Rice Refuses To Speak With The Media

[jdynamite]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1321236465' post='869136']
Is everyone seeing the same Ray Rice? He's averaging 4.0 YPC.... that's not good enough.
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Increased carries means chances to get chunks of yardage. It's not like he goes in every game getting 25 carries for 80 yds.
Even with 4.0 ypc if he got 20-30 carries he gets near 100.
If the 76 yd run was called back ( that average would have leaped )
It's not like he has struggled similar to CJ2K.

[Ravenseconbeast]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1321236465' post='869136']Is everyone seeing the same Ray Rice? He's averaging 4.0 YPC.... that's not good enough.[/quote]

They are only using ray rice as a dump off receiver or only as a afterthought. Cam doesnt have any schemes for Rice to create plays.

[sflegend89]

Give the man his touches, Cam hit the panic button in the 2nd quarter and abandoned the run. You can't play scared/desperate football on offense just cuz your losing by 2 scores in the 2nd quarter. We let their corners fall into a comfort mode, they expected pass every play so it was harder to get seperation with no threat of running the ball. I would be sick if Rice left us in FA. But this trend of not giving him the ball is gonna start to piss him off at some point.

Cam disgusts me as an OC, but David Reed still cost us the game. We can make all the other mistakes and still win. But putiing the ball on the turf TWICE within our 20? There's no excuse, that's ball game right there.

[Mick0311]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1321237111' post='869218']
We were down by 2 tds, in the 4th quarter... you can't exactly run.run.run....
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What does that have to do with abandoning the run in the second quarter? He had 4 or 5 touches with 10 minutes left in the third!! That is just plain silly.

[purplebird5]

In the 6 wins Rice averages 18.6 carries for 76.8 yards, 4.6 receptions and has 7 TD's. In the 3 losses he averages 7 carries for 23.6yards, 3.3 receptions, and 1 TD.

[Radinho84]

[quote name='purplebird5' timestamp='1321257571' post='869898']
In the 6 wins Rice averages 18.6 carries for 76.8 yards, 4.6 receptions and has 7 TD's. In the 3 losses he averages 7 carries for 23.6yards, 3.3 receptions, and 1 TD.
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good point. tell that to that cameron guy

[Timusmc26]

Ok I think we need a player or someone in our front office to come out from under this PR umbrella and say exactly what everyone wants to say but doesn't want to be the first one to say it. Cam needs to go!! I know thats what's what that locker room is thinking. Someone grow some balls and say it! We will not be able to win a superbowl while cam is calling these plays. I like flacco but he is not Tom Brady. and Tom Brady doesn't even throw the ball as much as Flacco. RUN THE BALL!!! please dear god! just try it for once CAM! I am tired of this!!

[arnie_uk]

You do know what cam will do against the bengals right? He will go run run pass every series and it won't be working then at half time for the 2nd or 3rd time in his tenure as ravens o coord he will make a half time adjustment and completely abandon the run in 2nd half.. this my friends is cam Cameron

[Pitts200]

What about a quick reversal from what happened on Sunday. Lets say CC stuck to running the ball and Rice got his 20+ carries and the Ravens still lost with lets say the same outcome.

Wouldn't everyone be here up in arms saying, "Why was CC still running when the Ravens were down by 15 in the 3rd! They should have Joe in the shotgun throwing every down!"

I've heard this said on this forum many many times in regard to Joe in the shotgun so I'm just playing devil's advocate. Sometimes you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Also, I hear about the Ravens predictability and how they use to "Run, Run, Pass" and everyone would say that's such a horrible gameplan.

Also, everyone in here should know. Your situation with RR isn't like some other teams with their number 1 back. Like with the Steelers, if we abandon the run it means Mendenhall doesn't have any chance of touching the ball since he doesn't have good hands. At least with the Ravens, you can still utilize RR but in a difference aspect because he is such a threat out of the backfield. So even though he isn't getting his rushes, he can still get 5 or 10 catches out of the backfield unlike 90% of other number 1 backs in the league.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Pitts200' timestamp='1321274743' post='870012']
What about a quick reversal from what happened on Sunday. Lets say CC stuck to running the ball and Rice got his 20+ carries and the Ravens still lost with lets say the same outcome.

Wouldn't everyone be here up in arms saying, "Why was CC still running when the Ravens were down by 15 in the 3rd! They should have Joe in the shotgun throwing every down!"

