Suggs "Subtle" Shot At The O.C. Maybe?

[codizzle]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1321236912' post='869194']
And the Niners, Raiders, and Broncos have been winning lately by RUNNING. You do what's right for your personnel. Why sign the best FB in the league if you're not going to run at all. Last week abandoning the run was warranted. This week it was not.
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agreed.. u do what ur personnel allows.

[H8R]

I think Suggs needs to focus on defense, what they allowed today is a disgrace. We used to be a team that hammered bad QB'S now we are the nails.

[BenDufusberger]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1321237249' post='869230']
Just got back from the game. Let me reply to this using what Seahawks fans were saying to me.

On Ray Rice:

"What the hell .. why aren't they running Rice?"
"Wow ... they stopped running .. wow"
"Is Rice hurt?"

On Joe Flacco:

"My god he's horrible"
"He's terrible"
"Why are they still throwing?"

And that's from OPPOSING fans. Ray Rice only having 5 rushes (12 total rushes for the team - 6.3yds/attempt) and Flacco having 52 passing attempts (53 total for the team - 4.6yds/attempt) on a night where he was consistently throwing behind, above or just plain skipping it into wide open receivers is unbelievable.

Cameron completely abandoned the run and his play calling was as atrocious as I've ever seen. Add to that Harbaugh's decisions. 47 (think it was 47) yard FG attempt into the open end of Centurylink Field? Really? Everybody around me as they lined it up were laughing their heads off and saying what a horrible call it was to try it. And what was that challenge at the end of the game that killed 1 of 2 remaining timeouts?
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How humiliating. You have my sympathies , dude. Glad it was you and not me , though.

[JO_75]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1321236897' post='869193']
I know lol

And maybe Andy Moeller isn't the right fit for the offensive line (that can be addressed in off season though). We need to get the ground and pound going.
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Hell, I would be all for it. New OL Coach, and new OC coach.... and bringing back Jim Zorn would be good too lol.

This is the second time I believe where Suggs has taken a shot at Cam. I think he did the same after we lost to Jacksonville.

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='BenDufusberger' timestamp='1321237458' post='869256']

How humiliating. You have my sympathies , dude. Glad it was you and not me , though.
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I think it was more humiliating sitting near the other Ravens fan who talked garbage the whole game. Even I wanted to say, "Are you even watching the game or looking at the scoreboard?!"

I don't know how anyone can be saying Suggs should shut up. Even in his ridiculously limited carries, Rice -still- averaged 5.4yards per carry. How are you not riding that all game?

[H8R]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1321238651' post='869364']


I think it was more humiliating sitting near the other Ravens fan who talked garbage the whole game. Even I wanted to say, "Are you even watching the game or looking at the scoreboard?!"

I don't know how anyone can be saying Suggs should shut up. Even in his ridiculously limited carries, Rice -still- averaged 5.4yards per carry. How are you not riding that all game?
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Suggs needs to focus on defense and stopping mediocre offenses...... and sacking a QB...... its been awhile...

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1321239114' post='869408']
Suggs needs to focus on defense and stopping mediocre offenses...... and sacking a QB...... its been awhile...
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And the 15 seconds it takes to mention that our Pro-bowl running back only got 5 carries the whole game somehow takes away from that? That's ridiculous. He's dead on .. he was right the last time he said it .. he's right this time.

Maybe if you get a few more first downs, fewer 3-and-outs and fewer ridiculously short fields by running the ball you don't keep your D on the field for over 35 mins and things go a little differently for you all around. Look at the number of rushing attempts that Rice has correlated to our Wins and Losses.

[H8R]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1321239510' post='869441']


And the 15 seconds it takes to mention that our Pro-bowl running back only got 5 carries the whole game somehow takes away from that? That's ridiculous. He's dead on .. he was right the last time he said it .. he's right this time.

Maybe if you get a few more first downs, fewer 3-and-outs and fewer ridiculously short fields by running the ball you don't keep your D on the field for over 35 mins and things go a little differently for you all around. Look at the number of rushing attempts that Rice has correlated to our Wins and Losses.
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The point is, don't point fingers...... unless you're pointing them at yourself (team mentality). I NEVER hear this defense take accountability, Suggs, Ray, Ed... none of them.

The defense needs to do a better job of getting themselves off the field on third down.

