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[flynismo]

All these Flacco / Tyrod threads are an embarrassment. Scratch that, the comments made in those threads are an embarrassment.


Here are some of the gems I have come across, and my response to them:


1. What makes you think Tyrod cant come in and jump start the offense?

Besides the obvious -- Tyrod is a 6th round rookie who stunk it up in preseason -- the lack of common sense is stunning.
You are not handed anything in the NFL, especially not when you are a 6th rounder. You want a shot to start? You have to EARN that shot. Outplay Flacco in practice. Until that happens, we have to assume that Tyrod will play exactly as how we would expect a 6th round rookie QB would play.

While we are talking about Flacco (again), I would like you guys who want Flacco out of here to answer me this.

When our WR are getting called out in public (see Rodney Harrison's comment in a segment about TO coming here) for not getting open and doing their jobs, when Ray Rice is playing poorly against decent defenses (and every week seems to let a Flacco pass bounce off his hands for an incompletion), when our OL is playing the way it is -- what do you expect the results to be with any other QB here? If we traded Flacco for Vick, Schaub, Romo, Eli...do you SERIOUSLY think they could do any better in an environment where NONE of the supporting cast is consistently doing their jobs?

2. Tyrod's mobility makes him a better option for our offense.


This is so stupid that I'll leave it to you to laugh and move on.
Btw, only Roethlisberger can extend a play as well as Flacco does, IMO.


3. My faith is shaken in the team because of Monday night.

Really? I wonder if Pats fans felt the same way after that embarrassment against BUF, or if Steelers fans feel that way every time they lose to some scrub team that they should have beaten (which happens quite more than you'd think).

4. I'm tired of the excuses for Flacco.

Reality check -- its not an excuse if it is true. It is not an excuse to be upset that Boldin does not get open nearly enough, or that Dickson cant hold onto a pass if he is being defended, or that our OL lets a LB come in untouched, or that our running game is just as much to blame for our offensive struggles (looking at you Rice. Fumble the ball on the one?? Letting a pass goes straight through your hands to the turf??
Averaging 2-something yards per carry against decent defenses??)

which leads me to my final point. If you cant acknowledge that Flacco is getting no help, and NO QB can do it all on his own and spread the blame around where it belongs, then get off Flacco's [i]<back>,[/i] because you have no clue.


I dont expect my thoughts to change anything -- as a whole, we act like this after every single loss -- but at least show some common sense when you are venting.


Rant over..

[Romo Ravens]

Just like when you showed some common sense when you made that thread aplogizing to Cam Cameron because he called a good game against the Steelers? Look what's going on now.

[codizzle]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1319831604' post='842347']
Just like when you showed some common sense when you made that thread aplogizing to Cam Cameron because he called a good game against the Steelers? Look what's going on now.
[/quote]
cam called a great game against pitt.. Seems like he thought that was the onky team we are playing this year

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1319831779' post='842353']
cam called a great game against pitt.. Seems like he thought that was the onky team we are playing this year
[/quote]

Exactly. So frustrating.

[FerrariFan87]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1319831779' post='842353']
cam called a great game against pitt.. Seems like he thought that was the onky team we are playing this year
[/quote]
[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1319831818' post='842355']

Exactly. So frustrating.
[/quote]

Helps when you've played a team so much.... and had 9 months to prepare.

[PuRock]

Good Post Fly. But common sense has slowly been dying in the human race. It's very sad. This is sort of expected with shorter attention spans.

The movie 'Idiocracy' is coming true.

[bpytnjr58]

Tyrod Taylor is not the long term fix on anything....He may have come in and ran some plays to to make their defense adjust their scheme somewhat or he may have gone in there and and tanked it worse. Flacco is "the guy" but the way things were going on monday night just a little offense would have been enough to win.

