Mckinnie

[BenDufusberger]

[quote name='BMORElegacy' timestamp='1320013043' post='846680']
Gurode is a pro-bowl center filling in at guard. Gurode will most likely be our center next year when Birk retires.
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Gurode and McKinnie will both be 33 next year , Birk will be 36. All past their primes , like I said. We need to get younger on the OL. Although I can see Gurode doing a good job for us for another year or so , we need to be looking for the next guy for that position.

[ryanpatt28]

all he cares about is twitter

[rlh445]

[quote name='ryanpatt28' timestamp='1320016254' post='846856']
all he cares about is twitter
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What is he, Le'Ron McClain?

[ryanpatt28]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1320016561' post='846872']

What is he, Le'Ron McClain?
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lol he tweets more in a day than mcclain tweets in a week

[rlh445]

[quote name='ryanpatt28' timestamp='1320016849' post='846887']

lol he tweets more in a day than mcclain tweets in a week
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I always loved making fun of Le'Ron on Twitter. He was a good natured dude about it!

[ghost1986]

Compared to Oher, how many False Starts/Holds has McKinnie had. When they blow the play dead before it starts, I always say "Oh! Oher probably got another False Start" And when I asked about how many penalties McKinnie has had vs Oher, you can't count the "Holding" on Harrison because he just pancaked that sorry excuse of a player.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='BenDufusberger' timestamp='1320014749' post='846780']
Gurode and McKinnie will both be 33 next year , Birk will be 36. All past their primes , like I said. We need to get younger on the OL. Although I can see Gurode doing a good job for us for another year or so , we need to be looking for the next guy for that position.
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Outside of McKinnie and Birk the starting OL is rather young, assuming we hold onto Grubbs. It's known that we need a legitimate LT of the future, but I figure we'll have a good shot at that during the down season we'll have when Ray Lewis leaves.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1320007462' post='846435']

"Learning an offense" is not an excuse for a veteran Pro Bowl LT. He already learned how to block, why is he getting beat so much? [b]Different offenses don't block differently[/b], so why is that a valid excuse? Obviously they have different blocking schemes, but the fundamentals of blocking are all the same.
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That could not be farther from the truth. not only from a technique and philosophical standpoint, but line calls as well as sight adjustments which all swirls into the realm of blocking.

Even as far as base blocking goes there are still different ways that teams do it depending on what they like to create for their RB.

[BenDufusberger]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1320021684' post='847130']


Outside of McKinnie and Birk the starting OL is rather young, assuming we hold onto Grubbs. It's known that we need a legitimate LT of the future, but I figure we'll have a good shot at that during the down season we'll have when Ray Lewis leaves.
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I agree that LT is the highest priority , and the "aging problem" , as I see it , is restricted to the three players I mentioned. It's just that I don't see Mattison as a quality starting center , and I'd like to see our center of the future onboard for a year or two while they can learn from guys like Birk and Gurode. So I'd like to see them fill both those holes - LT and C - in the offseason.

Assuming Grubbs' toe doesn't cripple him for life , I think we're OK at the other spots.

[The Raven]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1320023182' post='847195']

That could not be farther from the truth. not only from a technique and philosophical standpoint, but line calls as well as sight adjustments which all swirls into the realm of blocking.

Even as far as base blocking goes there are still different ways that teams do it depending on what they like to create for their RB.
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You misunderstood what I said, well, I worded it rather poorly. He's just getting beat like a red-headed step child, and using the excuse that "he's learning a new offense" is not valid. I did say that teams have different blocking schemes, but blocking is blocking, and he;s getting beat.

[RavenousBG]

I think Oher has played better at LT but I think he is even better at RT. I think McKinnie is still a step slow or something and it helped when Grubbs was in rather than Gurode. Gurode is still a C learning to play LG. He's a backup. I think if Grubbs gets back, McKinnie will be better.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1320024951' post='847255']

You misunderstood what I said, well, I worded it rather poorly. He's just getting beat like a red-headed step child, and using the excuse that "he's learning a new offense" is not valid. I did say that teams have different blocking schemes, but blocking is blocking, and he;s getting beat.
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Ah well then, we both need to do better. In any event yes he is getting beat, but generally he had grubbs there so he could worry about the inside because he knew grubbs would always make the right decision as who to block ,that is why the steeler's did not get a free rusher on the left side. T

The communication is better and when you have a somebody like grubbs he makes both the center sand the guard better.

