Stats To Look At.

[Ray Ray Ravens]

Looking around this thread a lot of people seem to think the Saints, Packers, Patriots and Lions never run the ball and still have success. Which is really untrue and wanted to clear this up for people.

Passing Rushing Total Pass/Rush%
Saints 422 349 771 55/45
Packers 265 208 473 56/44
Patriots 321 199 520 62/38
Lions 365 206 571 64/36

[Ray Ray Ravens]

We are right on target with the Pats right now with the percentages but I believe we should be up around the 55/45 with the Saints considering Rice is also a receiving threat.

[scrock]

speaking of the Lions they were horrible today too

Stafford threw pick sixes on back to back drives

[Ravenslifer]

How about this stat? Joe has thrown 50 more times than Aaron Rodgers, who 1) is a better quarterback, 2) has a better receiving corps, in my opinion the best in the league, and 3) has a worse defense and is constantly in shootouts with every team he plays.

[BenDufusberger]

[quote name='Ray Ray Ravens' timestamp='1321241220' post='869560']
We are right on target with the Pats right now with the percentages but I believe we should be up around the 55/45 with the Saints considering Rice is also a receiving threat.
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Overall , yes , but today we were about 80/20 pass/run. That's the issue , we were WAY unbalanced today.

[Ray Ray Ravens]

Yea Joe Avgs 40 passes a game and Rice 15 carries. Weve become one dimensional and I hope it gets fixed but we have said this all season.

[BenDufusberger]

Look at the Pitt stats today. They beat Cincy , which also runs a 4-3 and is probably better than Seattle , and they ran 33 passes to 30 runs , even though they only gained 3.5 yds/carry. So they were close to 50% run at 3.5 yds/carry while we ran about 20% run when our star back had 5.4 yds/carry on the few times he touched the ball.

That , my friends , is freaking unbelievable. Moreso because we've done the same thing this year with the same outcome.

The idea is to correct the mistakes , not refine them into silver and gold mistakes.

[Alexir]

[quote name='BenDufusberger' timestamp='1321242528' post='869622']
Look at the Pitt stats today. They beat Cincy , which also runs a 4-3 and[b] is probably better than Seattle ,[/b] and they ran 33 passes to 30 runs , even though they only gained 3.5 yds/carry. So they were close to 50% run at 3.5 yds/carry while we ran about 20% run when our star back had 5.4 yds/carry on the few times he touched the ball.

That , my friends , is freaking unbelievable. Moreso because we've done the same thing this year with the same outcome.

The idea is to correct the mistakes , not refine them into silver and gold mistakes.
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They are one of the best defenses in the league right now.

[BenDufusberger]

[quote name='Ray Ray Ravens' timestamp='1321241950' post='869599']
Yea Joe Avgs 40 passes a game and Rice 15 carries. Weve become one dimensional and I hope it gets fixed but we have said this all season.
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40/15 sounds like good balance next to 53/5

[Ray Ray Ravens]

[quote name='BenDufusberger' timestamp='1321243089' post='869635']

40/15 sounds like good balance next to 53/5
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Sounds better but not optimal.

[BenDufusberger]

[quote name='Ray Ray Ravens' timestamp='1321243243' post='869646']
Sounds better but not optimal.
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Agreed. That post was snark.

[Trilogique]

This offense makes me giggle. First it was "we run too much" and "we need to pass more because the NFL is a passing league." Now it's "we pass too much."

Can a particular coach get his head out of his butt and find a balance?

[DMH_in_WA]

What really frustrates me are the post game pressers. Flacco today said, "I thought we moved the ball pretty well on offense when we had the ball."

Either Joe is delusional or not paying attention or just being dishonest. They were horrid today and he was particularly off. Almost everything he threw today was off. But more than that, can you imagine what the score would have been if the Seahawks hadn't committed 13 penalties for 100 yards? A large percentage of those were in crucial downs on both sides of the ball.