[Adam Jones]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1321236682' post='869167']
Fire Cam and promote [url="http://www.baltimoreravens.com/People/Coaches/Wilbert_Montgomery.aspx"]http://www.baltimore...Montgomery.aspx[/url]
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'Tis brilliant, I love the idea.

[The Raven]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1321239856' post='869476']
The point is, don't point fingers...... unless you're pointing them at yourself (team mentality). I NEVER hear this defense take accountability, Suggs, Ray, Ed... none of them.
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Thats cuz it usually isn't their fault.

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1321239510' post='869441']

And the 15 seconds it takes to mention that our Pro-bowl running back only got 5 carries the whole game somehow takes away from that? That's ridiculous. He's dead on .. he was right the last time he said it .. he's right this time.

Maybe if you get a few more first downs, fewer 3-and-outs and fewer ridiculously short fields by running the ball you don't keep your D on the field for over 35 mins and things go a little differently for you all around. Look at the number of rushing attempts that Rice has correlated to our Wins and Losses.
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Wow! there's an idea!!! I applaud you. This was a great post.

[BenDufusberger]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1321238651' post='869364']

I think it was more humiliating sitting near the other Ravens fan who talked garbage the whole game. Even I wanted to say, "Are you even watching the game or looking at the scoreboard?!"

I don't know how anyone can be saying Suggs should shut up. Even in his ridiculously limited carries, Rice -still- averaged 5.4yards per carry. How are you not riding that all game?
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Right. Rice has to get enough carries so that the odds tilt to him getting some open field occasionally , where he can juke a tackler or two and outrun some others. The last game , he happened to get that opening on the first carry. In today's game , it might have happened on carry #6 , or #10 , or #15 , but it would have happened. And it would have drawn in the pass defense.

How many of the attempted shots downfield had two defenders swarming around the receiver ? That's partly a function of cover-2 , but it was also because they could see that Cam and Joe were frozen in passing mode. They did a good job picking up RR out of the backfield , and played prevent on our downfield stuff , so all we got was dinks. Ten or fifteen more RR running plays would have loosened that up.

The saddest thing is that this was the second game when Harbs - in the postgame- seemed to have no idea of the final pass-run mix of the game. It's like he doesn't grasp how the game is flowing in real time. That leaves Cam free to unleash his goofy plan , with no chance of a mid-course correction unless Cam himself calls it , or a player gets pissed enough to demand it.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1321236093' post='869098']

Nobody on D did. I said it last week, I'll say it again. Last week we tried to contain Rberger, and we did. This week we tried to contain Tavaris Jackson, and we did. Jackson is a better runner than passer. So, the theory is, if you contain him, but force him to pass, you can win that match up. You still have to get pressure though.

Call me crazy, but I feel like Pagano has softened up. Where are the blitzes? Where's the pressure? Where are the stunts and loops he told us about?
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Before we get all crazy and start calling out our defense, let us remember that if not for them standing up all those Seahawk FGs would have been TDs and we would have gotten clobbered!

Our pass rush wasn't there but I'm telling you that it is no coincidence that both Ngata and Suggs were reported to have "minor" injuries and we have no pass rush today. I think perhaps they are both hurting a little more than is being let on.

That said, they did let us down at the end. If they could have just stopped them on one of those 3rd downs, our offense would have at least gotten a chance to win the game.

[a7nationarmy]

This was the least aggressive I've seen a Pagano defense all season long. It seems they were afraid of a blitz making a hole for Tarvaris Jackson. I repeat, they were scared of T-Jax.

I think the Red Rifle is going to see plenty of blitzes next week. He's going to have a very painful Monday morning.

T-Sizzle and the entire defense has to be furious at what this offense is. It's one thing to be continually throwing the ball and being effective, it's another to have an offense incapable of stretching the field, dropping passes, and whose pass attempts are merely checkdowns at almost every turn.

[DMH_in_WA]

I can tell you this, I was on the 50 yard line opposite the Ravens sideline and I was checking on the Ravens bench the whole game through my binoculars. After the Offense and Special Teams left them out to dry like 3 times in a row in the first quarter, the energy level on the D bench went to zero. At one point, Ed Reed was leaned almost completely over and Ray Lewis was just looking down at his feet. It picked up towards the end of the 2nd quarter and at the beginning of the 3rd, but then after the offense kept misfiring it seemed to trail off again.

