Flacco In The Shotgun.

[TDubbs]

Over the last 4 years when we stick Joe in the gun he has shown, at least to me that it, he is much better when he is not under center. He is able to be further away from the pass rush and he makes his reads faster and more efficient. On Sunday when we stuck to the passing game and gave him the extra receivers he tore the game up, and our weapons made great plays.

Flacco is the prototype of a pocket passer, we all know he has the arm strength to make any throw. My point is that with our players we have the ability throw the ball and put up points the way the Packers and Patriots do. We saw a glimpse of this in that amazing comeback, the fact that we can have the confidence to put Joe in the shotgun and let him pick apart a defense. Arizona knew we were passing the ball and they still could not stop it.

Im not saying totally abstain from using the run game, but I dont think we`re maximizing our potential to air it out and put points on the board. There are a lot of teams that can put up big numbers through the air, but no one can run the ball like we can and play defense. When we get a lead, theres no other team that can close out a game like we can. The Packers showed us the formula to beat the Steelers, I just feel we could adopt some of their tactics.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='TDubbs' timestamp='1320094760' post='848368']
The Packers showed us the formula to beat the Steelers, I just feel we could adopt some of their tactics.
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We already knew it, many people have known it but it is hard to do, we finally have the personnel to do it just not the OC.

[usmccharles]

well if i know our game plan, its stop doing what works. Every time we put him in the shotgun he makes plays then we go back to the stuff that doesnt work a couple plays later. I think we should continue to let flacco do what he did in that game against the steelers, but if rice doesnt get the ball at LEAST 15 times a game, i will not be too happy. I just dont get what Cam does, everytime something works, we try something else...

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='usmccharles' timestamp='1320095161' post='848383']
well if i know our game plan, its stop doing what works. Every time we put him in the shotgun he makes plays then we go back to the stuff that doesnt work a couple plays later. I think we should continue to let flacco do what he did in that game against the steelers, but if rice doesnt get the ball at LEAST 15 times a game, i will not be too happy. [b] I just dont get what Cam does, everytime something works, we try something else...[/b]
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^^^ not sure there is a better way to put it.

If you were the only one I would feel better about it but unfortunately that is not the case.

[da#1ravensfan]

In putting Flacco in the gun we would not be losing our identity running the ball we will enhance it. Flacco is MUCH better in the gun and we should base more of our offense in it to enhance Flacco and our offense overall. We can run a lot of draws and screen in it and keep rice in open space more often and spread them out. I can see our offense improve much better if we go to the shot gun offense.

[usmccharles]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1320096421' post='848414'] ^^^ not sure there is a better way to put it. If you were the only one I would feel better about it but unfortunately that is not the case.[/quote]

Us military guys think alike. I understand you have to mix up an offense, but its not like if we do a gun formation we cant run the ball.

I will say though, there was a 3rd and short i think and we desided to go for a TD pass, very risky, but i liked it. stuff like that is what i like, being unconventional because we are such a bland offense its pretty easy to assume what we will do in most circumstances

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='usmccharles' timestamp='1320098883' post='848464']

Us military guys think alike. I understand you have to mix up an offense, but its not like if we do a gun formation we cant run the ball.

I will say though, there was a 3rd and short i think and we desided to go for a TD pass, very risky, but i liked it. stuff like that is what i like, being unconventional because we are such a bland offense its pretty easy to assume what we will do in most circumstances
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Agreed I love the gutsy calls, fortune favors the bold. That being said there is a fine line between gutsy and stupid and I feel cam toes the wrong side of the line the majority of the time. It is irritating to hear Harbs say once we have to do a better job once, then says we have to play better as if it is the players fault that the play calling sucks, not the greatest of leadership if you ask me.

[TDubbs]

Cams downfall is he is a perfectionist I believe. When he draws up a play and it is executed perfectly it looks like a masterpiece. Ex: Week 2 vs Titans Rices screen play for the 30 yard TD. When the execution is lacking or sloppy the play is a complete failure.

[Milton145]

We should come out opening drive in Pittsburgh with the no huddle.

EDIT- hmm...though let's say Lee Evans is back. Do we still go up temp with him on the field in the no huddle? I don't think LaQuan Williams was on the field much yesterday because of the Pitta and Dickson domination.

[lowrider]

Agreed. Without a doubt. I understand that we can't go away from the run but one of Flacco's main weaknesses is his pocket presence. He has problems knowing where the pressure is coming from, but when he is back in shotgun he can see where it is coming from. Every quarterback has flaws. Brady was shown to struggle under pressure last weak vs the Steelers. But his system helps him overcome his weaknesses because they play to his strengthens. They stack the offensive line and have possession receivers so they can control the clock and move the chains. Cameron needs to stop making Flacco into a certain type of quarterback, see what he does well, and play to his strengthens.

[CapoRocky]

We can run out of the shotgun too. I think that the game plan will be to throw deep and often. Boldin and Smith will shine in Heinz.

[ravensfan2430]

"No huddle shotgun" for president.

[Gordo52]

This is why he should be put in the shotgun....
[url="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fa_GrbdcjY&feature=related"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fa_GrbdcjY&feature=related[/url]

[Raven146]

Can't use a pocket passer when you can not form a pocket.

[Radinho84]

[quote name='Raven146' timestamp='1320150296' post='848934']
Can't use a pocket passer when you can not form a pocket.
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this!

[Radinho84]

[quote name='usmccharles' timestamp='1320095161' post='848383']
well if i know our game plan, its stop doing what works. Every time we put him in the shotgun he makes plays then we go back to the stuff that doesnt work a couple plays later. I think we should continue to let flacco do what he did in that game against the steelers, but if rice doesnt get the ball at LEAST 15 times a game, i will not be too happy. I just dont get what Cam does, everytime something works, we try something else...
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i feel the same way. i think he does´t want to get too predictable. but he is predictable in the way you just said it: if it works you can be sure that we will not keep doing it.

[Mr Boh]

Flacco in the gun all the time is stupid - it takes away the play action pass which is a big strength. It also impacts the running game making it less effective.

[1/28/01]

[quote name='Mr Boh' timestamp='1320160134' post='849075']
Flacco in the gun all the time is stupid - it takes away the play action pass which is a big strength. It also impacts the running game making it less effective.
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Has anyone said it should be [b]all the time[/b]? I havent read that, but he should certainly be in the gun 60-70% of the time, IMO.

[HarleypsychRN]

Although I've always been a Flacco fan...at half time at the Cardinals game..ok I admit it I had a moment of weakness in the darkest of halftimes, I was wondering if Joe was really the guy or had the peaked, should be be sat down to wake him up, etc, etc, etc. Everyone around me there was absolutely shell shocked.

This last game was a character builder. I know people say it should never gotten down to that...blah, blash, blah but it did and this IS the NFL. I know this; Joe Flacco has all the tool necessary... he/they played a fantastic half of football. Beautiful spirals, crisp pin point passes...case closed for me anyway.