Few Touches To Ray Rice Preventing Us From Winning?

[CorvusCorax]

Rice is on my fantasy so I've paid a lot more attention to him. With that said it seems like the less touches he gets, our chances of winning drop dramatically. In the second half he seemed to be making good progress then he gets pulled out. I'm not entirely sure as of why.

We invested a lot into the running game and we tend to be using it less and less. We were in no means in panic mode in the game until the 4th quarter. We still had plenty of time to get the running game in gear, especially with defensive personnel mismatches.

I mean what's going on with out offense? I am questioning it more than anything right now.

I know one man doesn't make a team, but he's got serious talent.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

Cam is what's going on with our offense.

Since when has Joe been the "air it out" QB? It's not like we were falling behind and we stopped running but he abandoned the run game from the beginning. 5 carries for a top RB is inexcusable.

[CorvusCorax]

I mean quite honestly I'm confused. I understand that teams game plan to take Rice out, but they do the same for Flacco. You don't take Flacco out because they game planned for him. It just doesn't make sense.

[Tatelli]

People will say what they want...Cam is not a Raven coach! I don't know maybe RR pissed in Cams morning coffee and got caught. Because for him to have a few touches this game.....WOW! The Seahawks did not make us one dimensional we did it to ourselves. RR would have open up more lanes for passing even if he just had a mediocre day, but I guess we will never know.

[The Raven]

5 carries for a pro bowl RB. SMH!

We gave up on the run way to early. We're down by 3, and we go to the gun? lolwut? You go Cam!

[Gordo52]

Rice vs Titans: 13 carrys LOSS
Rice vs Jags: 8 carrys LOSS
Rice vs Seahawks: 6 carrys LOSS
Rice vs Steelers: week 1: 19 carrys, week 9: 18 carrys - WINS
Rice vs Texans: 23 carrys - WIN
Rice vs Jets: 25 carrys- WIN!!!!
We need to just give him the ball!!! I really do not understand what possibly could be going through Cam Camerons mind. Every week our D plays lights out but our offensive playcalling holds us back and makes games closer then what they should or have us just lose. And our D tonight STILL played lights out. Its not there fault at the end they got to tired. They held them to 5 field goals and 1 TD. I think thats good especially with the circumstances that were handed to them..*cough* *cough* David Reed
What we need to do is control the clock, run the ball, and throw only when we have to. Thats the only way we can beat Cincy

[reserved4]

Ray Rice 5 carries , Joe Flacco 52 passes ????? Seriously what the question

[CorvusCorax]

Wow that's one obvious pattern! I've never seen a team not give their star RB a chance at carries. Even Chris Johnson got his carries. And guess what, it paid out for him this week!

[Free Agent]

I would rather run the ball with Rice 30 times, than air it out with Flacco 50 times. Rice is the playmaker on this offense, and he needs to get the ball. Flacco needs his opportunites too, but Rice should be the priority.

[Crabcakes&Football]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1321235665' post='869043']
Rice vs Titans: 13 carrys LOSS
Rice vs Jags: 8 carrys LOSS
Rice vs Seahawks: 6 carrys LOSS
Rice vs Steelers: week 1: 19 carrys, week 9: 18 carrys - WINS
Rice vs Texans: 23 carrys - WIN
Rice vs Jets: 25 carrys- WIN!!!!
We need to just give him the ball!!! I really do not understand what possibly could be going through Cam Camerons mind. Every week our D plays lights out but our offensive playcalling holds us back and makes games closer then what they should or have us just lose. And our D tonight STILL played lights out. Its not there fault at the end they got to tired. They held them to 5 field goals and 1 TD. I think thats good especially with the circumstances that were handed to them..*cough* *cough* David Reed
What we need to do is control the clock, run the ball, and throw only when we have to. Thats the only way we can beat Cincy
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You vs Cam: 1 post-RIGHT

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1321235665' post='869043']
Rice vs Titans: 13 carrys LOSS
Rice vs Jags: 8 carrys LOSS
Rice vs Seahawks: 6 carrys LOSS
Rice vs Steelers: week 1: 19 carrys, week 9: 18 carrys - WINS
Rice vs Texans: 23 carrys - WIN
Rice vs Jets: 25 carrys- WIN!!!!
We need to just give him the ball!!! [b]I really do not understand what possibly could be going through Cam Camerons mind. Every week our D plays lights out but our offensive playcalling holds us back [/b]and makes games closer then what they should or have us just lose. And our D tonight STILL played lights out. Its not there fault at the end they got to tired. They held them to 5 field goals and 1 TD. I think thats good especially with the circumstances that were handed to them..*cough* *cough* David Reed
What we need to do is control the clock, run the ball, and throw only when we have to. Thats the only way we can beat Cincy
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it is what it is!!