I was also amazed, seeing it live, how little the offense seems to be looking at photos and working on things when they're off the field compared to the defense.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1321241242' post='869562']
I can tell you this, I was on the 50 yard line opposite the Ravens sideline and I was checking on the Ravens bench the whole game through my binoculars. After the Offense and Special Teams left them out to dry like 3 times in a row in the first quarter, the energy level on the D bench went to zero. At one point, Ed Reed was leaned almost completely over and Ray Lewis was just looking down at his feet. It picked up towards the end of the 2nd quarter and at the beginning of the 3rd, but then after the offense kept misfiring it seemed to trail off again.

I was also amazed, seeing it live, how little the offense seems to be looking at photos and working on things when they're off the field compared to the defense.
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What do you want the offense to look at? Cam's Denny's menu? Cam controls this offense. Just more smoke screens from Harbaugh and Co. about "this is Joe's offense" that they gave us after the Cardinals' game. Cam is going to control this offense as long as Harbaugh keeps sticking his head in the sand. No need for offensive players to look at stuff if Cam is just going to keep sending in the same old tired plays we've seen for 3 1/2 yrs now. I'm sure Joe knows them backwards and forwards. It's not like Cam actually makes adjustments to what the opposing defense is doing anyway. He handed out his game plan scripts prior to the game and everyone knows he ain't changing them for no one or nothing.

[JohnnyBoy8102]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1321236183' post='869107']
Maybe Suggs and the big bad defense should get off the field on 3rd down.... so Ray Rice CAN touch the Ball..
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The Seahawks were 5/16 on 3rd down conversions.

Did anyone else notice that Marshawn's longest rush was just 8 yards?

[bauer77]

[quote name='Crabcakes&Football' timestamp='1321236192' post='869108']

Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Matthew Stafford (I know), Tom Brady, Peyton Manning. Besides Stafford, all those guys are elite, not every team can follow the same formula.
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Yeah and the fact that the simply dont have a Pro-Bowl running back. They sort of have to throw more.

[H8R]

[quote name='JohnnyBoy8102' timestamp='1321244899' post='869704']

The Seahawks were 5/16 on 3rd down conversions.

Did anyone else notice that Marshawn's longest rush was just 8 yards?
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and how many of those came on the FINAL drive? 3. Getting off the field , on third downs WHEN IT MATTERS MOST.

[RedFire]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1321274419' post='870008']



and how many of those came on the FINAL drive? 3. Getting off the field , on third downs WHEN IT MATTERS MOST.
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Defense was tired cuz of time of posession being very one sided. You can't expect a defense to be able To read and react effectively taking 70% of the said teams snaps.

[H8R]

[quote name='RedFire' timestamp='1321275321' post='870019']
Defense was tired cuz of time of posession being very one sided. You can't expect a defense to be able To read and react effectively taking 70% of the said teams snaps.
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The Ravens had 66 snaps on offense, the Seahawks had 70..... They had a 13 play drive to end the game, even after Seattle being in a 1st and 20.... They allowed the Seahawks to hold the ball for almost 6 minutes. Stop making excuses for them. If the D got off the field, the TOP would be almost EVEN.....

[berad]

[color=#000000]Quotes from our D...[/color]

[color=#000000][quote]“Despite everything that happened early we still had an opportunity to come back and win the game, and [b]we didn’t get it done[/b],” Suggs said. “[The offense] gave us enough to get in the opportunity to win the game. [b]This one might be on the defense a little bit[/b].”[/quote][/color]

[color=#000000][quote][/color]“Definitely a surprise,” Ngata said about not being able to stop Seattle on the last drive. “We thought we could get off, and we needed to get off and [b]we didn’t do our job[/b].”[/quote]

[url="http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/2011/11/13/suggs-im-disgusted-to-lose-like-this/"]LINK[/url]

[Tank 92]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1321278728' post='870097']

The Ravens had 66 snaps on offense, the Seahawks had 70..... They had a 13 play drive to end the game, even after Seattle being in a 1st and 20.... [u][i][b]They allowed the Seahawks to hold the ball for almost 6 minutes. Stop making excuses for them.[/b][/i][/u] If the D got off the field, the TOP would be almost EVEN.....
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All need to listen to this and pay attention. While the D did a great job holding the hawks to FGs, they just did not get it done when it mattered most. The excuse "they were on the field too long" does not hold water in this one. The D failed us yesterday. Face the facts.