[True]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1319831241' post='842331']
which leads me to my final point. If you cant acknowledge that Flacco is getting no help, and NO QB can do it all on his own and spread the blame around where it belongs, then get off Flacco's nuts, because you have no clue.
[/quote]
Sorry, Joe Flacco isn't off limits. When he does good, I acknowledge it, and when he stinks it up I'm going to criticize him too. I'm not going to keep constantly blaming everyone else and leave Flacco alone.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1319831241' post='842331']
4. I'm tired of the excuses for Flacco.

Reality check -- its not an excuse if it is true. It is not an excuse to be upset that Boldin does not get open nearly enough, or that Dickson cant hold onto a pass if he is being defended, or that our OL lets a LB come in untouched, or that our running game is just as much to blame for our offensive struggles (looking at you Rice. Fumble the ball on the one?? Letting a pass goes straight through your hands to the turf??
Averaging 2-something yards per carry against decent defenses??)

which leads me to my final point. If you cant acknowledge that Flacco is getting no help, and NO QB can do it all on his own and spread the blame around where it belongs, then get off Flacco's nuts, because you have no clue.


I dont expect my thoughts to change anything -- as a whole, we act like this after every single loss -- but at least show some common sense when you are venting.


Rant over..
[/quote]


Everything but this one fly.

Sometimes you have to make your own breaks. Flacco has not had all the help in the world but in todays game it only takes 3 or 4 passes to change the scape of the game from a defense perspective, and even in Jax which was an all around disaster for the offense there were still opportunities that could have made a difference and he did not. Not saying it is all Flacco but he definitely has not helped himself out at all.

He may be not be getting help again but I have also seen a few opportunities where he could have ran and made the first down which may have slowed the pass rush down enough to get a couple seconds for coverages to break down if he would have tucked it a few times and showed he is more mobile than he is clumsy.

Other than that spot on, but the Flacco needs to take a que from Bon Jovi and "dont bend, dont break, dont back down" "sometimes you gotta make your own break."

[757RavensFan]

Fly - Doesn't your post just pour more fuel on the "Joe debate" fire?

[thrash5]

Something better shake

[T-ray]

Actually, the point I don't agree with is a pretty simple one. Flacco is not the number 2 Qb at extending plays; that honor goes to Rodgers. Every time Rodgers drops back, it seems like he has pressure in his face. Heck one year he got sacked 50 times lol. Read that again; 50! And he still put up gaudy numbers. Sure, his supporting cast is to thank for some stuff; I'll agree. But you have to be able to get the ball out to the supporting cast in order for them to make plays for you as a Qb. So in that, Rodgers is numero dos.

And besides this, I think you're pretty well spot on. Flacco does have his inconsistency/mental mistakes, nothing you say will take that away. But he's not as putrid as haters tend to make him out to be. I want to see a year with a different, much more flexible OC (wouldn't take much to be much more flexible lol) before I can call him below average. Right now, I'd call him slightly above average.

[redrum52]

Fly, no problem with you. Actually, before I start, my teacher use to say "If common sense is so common, why is it so hard to find?". Much truth to that statement. Part 1, people could argue that Flacco didn't exactly earn his spot his rookie season, with Boller injured and Smith sick. 2 sort of makes sense in which the if the pocket collapses he has the speed to break away and the option to atleast try to run. The diminished faith in the team could stem from as inconsistent as the team has been these offensive problems has happened before though not to this extent. Brady throwing 4 picks doesnt happen 3-4 times a season while our offense has already had 3 poor performance, though some were against good teams you still need to find a way to be productive. For the last topic on Flacco excuses people do often try anything they can to defend. Ive congratulated him on good days and critiqued him on bad. He said he wanted more responsibility so with that role you accept more blame when things like this happened. Sometimes it is just him taking to long to make reads sometimes its the line but many times it seems when you criticize him people think you hate the man and maybe vice versa. You cant keep using the oline excuse when people like Big Ben and Bradford have TERRIBLE o lines but still make plays happen. Also, Bradford has NO HELP at wr. You know what you have and you need to make it work. Back on the Tyrod topic, I don't think people want him starting, just coming in when Joes stinking up the joint like he was vs the Jags cause NOTHING else seemed to be working early.