I've heard this said on this forum many many times in regard to Joe in the shotgun so I'm just playing devil's advocate. Sometimes you're damned if you do and damned if you don't. Also, I hear about the Ravens predictability and how they use to "Run, Run, Pass" and everyone would say that's such a horrible gameplan.

Also, everyone in here should know. Your situation with RR isn't like some other teams with their number 1 back. Like with the Steelers, if we abandon the run it means Mendenhall doesn't have any chance of touching the ball since he doesn't have good hands. At least with the Ravens, you can still utilize RR but in a difference aspect because he is such a threat out of the backfield. So even though he isn't getting his rushes, he can still get 5 or 10 catches out of the backfield unlike 90% of other number 1 backs in the league.
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You are correct about some. If we run, it's why didn't we pass. If we pass it's why didn't we run. However, he abandoned the run when we were only down by 3 pts. While I don't have an issue with us increasing our # of pass plays at that point to attempt to get the offense into a rhythm, I do take issue with him abandoning the run game entirely and so early.

[Buffalohead50]

It alls go back to play calling. How can he only be given 5 touches? Offensive coordinator needs to go!

[Twistidfunk]

I know the run game was not working well but where were the dump offs to Rice in the flat?! Rice single handedly takes over the game when he has the ball in his hands. You got to get him the ball. PERIOD.

I think Cam and Flacco are obsessed with going deep and losing to these inferior teams is maddening. The mistakes on special teams are killing this team and throw in dead man walking Cam Cameron. Just not a good recipe for a Superbowl team.

[Tiz]

Love the assumption that he is pissed about carries when he was still a big part of the game plan.


Offense struggles one week players say rice needs more touches
Offense struggles later players say boldin needs to be involved more

Passing game leads come back vs az not a soul says rice shoulda got it more

Joe to torry sparks blow out of st.l not a soul says boldin or rice shoulda led that charge.

Maybe rice isnt pissed about calls but about sloppy play...that, as rice pointed out week 1, isnt on cam

[GER-Guard #70]

i know we talk about the ravens here but did you see what dallas is doing and i think its a good way to compare they play with a rookie oline rookie rb and some young receivers ( even austin is out) they are totally dominant at the moment by run and pass why ? because they are unpredictable they take 2 plays out of the huddle one run one pass an adjust to the defense you hear romo like 20 times saying kill kill to flop it that makes them soo good at the moment because it makes them unpredictable. By the way they killed the sea hawks with theire running game like every other team too but who cares ? we running the power plays like years ago with loneal and mclain but rice is not that type of a runner that why is average is so bad he is not a power runner that was mcgahee's job rice is great on singelback sets delays tosses cutbacks that the way he has success put him in space and he delivers .

[berad]

[quote name='Buffalohead50' timestamp='1321276136' post='870033']
It alls go back to play calling. How can he only be given 5 touches? Offensive coordinator needs to go!
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Touches are different than carries. He only had 5 carries.

[funky141]

I have to agree, Ray Rice didn't get enough carries Sunday. Terrible play calling from Cam.

[H8R]

Not enough handoffs but Rice touched the ball or was targeted 18 times.

[grantkyle2003]

Rice doesnt need to go before the media and try to explain why he wasnt touching the ball most of the game. If anyone is forced to go before the media it should be cameron but we know thats not happening because we would still be having a press conference.

Rice is the centerpiece of our offense, not Joe or Boldin. Rice makes the defense play honest focus there attention on him while trying to cover our recievers. Rice makes the offense go and open for guys like smith, boldin and the TE's to do there thing. When Rice goes out wide the defense has to roll to him and lighten up on the other guys. When the OC dileberatley takes rice out of the picture it makes the defenses day alot better. It would be like the patriots taking wes welker out of the play calling or the the steelers telling big ben to not throw or scramble and just hand off. Just an idiotic thought process sometimes, you want to win this division? Run the ball "EFFECTIVELY" and play great defense. Im no rocket scientist but I have a great record in madden 12 in the play calling department, interview me in the off season and just see if some guy on the street knows more than the hack OC we currently have.