Yea, they moved the ball ... but well? They need some semblance of balance. So tired of hearing "They look lost on offense and need to find their identity." on all the sports shows. It's 10 weeks in, you might wanna make up your mind.

[RavensAllTheWay]

I think when we play these bad teams, we MUST come out of the gate throwing down their throats to build a lead and take the energy out of them early. In all three losses, the O has started off poorly, building up crowd noise, confidence on the other bench and just snowballing for us from there.

You want stats? Well in the three losses so far, we've had a combined one lead (7-3 at TEN in the second quarter) which vanished the very next drive. So the offense was on the field literally no time at all with a lead during those three games.

But when we play games like Cincy next week, which is much more of a defensive struggle, we better come out running at least somewhat often. Not every down. But every series if the passing game isn't quite in a rhythm yet. These guys struggled mightily on first and second down yesterday and somehow managed third down conversions. In that situation, you just look at the last set of downs and say "that's over, it's a fresh set of downs, time to get back to the basics." But Cam did not, and I swear I'm not fairweather, but I literally asked myself "why are we still throwing?" when I saw Joe drop back on the pick.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1321255362' post='869881']
What really frustrates me are the post game pressers. Flacco today said, "I thought we moved the ball pretty well on offense when we had the ball."

Either Joe is delusional or not paying attention or just being dishonest. They were horrid today and he was particularly off. Almost everything he threw today was off. But more than that, can you imagine what the score would have been if the Seahawks hadn't committed 13 penalties for 100 yards? A large percentage of those were in crucial downs on both sides of the ball.

Yea, they moved the ball ... but well? They need some semblance of balance. So tired of hearing "They look lost on offense and need to find their identity." on all the sports shows. It's 10 weeks in, you might wanna make up your mind.
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Joe was right, when the offense had the ball we generally were moving it and getting points. At the very least the defense had an opportunity to rest. The offense got us 2 TDs and a field goal with two more missed field goal attempts (which would have been enough to win the game) while having the ball over 10 minutes less in the game. We barely touched it in the first half thanks to Reed. Yes, Joe and Torrey still are not on the same page, but I think the 23 MPH wind could also have played a factor in some of those throws. Flacco was good enough to win today, but was let down by horrendous drops, one by his most trusted receiver, and a defense that couldn't stop 29th ranked offense in the league over the course of 5 minutes when that team started deep in their own territory.

If you're putting this loss on Flacco, who would have won us the game if the defense played the way it should, you're delusional. When you take into account he was forced to throw the ball over 50 times this game, probably by Cam, you're insane. Flacco played like a Top 10 QB today, and that tipped pass happens to everyone.

[Radinho84]

considering the fact how we run the ball this year i am quite happy that we don´t do it that often. if we run too much everybody is crying. if we throw too much everybody does the same. yesterday we were two scores behind very soon. we tried to air it out to score quick. and that was what we had to do in my opinion considering the fact how well joe played the last few weeks. we could trust him and he did everything to bring us back into that one.

we had some crucial dropped passes and also some ugly overthrown passes. but i guess that is what you get when you throw that often. it is nothing different to other teams with a pass happy offense. incompletion happens like run games for no gain happen too.

we have to find a way to get more production out of our backs and we need our receivers to catch all the catchable balls. boldin had some ugly drops last night. torrey wash´t better. but we all know what those two are able to do so there is no need to worry about.

dickson was unbelievable that game. very happy to see him producing like that. the fact that really scares me is our horrible production in the redone. we move down the field very good this year but as soon as we are in the redone we cannot get to the end zone. field goals don´t score enough points to win high scoring games!!! that is the biggest issue in my opinion....

[Radinho84]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1321255362' post='869881']
What really frustrates me are the post game pressers. Flacco today said, "I thought we moved the ball pretty well on offense when we had the ball."

Either Joe is delusional or not paying attention or just being dishonest. They were horrid today and he was particularly off. Almost everything he threw today was off. But more than that, can you imagine what the score would have been if the Seahawks hadn't committed 13 penalties for 100 yards? A large percentage of those were in crucial downs on both sides of the ball.