~Mili

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='Ravens<3' timestamp='1321235665' post='869043']
Rice vs Titans: 13 carrys LOSS
Rice vs Jags: 8 carrys LOSS
Rice vs Seahawks: 6 carrys LOSS
Rice vs Steelers: week 1: 19 carrys, week 9: 18 carrys - WINS
Rice vs Texans: 23 carrys - WIN
Rice vs Jets: 25 carrys- WIN!!!!
We need to just give him the ball!!! I really do not understand what possibly could be going through Cam Camerons mind. Every week our D plays lights out but our offensive playcalling holds us back and makes games closer then what they should or have us just lose. And our D tonight STILL played lights out. Its not there fault at the end they got to tired. They held them to 5 field goals and 1 TD. I think thats good especially with the circumstances that were handed to them..*cough* *cough* David Reed
What we need to do is control the clock, run the ball, and throw only when we have to. Thats the only way we can beat Cincy
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I will say this again: the Patriots won 3 Superbowls by being a run-first offense that allowed their quarterback to make plays when he had 2. The Pittsburgh Steelers won 2 Superbowls and got to a third by being a run-first offense that allowed their quarterback to make plays when he had to. The Baltimore Ravens have all the personnel in place (except a competent offensive coordinator) to be a run-first offense that allows its quarterback to make plays when he has to. But we don't do it. News flash to Cam Cameron: Don Coryell and Dan Fouts never won a Superbowl either. Look at how well the Chargers have done since they stopped running with LT and started featuring Philip Rivers more. Run the ball.

[KillaBirdTJ]

Somethings got to give.... Biscotti and Oz put alot of talent on this roster, much much more than any of the teams we lost to (Titans, Jags, Seahawks) and in all three losses Rice gets minimal touches. Cam Camoron, when will enough be ENOUGH!

[DMH_in_WA]

Don't forget ... 5 Rice carries today .. 5.4yds / attempt and they abandoned the run. I was at the game and I've never seen anything like it. If they had been stuffing the run for loses and whatnot, I could see. Wow.

12 run, 53 passes and the running game STILL averaged more yards per attempt .... how do you defend that?

[T3hRaven]

What is it going to take for the lovefest on Ray Rice to end? I'd take Mendehall, Turner, Benson, and even Lynch before him if I was making a team. We should have about 15-20 runs per game, no matter who has the ball, so I disagree with the extreme imbalance on offense, but it's not like Rice is shredding people this season. Rice makes his money by being a decent runner with excellent hands (for a RB), by serving as Flacco's check down. Against a decent run defense Rice does not produce, probably because he's too small. Saying he's an elite talent is quite the stretch.

Our only 'elite' players though are Suggs, Ngata, and maybe Ed Reed, but they were no where to be seen today.

[The King]

I can see using the passing game that heavily if we were far behind late in the game and needed big plays and clock stoppage in order to get back into the game, but I can't think of any reason not to feed Ray Rice the ball when we're only down by three points. Five carries on the day for him is utterly unacceptable as a number. I really can't understand how Cam didn't adjust his game plan in the second half. Granted we were down and that's when you start passing generally, but we had already been passing heavy and it hadn't been working. It was time to switch and we did not.

[RavenousBG]

Oh yes! Cam needs to get to work on this issue. I understand that the running game won't always be there but you have to get creative in ways of getting Ray the ball that spell the running game if need be. That is my problem with Cam right now. He's not being creative. Teams believe that the key to slowing this offense down is to shut down Ray and they are committing to that. Well I think sometimes we have to commit to getting him the ball.