And as far as the principles of blocking they have several variations depending on personnel, but it is just natural the netter talent you have around you the better you play, and as a G Gurode sucks, at C I think he is better than Birk but you don't really lose with either.

[jdynamite]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1320007462' post='846435']


"Learning an offense" is not an excuse for a veteran Pro Bowl LT. He already learned how to
block, why is he getting beat so much? Different offenses don't block differently, so why is that a valid excuse? Obviously they have different blocking schemes, but the fundamentals of blocking are all the same.
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He is just beginning to get into playing shape.... Everyone gets beat on speed rushes occasionally.... But having Gurode onside of doesn't help because Gurode hadn't played guard in about 6 yrs. it's been a make shift line with 2 guys learn each others tendencies week to week. Offensive line is more about playing together as a co-hesive unit, being in sync.....
Knowing when to pass and slide coverage of blocks. Oher hasn't gotten as many false starts since he moved back to RT.

[jdynamite]

He's done pretty well considering reports of him being near 400 lbs when Vikings cut him before the first preseason game. Then getting signed by us before ( was it the last preseason game? I don't remember) anyway we basically threw an offensive line together for Week 1 of regular season... If Grubbs were heathy they could be in sync more.

[The Raven]

[quote name='jdynamite' timestamp='1320025366' post='847271']
He is just beginning to get into playing shape.... Everyone gets beat on speed rushes occasionally.... But having Gurode onside of doesn't help because Gurode hadn't played guard in about 6 yrs. it's been a make shift line with 2 guys learn each others tendencies week to week. Offensive line is more about playing together as a co-hesive unit, being in sync.....
Knowing when to pass and slide coverage of blocks. Oher hasn't gotten as many false starts since he moved back to RT.
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That's his fault he's not in playing shape, not a valid excuse in my opinion. And yeah, everyone gets beat on speed rushes occasionally. I get that. But he gets beat consistently by speed rushes. And while Gurode has hurt McKinnie's performance, thats still not an excuse for getting beat this consistently and this bad. There are plenty of situations where McKinnie has not had to worry about his inside gap, and still got beat.

[ball hawkin 20]

he hasn't been that bad. It's mostly been Guore. if he had Grubbs next to him, i think we'd see him doing a lot better of a job

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='BenDufusberger' timestamp='1320023804' post='847216']
I agree that LT is the highest priority , and the "aging problem" , as I see it , is restricted to the three players I mentioned. It's just that I don't see Mattison as a quality starting center , and I'd like to see our center of the future onboard for a year or two while they can learn from guys like Birk and Gurode. So I'd like to see them fill both those holes - LT and C - in the offseason.

Assuming Grubbs' toe doesn't cripple him for life , I think we're OK at the other spots.
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If Brewster has played relatively poorly this season he could fall to the second round or beyond. He was touted as the best Center prospect last year and should be considered an option in the first round as well.

As important as the Ravens defense is to the identity of the team, we're going to have Haloti and Suggs for a long time. I think it'd be more worthwhile to shore up the OL, since we know what Flacco can do when he has time and a solid pocket, considering how the league is continuously shifting to favor the offense. I know that's not going to be a popular opinion around these parts, but I think it's the smartest thing to do.

[tctony]

There should be an option in this poll that they are both garbage... Since the first game, McKinnie has been getting beat like the red headed step-child.

[BmoreRavens732]

I actually rewatch the games to see who gets beat on the line n I can only count a few times where mckinnie got beat...gurode misses assignments n gets beat alot

[1/28/01]

[quote name='BmoreRavens732' timestamp='1320042141' post='847538']
I actually rewatch the games to see who gets beat on the line n I can only count a few times where mckinnie got beat...gurode misses assignments n gets beat alot
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If I recall, both Flacco fumbles, McKinnie was torched. No?

