes to his average game play.......sorry, he is average at half way point in the season.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1321488508' post='873914']
I disagree, he was off that day with alot of throws.  In all honesty just to be fair it was a team loss.  We looked bad in every aspect of the game (especially special teams).  Harbs is the captain of this ship.  He is the only one im concerned about moving forward.  We have to play better football in all phases.  The Flacco talk is because these guys on the forum need a reality check when it comes to his average game play.......sorry, he is average at half way point in the season.
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I can agree that he is having an average year...hell, its below average. Its just the timing of peoples posts and the content in which they post that I find funny and what sparks my comments. There are certain ways to say things and then there is just spouting off gibberish! Not saying you do or don't do either, just a general statement.

[CapoRocky]

Reed dropped the ball. Now, he'll ride the metal for a few games. He won't be missed as a receiver. I don't think he will be back next year.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1321495318' post='874035']
I can agree that he is having an average year...hell, its below average. Its just the timing of peoples posts and the content in which they post that I find funny and what sparks my comments. There are certain ways to say things and then there is just spouting off gibberish! Not saying you do or don't do either, just a general statement.
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