[wayne]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1319831241' post='842331']
All these Flacco / Tyrod threads are an embarrassment. Scratch that, the comments made in those threads are an embarrassment.


Here are some of the gems I have come across, and my response to them:


1. What makes you think Tyrod cant come in and jump start the offense?

Besides the obvious -- Tyrod is a 6th round rookie who stunk it up in preseason -- the lack of common sense is stunning.
You are not handed anything in the NFL, especially not when you are a 6th rounder. You want a shot to start? You have to EARN that shot. Outplay Flacco in practice. Until that happens, we have to assume that Tyrod will play exactly as how we would expect a 6th round rookie QB would play.

While we are talking about Flacco (again), I would like you guys who want Flacco out of here to answer me this.

When our WR are getting called out in public (see Rodney Harrison's comment in a segment about TO coming here) for not getting open and doing their jobs, when Ray Rice is playing poorly against decent defenses (and every week seems to let a Flacco pass bounce off his hands for an incompletion), when our OL is playing the way it is -- what do you expect the results to be with any other QB here? If we traded Flacco for Vick, Schaub, Romo, Eli...do you SERIOUSLY think they could do any better in an environment where NONE of the supporting cast is consistently doing their jobs?

2. Tyrod's mobility makes him a better option for our offense.


This is so stupid that I'll leave it to you to laugh and move on.
Btw, only Roethlisberger can extend a play as well as Flacco does, IMO.


3. My faith is shaken in the team because of Monday night.

Really? I wonder if Pats fans felt the same way after that embarrassment against BUF, or if Steelers fans feel that way every time they lose to some scrub team that they should have beaten (which happens quite more than you'd think).

4. I'm tired of the excuses for Flacco.

Reality check -- its not an excuse if it is true. It is not an excuse to be upset that Boldin does not get open nearly enough, or that Dickson cant hold onto a pass if he is being defended, or that our OL lets a LB come in untouched, or that our running game is just as much to blame for our offensive struggles (looking at you Rice. Fumble the ball on the one?? Letting a pass goes straight through your hands to the turf??
Averaging 2-something yards per carry against decent defenses??)

which leads me to my final point. If you cant acknowledge that Flacco is getting no help, and NO QB can do it all on his own and spread the blame around where it belongs, then get off Flacco's nuts, because you have no clue.


I dont expect my thoughts to change anything -- as a whole, we act like this after every single loss -- but at least show some common sense when you are venting.


Rant over..
[/quote]

Sorry but if Vick, Shaub, Romo...... played for this team, hell yea I think they can do better. You gus act like with other teams, everything is laid ot perfectly for the QBs. They are faced with some of the same problems Joe is faced with, some have even more problems. No one said it was going to be perfect or easy for Flacco but the good QBs still find a way through the muck.

[flynismo]

[quote name='757RavensFan' timestamp='1319832796' post='842370']Fly - Doesn't your post just pour more fuel on the &quot;Joe debate&quot; fire?[/quote]


its not intended to, it's simply trying to point out the crazy things that get said in the whole debate.

I'm all for criticising a guy for not getting it done -- no one is exempt from that -- but instead of looking at the big picture, people take the easy way out and put it all on one guy.

[PeRK82]

Huh, what do you mean he stunk it up, did he mess up a few plays, uhh yea. But you cant say he stunk, I think he did pretty dam good if you ask me. He was always looking down the field and running with the ball was the last thing he would do. But you cant say 6th rookie cant come in a spark the team. And we know why, im not going to bring it up unless you dont know what im talking about.

But anyways, i m in no way saying we should or shouldnt bench Flacco just yet, I think the O line needs to be fixed and after rewatching the Game. Alot of the O line Problems was Gurode, i cant tell you how many times he missed his man. On one play he completely miss his assignment and was 5 yrds up the field waiting for a LB to rush, which never happened, Mckinney missed a few but it was clearly Gurode.
I really cant wait for Grubbs to come back, never knew how much of a difference he can and could of made a diff.

