Ravens Draft 2009

[Reed The D]

crabtree will be a HOFer in this league
he can tip toe while breaking tackles?!?!!?!??!
what else can you ask?
will be the next jerry rice/ randy moss
if we have to trade two firsts and a second i say lets do it

[rayvenfan_52]

Crabtree was looking pretty good during the game today. Too bad hes still a sophomore.

[AlphaThug9]

Crabtree is a "redshirt" sophmore so he can leave after this season

[FerrariFan87]

[color="#FF0000"][b][size=7]Michael Crabtree[/size][/b][/color]

[Guest 410finest]

We need some receivers, speedy receviers. I would not mind seeing Chad Johnson come to us. With Flacco strong arm all we need is a playmaker at WR postion and we be good.

[T-Sizzle55]

[quote name='Gwaihir' post='82473' date='Oct 31 2008, 04:47 PM']Sorry, But C-Mac has to go!! He should have had surgery last year to fix his knee problems, and the team expected him to, BUT HE DIDN'T!! He felt it was more important to party it up all off-season.

He won't play the defenses Rex calls, (Irsay's Game), and is not a team player, but a Me-First player... SeeYa!!! If he's back next year I WILL BE SHOCKED!!

We can save 8 Million dollars towards the cap if we cut him and get someone else here who wants to be a Raven and play for Harbaugh, C-Mac doesn't care about such things, only his money!!

I used to love the guy and thought he was the key to our Defense, key word "WAS". I've lost all respect for him this year and am quite sure we are better off without him moving forward in the Harbaugh era!!

No one else will give him 8 Million for next year, and we shouldn't either!!![/quote]

Can you prove all that cuz I don't like to go by rumors? I thought he was rehabbing and working out most of the off-season. I never read a report where a doctor told him he definitely needed knee surgery, but I remember him injuring his knee in OTA's (IE: Ngata, Gregg, Rolle, McGahee, is there something wrong with the field there?). Do you seriously want to do the same thing we did with Derek Anderson and Jamal Lewis and just give him up to any team in the league?? No compensation, just get outa here? That's bad business and we've been majorly burned by that before. You can cut players like special teams guys and 3rd stringers, you don't just cut your starters and not try to shop them around first to get something for them. If his knee is better and he can finish out the season well (hopefully with a few more picks) we can trade him for a WR or couple draft picks. That way we can relieve cap space and control what team picks him up. He has an $8 million contract and If we merely cut him, I believe we have to pay him most of that money anyway and we will get some kind of substantial cap penalty.

I'm not saying we need to hold on to him indefinitely or that he's worth $8 Million to ride the bench. Even if he was healthy and played lights out football it would still be smart to trade him after this year, free up cap $, and sign some young corner free agent. Alleviating $8 million would be huge going forward and he is getting older, but when he is healthy, he is still a playmaker and we need that right now. I feel it is vital to get him back in good health and in the game where he can still turn out huge plays. He struggled against the Colts, but compared to the guys we have right now, I think we'd all be nervous to see Cory Ivy, Frank Walker, or Anwar Phillips covering Andre Johnson, Plexico, Santana Moss, TO, or DeSean Jackson soon). I also DO NOT want him to become a Brown or Bengal, we need to dump him in the NFC. If we can't get anything, I think we should re-negotiate his contract.

[bossman419]

[quote name='410finest' post='83999' date='Nov 3 2008, 04:54 AM']I would not mind seeing Chad Johnson come to us.[/quote]
are you high?

[Guest 410finest]

Not at the moment , but what me smoking weed have to do with Chad Johnson coming to B more. Let me guess, You voting for mccain too right?

[bossman419]

[quote name='410finest' post='84014' date='Nov 3 2008, 07:59 AM']Not at the moment , but what me smoking weed have to do with Chad Johnson coming to B more. Let me guess, You voting for mccain too right?[/quote]
umm actually i'm a democrat but lets leave that out of the discussion. Chad Johnson brings a huge media circus with him, and if things start to go bad he bails on his team. does that sound like a player harbs would want wearing a ravens uniform?

[PuRock]

[quote name='bossman419' post='84016' date='Nov 3 2008, 08:03 AM']umm actually i'm a democrat but lets leave that out of the discussion. Chad Johnson brings a huge media circus with him, and if things start to go bad he bails on his team. does that sound like a player harbs would want wearing a ravens uniform?[/quote]

I'm with you bossman, let's stay away from cancerous players.

I was watching a NFL commercial, and they were like "if you are looking for drama (they show the patriots or somebody), or if you want suspense (they show another team), or if you are just looking for some comedy (They show Chad Johnson dancing).

Do really want to add comedy to our team? Sometimes these guys pay off, Plexico Burress, but other times they hinder what you are trying to accomplish by disrupting the unity of team.

[Guest 410finest]

Come on now, Its no secret he wants out . People rid off Randy Moss and 1st year with New England he shock allot of people. I think sometimes with the right team and right coach a player can turn around.