[redrum52]

MUTINY!!!! I say the offense starts making their own calls in the huddle and claim broken headset. Cameron will be the cause of a split between the offense and defense, then between the offensive players among each other. HOW THE HELL DOES RICE CARRY THE BALL ONLY 5 TIMES? I didn't get to see the game but his average doesn't lead me to believe he was struggling. The only reason I can even imagine Flacco passing this much is to get more film so our inept coordinator can get more film to work with his qb in figuring out the cover 2. This was a winnable game and NEVER should have taken place. Harbaugh needs to tighthen up his ship and let the team know NO MORE GAMES the rest of the season. You're either all in out out. If cutting Reed would send a message that the Steelers Sweep Honeymoon is over then best of luck in your future endeavors sir.

[Tank 92]

I think everyone is reading too much into this.

He could have spoke and blasted a lot of folks(including the D!). He just showed his class by not crying and calling out mistakes.

[rlh445]

Bah, the only ones who touched the ball more than Rice were Flacco and Birk. I don't think he was mad at his own (perceived by us) lack of opportunities but the way the entire team handled the opportunities they were all collectively given.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='nyc9192' timestamp='1321248726' post='869819']
lets go inside da mind of a ray rice.Ray rice.. [profanity deleted]..All jokes aside though ray did what everyone in that lockeroom wanted to do.Its time for some personnel changes and [b]ray said the most by saying the least[/b].Respect
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a whole lot was said....by what Ray Rice didn't say!

~Mili

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1321234946' post='868944']
i am watching the Ravens postgame live show and they said that Ray Rice refused to be interviewed by the media. they stated that he said; [i]"I want to say something positive...but....if you have nothing good to say....say nothing at all!" [/i] wow!

~Mili
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Coaching????????? And Arthur Jones bone headed play. David Reed also-- i dont know why he is still on the team.

[Ravensstrike4424]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1321234946' post='868944']
i am watching the Ravens postgame live show and they said that Ray Rice refused to be interviewed by the media. they stated that he said; [i]"I want to say something positive...but....if you have nothing good to say....say nothing at all!" [/i] wow!

~Mili
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he was very upset,you could see it during the game,camera went right to him

[ravensdfan]

All he said by not saying anything at all is that he was upset by the loss. That his emotions were not in check at that time so he preferred not to air it out in front of the media. At this time, we cannot know what exactly he is upset about. He got touches. He didn't get carries. We get the ball to Rice more than one way.

Now, abandoning the run game in its entirety (which Cam did) is another topic.

[BenDufusberger]

This is a good example of when what wasn't said was more important than what was. Rice clams up altogether. Suggs , who publicly and loudly complained about Rice not getting enough carries previously , recites the company line about supporting his offense and OC.

What's happening , IMO , is that these conversations have been moved behind closed doors , on strict orders of management. Harbs was testy in his presser not just because of the criticism he's hearing from the press , locally and nationally , but because he's hearing the same from experienced veterans on his own team.

There's trouble brewing behind those closed doors , and it could tear this team apart. Upper management needs to fix this , and soon , or the second half of the season is going to be butt-ugly.

Fire Cam.

[slowj0e]

He has every right not to speak to the media. Why is the defense talking when they could not stop the 28th ranked offense when it mattered and arguably the worst qb in the NFL.

[BenDufusberger]

Here's an example of when what was said might have also implied what couldn't be said :

Suggs in the presser : " Our defensive coordinator [Chuck Pagano], he's coaching his [profanity deleted] off. He's putting in the work, putting us in the right spots. We can't give teams help beating us. When you get them in third downs and third and longs, you've got to get off the field. We've got to reward our coach for the studies he's doing. He's putting us in the right spots. We're just not executing."

It's good to hear such an upbeat - passionate , really - endorsement of our DC , especially coming from one of the foundations of our defense. What about the other half of the game , Suggs ? What about the OC ?

Can you even imagine Suggs , or any other veteran for that matter , heaping similar praise on our OC ?

Me neither.

Fire Cam.

[Ravensstrike4424]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1321238400' post='869342']
He should have gotten more carries but to think we win if Rice gets 20 carries? Just because you don't try something doesn't mean it would have guaranteed a victory.
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we wouldnt have been down by 14 if we ran the ball some more

[codizzle]

[quote name='Ravensstrike4424' timestamp='1321324232' post='871780']


we wouldnt have been down by 14 if we ran the ball some more
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ehh yes and no.. Those two fumbles were costly