[Free Agent]

[quote name='codizzle' timestamp='1319831779' post='842353']
cam called a great game against pitt.. Seems like he thought that was the onky team we are playing this year
[/quote]
And then the offense laid eggs against the Titans and Jags. Our problem is we play down to the competition.

[flynismo]

[quote name='Romo Ravens' timestamp='1319831604' post='842347']Just like when you showed some common sense when you made that thread aplogizing to Cam Cameron because he called a good game against the Steelers? Look what's going on now.[/quote]



and what exactly is going on now? Cam called a bs game against Jax? So? Nice to see that you still cant comprehend that I prefer to give credit when it is due, and 4 out of 6 games this year, I think Cam did very well.

But that is off topic. How about addressing what I brought up in this thread instead?

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='Free Agent' timestamp='1319834046' post='842411']
And then the offense laid eggs against the Titans and Jags. [b]Our problem is we play down to the competition.[/b]
[/quote]

Which we never do or have done. Something needs to change and fast. I dont mean to say lash out and kick the dog, but damn.

[wayne]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1319834221' post='842417']




and what exactly is going on now? Cam called a bs game against Jax? So? Nice to see that you still cant comprehend that I prefer to give credit when it is due, and 4 out of 6 games this year, I think Cam did very well.

But that is off topic. How about addressing what I brought up in this thread instead?
[/quote]

Can you address what I said earlier?

[flynismo]

[quote name='True' timestamp='1319832015' post='842361']

Sorry, Joe Flacco isn't off limits. When he does good, I acknowledge it, and when he stinks it up I'm going to criticize him too. I'm not going to keep constantly blaming everyone else and leave Flacco alone.
[/quote]


i dont want anyone to leave Flacco alone -- I just want people to understand that absolutely no one is helping Flacco out, other than Torrey. It's not as if people are making all these great plays, and Flacco finds a way to still screw things up. Spread the heat around, not just all on Flacco

[flynismo]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1319832263' post='842362']


Everything but this one fly.

Sometimes you have to make your own breaks. Flacco has not had all the help in the world but in todays game it only takes 3 or 4 passes to change the scape of the game from a defense perspective, and even in Jax which was an all around disaster for the offense there were still opportunities that could have made a difference and he did not. Not saying it is all Flacco but he definitely has not helped himself out at all.

He may be not be getting help again but I have also seen a few opportunities where he could have ran and made the first down which may have slowed the pass rush down enough to get a couple seconds for coverages to break down if he would have tucked it a few times and showed he is more mobile than he is clumsy.

Other than that spot on, but the Flacco needs to take a que from Bon Jovi and &quot;dont bend, dont break, dont back down&quot; &quot;sometimes you gotta make your own break.&quot;[/quote]



no one can deny that Flacco needs to step things up himself -- he's made some bad throws and decisions that is all on him. He certainly does need to be his own best friend more often, especially when the rest of our offense is playing the way it is.

He just needs some kind of help; it doesnt matter how perfect his throws to Boldin in the end zone are if Boldin cant keep his feet in bounds or he drops the ball (for example)

[Guest RBates]

Worst thread this year. Here ill give you another reply, you will need it.

[Romo Ravens]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1319834221' post='842417']
and what exactly is going on now? Cam called a bs game against Jax? So? Nice to see that you still cant comprehend that I prefer to give credit when it is due, and 4 out of 6 games this year, I think Cam did very well.

But that is off topic. How about addressing what I brought up in this thread instead?
[/quote]

You're calling out the people who want to play Tyrod and saying that they lack common sense. I'm not one of those people, but I just think it's funny that you hop on the Cam Cameron bandwagon after one game, then he makes everyone look stupid the next game against the Titans. But I wouldn't expect you to say you were wrong. I won't give credit to a man who sucks at his job.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1319834891' post='842436']
no one can deny that Flacco needs to step things up himself -- he's made some bad throws and decisions that is all on him. He certainly does need to be his own best friend more often, especially when the rest of our offense is playing the way it is.