[grantkyle2003]

If we want to get to indy in feb then we need to play more consistent dominate well rounded team football. The special teams, defense and offense need to play perfect lights out. The defense needs to shut down the opponent and the offense needs to follow that up with a long time consuming drive ending with TD's and the specials teams need to have great returns and Koch pin the opponent in there own territory.

[DMH_in_WA]

[quote name='awholelottahaloti' timestamp='1321280220' post='870164']


All need to listen to this and pay attention. While the D did a great job holding the hawks to FGs, they just did not get it done when it mattered most. The excuse "they were on the field too long" does not hold water in this one. The D failed us yesterday. Face the facts.
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The D had two series that bothered me yesterday. That last one, of course, because they had a couple opportunities to stop the Seahawks (even with their coach inexplicably burning a time out for no good reason on a challenge). There was also Seattle's 5th possession where they moved from their own 24 to FG range and made it. The rest, they were put in crap situations all day by the offense and special teams and held for the majority of it.

Seattle possessions:

1 - Started own 26 - Punt
2 - Started own 40 - TD (this one bothered me a little because it looked like no one was keeping an eye on Lynch)
3 - Started Balt 19 - FG
4 - Started own 28 - Punt
5 - Started own 24 - FG
6 - Started Balt 42 - FG
7 - Started Balt 18 - FG
8 - Started Balt 4 - FG
9 - Started own 9 - Punt
10- Started own 27 - Punt
11- Started own 3 - Punt
12- Started own 20 - final drive

Yea .. I can see how the D owns this loss. And yes, that was sarcasm. They can take responsibility for the 2nd possesion TD, 5th possession FG and not making a stop on the 12th. That leaves 12 points and a lot of missed opportunity on the field for the offense, special teams and the coaches. BTW, how many points did they win by?

As for those who say we had to abandon the run because we were running out of time. Look at the play calls. We abandoned the run for the most part 10 mins into the 1st quarter.

Baltimore Possesions:

01 - 4 runs for 36 yards - 2 passes - Punt
02 - 1 run for 4 yards - 4 passes - Punt
03 - 1 run for 1 yard - 13 passes - TD
04 - 1 run for 4 yards - 2 passes - Punt
05 - 1 run for 11 yards - 5 passes - Punt
-2nd half-
06 - 0 runs - 6 passes - INT
07 - 1 run (Flacco) - 5 Passes - Punt
08 - 3 runs for 15 yards - 8 passes - FG
09 - 0 runs - 5 passes - Punt
10 - 0 runs (Flacco scrambled) - 9 Passes - TD

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1321302413' post='871005']

The D had two series that bothered me yesterday. That last one, of course, because they had a couple opportunities to stop the Seahawks (even with their coach inexplicably burning a time out for no good reason on a challenge). There was also Seattle's 5th possession where they moved from their own 24 to FG range and made it. The rest, they were put in crap situations all day by the offense and special teams and held for the majority of it.

Seattle possessions:

1 - Started own 26 - Punt
2 - Started own 40 - TD (this one bothered me a little because it looked like no one was keeping an eye on Lynch)
3 - Started Balt 19 - FG
4 - Started own 28 - Punt
5 - Started own 24 - FG
6 - Started Balt 42 - FG
7 - Started Balt 18 - FG
8 - Started Balt 4 - FG
9 - Started own 9 - Punt
10- Started own 27 - Punt
11- Started own 3 - Punt
12- Started own 20 - final drive

Yea .. I can see how the D owns this loss. And yes, that was sarcasm. They can take responsibility for the 2nd possesion TD, 5th possession FG and not making a stop on the 12th. [u][b]That leaves 12 points and a lot of missed opportunity on the field for the offense[/b][/u], special teams and the coaches. BTW, how many points did they win by?

As for those who say we had to abandon the run because we were running out of time. Look at the play calls. We abandoned the run for the most part 10 mins into the 1st quarter.

Baltimore Possesions:

01 - 4 runs for 36 yards - 2 passes - Punt
02 - 1 run for 4 yards - 4 passes - Punt
03 - 1 run for 1 yard - 13 passes - TD
04 - 1 run for 4 yards - 2 passes - Punt
05 - 1 run for 11 yards - 5 passes - Punt
-2nd half-
06 - 0 runs - 6 passes - INT
07 - 1 run (Flacco) - 5 Passes - Punt
08 - 3 runs for 15 yards - 8 passes - FG
09 - 0 runs - 5 passes - Punt
10 - 0 runs (Flacco scrambled) - 9 Passes - TD
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bingo!