[Timusmc26]

I sent my resume to the ravens front office to be our new offensive coordinator. I don't know to much of the in's and out's of being an offensive coordinator but even I know that you can't run only five times with your premier running back and expect to win the game. I have seriously grown a hatred towards Cam.

[BenDufusberger]

[quote name='Timusmc26' timestamp='1321241903' post='869597']
I sent my resume to the ravens front office to be our new offensive coordinator. I don't know to much of the in's and out's of being an offensive coordinator but even I know that you can't run only five times with your premier running back and expect to win the game. I have seriously grown a hatred towards Cam.
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You've got my vote.

I sent them a note suggesting they write down the numbers of all offensive plays on scraps of paper , put them in a hat , then draw one out for each play. Pay someone minimum wage to read the number into the mic hookup with Joe.

If they want to get fancy , they could put the paper slips into fortune cookies , then all the guys on the bench could enjoy some snacks.

[Ravenseconbeast]

This is a defense minded team. Ground and pound is our style. Why play to other teams scheme amd not use whats best for our advantage? Our best offensive player, without a question is Ray Rice. Use this man. Sub 10carries per game for a top 5 running back is a JOKE.

No more 50 passing attempt that only produces sub-250 yards!

[usmccharles]

if rice doesnt see 15 carries its a fail. you cant pass with out setting up the run....unless your aaron rodgers

[Timusmc26]

[quote name='BenDufusberger' timestamp='1321242921' post='869630']

You've got my vote.

I sent them a note suggesting they write down the numbers of all offensive plays on scraps of paper , put them in a hat , then draw one out for each play. Pay someone minimum wage to read the number into the mic hookup with Joe.

If they want to get fancy , they could put the paper slips into fortune cookies , then all the guys on the bench could enjoy some snacks.
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haha Awesome!

[HaX]

get cam the hell out of baltimore

[Trilogique]

Totally. It's so frustrating to see us run almost all pass plays when we're only down 2 scores in the 3rd. Seriously, we could have just continued our normal gameplan and saved the "throw on every down" mentality for later.

[Mick0311]

With 10 minutes left in the 3rd, RR had 5 carries. 5.

[Radinho84]

like fly said on another thread before: his yardage per attempt are very questionable this year. he does´t play like the last two years. you all wanted us to be a more offensive kind of team. that means that you have to throw the ball more than you run it. especially when your running game gets you nothing!

but i have to admit that he needs to get the ball at least 15 times!!!

[BMOREHAWAII]

Werent the fans clamoring for us to be a "passing" team in the off-season? But with that being said it's obvious that our play MAKER, needs to touch the balls.I dont care what anyone says, we were and always will be a smashmouth run first team.We have the best blocking FB in the league, and Ray Rice. Need i say more?

[gabefergy]

The problem is Cam gets too in love with passing the ball, even though running is a much higher percentage chance of gaining positive yards. Cam is allergic to running the ball unless we have Leach in there. How about some creativity! We saw Rice get on inside hand-off when the defense was spread out and it worked great! Cam needs to learn to run the ball when we have 2 TEs out there. Its like he sees that personnel as pass only for some reason I cant explain.

[PuRock]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1321293164' post='870672']
[b]The problem is Cam gets too in love with passing the ball,[/b] even though running is a much higher percentage chance of gaining positive yards. Cam is allergic to running the ball unless we have Leach in there. How about some creativity! We saw Rice get on inside hand-off when the defense was spread out and it worked great! Cam needs to learn to run the ball when we have 2 TEs out there. Its like he sees that personnel as pass only for some reason I cant explain.
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It does seem like Cam looks at the inferior opposition and just wants to rack up crazy yards when gameplanning. "We are going to come out there and throw it all over the place just light it up." But he isn't gameplanning to this teams strengths and to actually win the game.

[tctony]

Something about Rice's running hasn't been as productive this year. Perhaps the blocking schemes. That said, 5 carries is unacceptable. He did add 8 more catches, but they were unimaginative for the most part. We still underutilize the screen pass to him.

Cam went into panic mode after we went down 10, and never looked back.

Anybody else wish we kept Willis this year instead of getting Ricky? Maybe we can get Anthony Allen some carries or something.