Yea, they moved the ball ... but well? They need some semblance of balance. So tired of hearing "They look lost on offense and need to find their identity." on all the sports shows. It's 10 weeks in, you might wanna make up your mind.
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come on my friend!!! you cannot blame the offense for anything that game!!! did they fumble the ball two times deep in own territory? no!!
even the colts would have find a way to score against us out of those situations.

i cannot stand those flacco haters. don´t act like all those espy homers. he is a very good quarterback. he has some ugly throws every now and then but so does any other quarterback in the nfl!!!!

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1321257367' post='869894']

Joe was right, when the offense had the ball we generally were moving it and getting points. At the very least the defense had an opportunity to rest. The offense got us 2 TDs and a field goal with two more missed field goal attempts (which would have been enough to win the game) while having the ball over 10 minutes less in the game. We barely touched it in the first half thanks to Reed. Yes, Joe and Torrey still are not on the same page, but I think the 23 MPH wind could also have played a factor in some of those throws. Flacco was good enough to win today, but was let down by horrendous drops, one by his most trusted receiver, and a defense that couldn't stop 29th ranked offense in the league over the course of 5 minutes when that team started deep in their own territory.

If you're putting this loss on Flacco, who would have won us the game if the defense played the way it should, you're delusional. When you take into account he was forced to throw the ball over 50 times this game, probably by Cam, you're insane. [b]Flacco played like a Top 10 QB today[/b], and that tipped pass happens to everyone.
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Hey man, I'm a big Flacco backer, but I definitely wouldn't say that. It did not occur to me that the wind may have had an effect, but accuracy and timing with the weapons are definitely issues for Joe right now that will be crucial down the stretch. What I learned about Joe today (that I did not like) is that he really doesn't overcome shaky starts very often. He's usually either on from the get go (like the two Pit games) or off from the get go (like this game). The Atl game last year and Arz game this year could be considered exceptions, but it's usually not the case. I guess the bright spot is that he doesn't usually cool down either (although the Jets game this year was an exception to that).

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='Radinho84' timestamp='1321257709' post='869899']
come on my friend!!! you cannot blame the offense for anything that game!!! did they fumble the ball two times deep in own territory? no!!
even the colts would have find a way to score against us out of those situations.

i cannot stand those flacco haters. don´t act like all those espy homers. he is a very good quarterback. he has some ugly throws every now and then but so does any other quarterback in the nfl!!!!
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I'm sorry, but I was sitting at the game watching the entire field. Flacco misfired all day long. His throws, even when caught, were just off for the most part. He was consistently throwing just behind receivers, just high and missing wide open receivers. I don't know what they showed on TV, but his biggest misfires left a LOT of yardage sitting on the field. There were several times that the plays on the misfires actually quieted the Seahawks fans because of what almost happened. I can't tell you how many times on misses the guys behind me screamed 'My god ... he's got too much time .. too much time!!' They could see it. The O-line was giving him all day back there, but he didn't really make them pay.

He was also throwing a lot into double and triple coverage while he had receivers wide open underneath. On those, I can't tell if he just didn't see them (everybody in the stands could) or if he just made up his mind he was going deep and that was just that. When you have both Ravens and Seahawks fans sitting there watching the game and expressing how horrible Flacco and the offense looked today it's hard to say that they're all wrong. The Special Teams were by-far the most atrocious thing on the field; although to attempt that first 50 yarder into the open end of CenturyLink was just ridiculous.

I have never been a Flacco hater or detractor. Here and other places, I have defended him and I still think he is a very good QB and we can win it all with him. My opinion for today, he made enough plays to win *if* they had balanced the play calling. Cameron tried to put the whole thing on Flacco's arm alone and it wasn't good enough with most of the drives fizzling out (a lot of those seemed to be on short yard 2nd downs (ie 2nd and 3) where he just seemed to refuse to run the ball).