[H8R]

Without question McKinnie has played better then Oher did. Though, that's not saying much.. Oher has been getting abused on the rightside. If this kid keeps it up...he might be a gaurd...

[Npane171]

I think when Grubbs comes back, if he ever does, we'll be a more solid line. From what I've seen on TV, which can't be too much, it looks like Gurode is struggling a lot more and McKinnie is trying his hardest to pick up a bit of his slack right now. McKinnie has a lot on his shoulders, and I hope Grubbs can relieve him when he returns. Gurode is probably a great player, but he isn't a guard. Although the strip sack yesterday was indeed ugly...he just came untouched while McKinnie basically watched. McKinnie did well against the Steelers, I hope he shows up again the way he did week one.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1320007462' post='846435']

[u][i][b]"Learning an offense" is not an excuse for a veteran Pro Bowl LT. He already learned how to block, why is he getting beat so much? [/b][/i][/u]Different offenses don't block differently, so why is that a valid excuse? Obviously they have different blocking schemes, but the fundamentals of blocking are all the same.
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exactly!!

this cat is always getting smoked! smh!

~Mili

[The Raven]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1320069836' post='847745']
Without question McKinnie has played better then Oher did. Though, that's not saying much.. Oher has been getting abused on the rightside. [b]If this kid keeps it up...he might be a gaurd...[/b]
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I've actually said this before. Honestly, I think he'd be better off at guard. Unfortunately for him, we already have 2 above average or elite guards.

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1320097695' post='848442']

exactly!!

this cat is always getting smoked! smh!

~Mili
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Exactly! I thought he was a pro bowler? Smh.

[Reed the Raven]

It isn't Bryant McKinnie that is playing bad, it is Andre Gurode that is playing horrible and all blitzes going between the LT and LG, LG and C because Bryant McKinnie isn't in sync with Andre Gurode (learning a new position) and Matt Birk isn't as good as he used to be and isn't in sync with Andre Gurode for the same reason.

[gabefergy]

How about "they both are equally bad as LTs". McKinnie has been OK, but not really much of an upgrade over Oher IMO. I agree that it helps our line out though as Oher is a much better RT than Reid right now. McKinnie just has very poor lateral quickness. He seems to get beat by the speed rush, but he is large enough to swallow up power-rushers. Oher is kind of the opposite as he has better quickness, but struggled against technique and power rushers.

[CapoRocky]

[quote name='RavenousBG' timestamp='1320025045' post='847261']
I think Oher has played better at LT but I think he is even better at RT. I think McKinnie is still a step slow or something and it helped when Grubbs was in rather than Gurode. Gurode is still a C learning to play LG. He's a backup. I think if Grubbs gets back, McKinnie will be better.
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This is a very wise observation. The loss of Grubbs, a true guard, has been the key to the tackle problem. Grubbs helped to pull and open up gaps for Rice to run through. He needs to have that initial burst to break long runs. Yanda hasn't been as good without Grubbs either. As we learned with Ogden, toe injuries can be devastating to a career. The Ravens are wise not to rush Grubbs back. Still, we need both Grubbs and Evans healthy before we take on the Steelers on Sunday night or it may be another beatdown on national TV.

[da#1ravensfan]

I think they are equally as good on the left side and the right but oher is more athletic though

[BmoreRavens732]

Nah mckinnies fine y'all it's def gurode that gets beat or whatever big Mack gets into trouble cuz he gets caught trying to clean gurodes mess up

[Raven146]

McKinnie's is doing the same thing everyone on the OL is doing , they are planting their feet and shoving their men, those guys are just adjusting to the shove and running around them. They are not holding their blocks and moving with their men. Our OL is getting beat at the line on our snap count. McKinnie had a great first game, and has been going down hill every since. McKinnie recovered the fumble , why because it was his man that caused it.