~Mili

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1321235723' post='869049']
My thoughts ... there need to be a lot more "not so subtle" shots on Cam. I'm really starting to doubt Harbs as well. Come on you're the head coach. Somebody out there has to say "hey, Rice doesn't even have 10 carries in this game" and Harbs needs to get on Cam about that. i don't care how far down we are, if all we do is pass, we can't win in this league.
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Special teams is my concern right now. They have been horrible this year. Harbs is in my doghouse right now, and if they clean house i want him gone as well.

[The Raven]

[quote name='RedFire' timestamp='1321275321' post='870019']
Defense was tired cuz of time of posession being very one sided. You can't expect a defense to be able To read and react effectively taking 70% of the said teams snaps.
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It was mentioned in another thread, but our defense was on the field for a whopping total of 4 more plays than Seattle's. Inexcusable.

Also, they are highly conditioned professional NFL athletes, they should be able to do better. Conditioning didn't look like a problem to me. Inability to execute looked like a problem.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1321235483' post='869021']
an interviewer mentioned to Suggs that; "Lynch has another big game..." and before he could finish that statement, Suggs interrupted and said; [i]"How many attempts did he get?" [/i]the interviewer responded with, "he had over 20..." Suggs again interrupted and said; [i]"How much? Oh..he had 30 attempts? Well, you give a guy the ball enough and inch it out, you definitely gonna get there somehow."[/i]

Suggs was outspoken before after that Jaguars game about Rice not getting enough touches. this may have been a subtle shot at Cam perhaps? your thoughts?

~Mili
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Didn't Suggs just get done saying; "pack your run game and your defense". Trying to make Flacco elite in every game played, seems to be the problem with this offense. Flacco needs major work. No more excuses for him either.

[The Raven]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1321302413' post='871005']

The D had two series that bothered me yesterday. That last one, of course, because they had a couple opportunities to stop the Seahawks (even with their coach inexplicably burning a time out for no good reason on a challenge). There was also Seattle's 5th possession where they moved from their own 24 to FG range and made it. The rest, they were put in crap situations all day by the offense and special teams and held for the majority of it.

Seattle possessions:

1 - Started own 26 - Punt
2 - Started own 40 - TD (this one bothered me a little because it looked like no one was keeping an eye on Lynch)
3 - Started Balt 19 - FG
4 - Started own 28 - Punt
5 - Started own 24 - FG
6 - Started Balt 42 - FG
7 - Started Balt 18 - FG
8 - Started Balt 4 - FG
9 - Started own 9 - Punt
10- Started own 27 - Punt
11- Started own 3 - Punt
12- Started own 20 - final drive

Yea .. I can see how the D owns this loss. And yes, that was sarcasm. They can take responsibility for the 2nd possesion TD, 5th possession FG and not making a stop on the 12th. That leaves 12 points and a lot of missed opportunity on the field for the offense, special teams and the coaches. BTW, how many points did they win by?

As for those who say we had to abandon the run because we were running out of time. Look at the play calls. We abandoned the run for the most part 10 mins into the 1st quarter.

Baltimore Possesions:

01 - 4 runs for 36 yards - 2 passes - Punt
02 - 1 run for 4 yards - 4 passes - Punt
03 - 1 run for 1 yard - 13 passes - TD
04 - 1 run for 4 yards - 2 passes - Punt
05 - 1 run for 11 yards - 5 passes - Punt
-2nd half-
06 - 0 runs - 6 passes - INT
07 - 1 run (Flacco) - 5 Passes - Punt
08 - 3 runs for 15 yards - 8 passes - FG
09 - 0 runs - 5 passes - Punt
10 - 0 runs (Flacco scrambled) - 9 Passes - TD
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wow. The number of passes completely outweighs the runs.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='DMH_in_WA' timestamp='1321302413' post='871005']

Yea .. I can see how the D owns this loss. And yes, that was sarcasm. They can take responsibility for the 2nd possesion TD, 5th possession FG and[u][i][b] not making a stop on the 12th.[/b][/i][/u] That leaves 12 points and a lot of missed opportunity on the field for the offense, special teams and the coaches. BTW, how many points did they win by?

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I don't see how anyone could say the D "owns this loss". Everyone contributed, with huge contributions from David Reed.

But, after all of the dust settled we still had a good chance to win. The D flat out failed on the last drive. No excuse for it.
Read the post where Suggs and Haloti are quoted saying the same.