[bossman419]

[quote name='410finest' post='84036' date='Nov 3 2008, 09:08 AM']Come on now, Its no secret he wants out . People rid off Randy Moss and 1st year with New England he shock allot of people. I think sometimes with the right team and right coach a player can turn around.[/quote]
Ocho OhNo is a much bigger headache than Moss ever was

[Lets_Go_Joe]

I would rather have the Other Cinci WR, Housh then Chad. Chad is a cancer, they dont change.

I'd rather have Boldin over either though

[march4superbowl]

I wonder if FA WR's look at Baltimore in a differant light now? Bcuz before everyone knew the offense here was always stale and who wants to play for a non-producing offense. So now guys like Boldin can look at teams this off-season and think'' the Ravens look like a potentially high powered offense''. what do u think?

[itscbm5042]

I never thought of Moss in Baltimore that would be kind of crazy but didn't he sign a 3 yr extension with the Pats? I'm against trading a 1st rd pick for a WR and would much rather sign a FA like Boldin or trade non 1st round picks or a player for good receivers on bad teams like Johnson (I'm sure they'd love to get rid of him).

[Lets_Go_Joe]

[quote name='march4superbowl' post='84089' date='Nov 3 2008, 02:05 PM']I wonder if FA WR's look at Baltimore in a differant light now? Bcuz before everyone knew the offense here was always stale and who wants to play for a non-producing offense. So now guys like Boldin can look at teams this off-season and think'' the Ravens look like a potentially high powered offense''. what do u think?[/quote]
I think this is true, and could be a blessing. If we can produce with Mason and Clayton, and an injured OL, why wouldn't a good WR wanna play with us? After all they just wanna put up numbers, be productive, and win games. If Joe continues to improve, it could also make it alot more likely good WR's would look our way because they would have trust in him being able to get them the ball where and when they need it.

[Gwaihir]

[quote name='T-Sizzle55' post='84008' date='Nov 3 2008, 08:13 AM']Can you prove all that cuz I don't like to go by rumors? I thought he was rehabbing and working out most of the off-season. I never read a report where a doctor told him he definitely needed knee surgery, but I remember him injuring his knee in OTA's (IE: Ngata, Gregg, Rolle, McGahee, is there something wrong with the field there?). Do you seriously want to do the same thing we did with Derek Anderson and Jamal Lewis and just give him up to any team in the league?? No compensation, just get outa here? That's bad business and we've been majorly burned by that before. You can cut players like special teams guys and 3rd stringers, you don't just cut your starters and not try to shop them around first to get something for them. If his knee is better and he can finish out the season well (hopefully with a few more picks) we can trade him for a WR or couple draft picks. That way we can relieve cap space and control what team picks him up. He has an $8 million contract and If we merely cut him, I believe we have to pay him most of that money anyway and we will get some kind of substantial cap penalty.

I'm not saying we need to hold on to him indefinitely or that he's worth $8 Million to ride the bench. Even if he was healthy and played lights out football it would still be smart to trade him after this year, free up cap $, and sign some young corner free agent. Alleviating $8 million would be huge going forward and he is getting older, but when he is healthy, he is still a playmaker and we need that right now. I feel it is vital to get him back in good health and in the game where he can still turn out huge plays. He struggled against the Colts, but compared to the guys we have right now, I think we'd all be nervous to see Cory Ivy, Frank Walker, or Anwar Phillips covering Andre Johnson, Plexico, Santana Moss, TO, or DeSean Jackson soon). I also DO NOT want him to become a Brown or Bengal, we need to dump him in the NFC. If we can't get anything, I think we should re-negotiate his contract.[/quote]

Rob Burnett in the Pre-Game show before the Oakland game. He had a Torn PCL last year and the Ravens expected him to have the Surgery to repair it,,, He DIDN'T. Burnett was giving him Crap about it during OTA's and C-Mac blew him off!

Granted, you don't need a PCL to play but you have to go through EXTENSIVE rehab, weight lifting, ec. to build up the sorrounding muscles to Compensate for the loss of this Ligament! Ozzie, I believe played without a PCL for the last 10-12 years of his career, but obviously put in the extra work to compensate for the loss. C-Mac obviously didn't since it was still weak in June!

As far as the 8 Million, that's the savings! His Cap number next year is 10 Million, 8 Million of which is Salary, not guaranteed, and totally recouped if he doesn't make the team. And as far as a trade goes, only an idiot would trade for him, with his baggage & injury problems. He's obviously not worth 8Mil to us without a Massive Turnaround in his Atitude.

They would simply wait for us to cut him or maybe offer a 4th, 5th round pick for him. It's not too dissimilar to the McNair situation. Everyone knew the Titans wouldn't resign him, so they waited for them to cut him. We offered a 4th, to get him in here sooner to learn the offense!

Bottom line is, without a Mssive Attitude Readjustment, C-Mac is gone!

[neepo13]

[quote name='410finest' post='84014' date='Nov 3 2008, 07:59 AM']Not at the moment , but what me smoking weed have to do with Chad Johnson coming to B more. Let me guess, You voting for mccain too right?[/quote]

I think he's saying that because Chad Johnson is in the 30 and over club now. He's also on pace for his production to have dropped drastically from last year. The other thing is we are trying to get younger. We've already got a veteran reciever. We need someone that is young with high upside that can grow up with Flacco. Not a guy thats going to be out of here just as Flacco starts entering his prime.