He just needs some kind of help; it doesnt matter how perfect his throws to Boldin in the end zone are if Boldin cant keep his feet in bounds or he drops the ball (for example)
[/quote]

Yeah he definitely could get more help that is without question. I have seen a few openings that he could have definitely made in teh jax granted they were limited but who knows a ten yard completion and cundiff makes it...or maybe not but who knows.

I think the biggest irritation some has is once he again he gave it away at the end. In that situation throwing it away stops the clock still and you dont throw the pick.

But yeah I smell what you are stepping in

[flynismo]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1319833445' post='842392']Fly, no problem with you. Actually, before I start, my teacher use to say &quot;If common sense is so common, why is it so hard to find?&quot;. Much truth to that statement. Part 1, people could argue that Flacco didn't exactly earn his spot his rookie season, with Boller injured and Smith sick. 2 sort of makes sense in which the if the pocket collapses he has the speed to break away and the option to atleast try to run. The diminished faith in the team could stem from as inconsistent as the team has been these offensive problems has happened before though not to this extent. Brady throwing 4 picks doesnt happen 3-4 times a season while our offense has already had 3 poor performance, though some were against good teams you still need to find a way to be productive. For the last topic on Flacco excuses people do often try anything they can to defend. Ive congratulated him on good days and critiqued him on bad. He said he wanted more responsibility so with that role you accept more blame when things like this happened. Sometimes it is just him taking to long to make reads sometimes its the line but many times it seems when you criticize him people think you hate the man and maybe vice versa. You cant keep using the oline excuse when people like Big Ben and Bradford have TERRIBLE o lines but still make plays happen. Also, Bradford has NO HELP at wr. You know what you have and you need to make it work. Back on the Tyrod topic, I don't think people want him starting, just coming in when Joes stinking up the joint like he was vs the Jags cause NOTHING else seemed to be working early.[/quote]


this was one of few thought out responses against Flacco, so I will try to respond in kind.

You bring up the "OLINE excuse". And you mention Bradford. Bradford is in the same situation as Flacco -- very true indeed. And Bradford is playing horribly...he proves my point more than he does yours.

Roethlisberger is a freak of nature, it's not reasonable to expect anyone to play as well as he does with such a poor line (and as we see fairly often, Ben has more than his share of bad games as well).

But guys like Brady, Rivers, Brees, Manning, etc all have an OL. Some people even make the (foolish) claim that Brady is only as good as he is because of that OL he has.

My point is simply that "games are won and lost in the trenches". QB rarely play well with poor pass pro, unless the rest of the guys pick up the slack ... And I dont see Boldin/Rice/Dickson picking up the slack the OL creates

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

Peytons o lline has been d-o d-o for a long time but he is the exception he gets the ball out so fast it is almost pointless to blitz him. but that is a rarity

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1319833970' post='842409']
Huh, what do you mean he stunk it up, did he mess up a few plays, uhh yea. But you cant say he stunk, I think he did pretty dam good if you ask me. He was always looking down the field and running with the ball was the last thing he would do. But you cant say 6th rookie cant come in a spark the team. And we know why, im not going to bring it up unless you dont know what im talking about.

But anyways, i m in no way saying we should or shouldnt bench Flacco just yet, I think the O line needs to be fixed and after rewatching the Game. Alot of the O line Problems was Gurode, i cant tell you how many times he missed his man. On one play he completely miss his assignment and was 5 yrds up the field waiting for a LB to rush, which never happened, Mckinney missed a few but it was clearly Gurode.
I really cant wait for Grubbs to come back, never knew how much of a difference he can and could of made a diff.
[/quote]

Are you talking about Brady? You do know he was in his [i]second[/i] season in New England when he took over, right? And he played in one game, not as the starter either, in his first season? And he had the benefit of 2 full offseasons of reps?

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1319837861' post='842492']

Are you talking about Brady? You do know he was in his [i]second[/i] season in New England when he took over, right? And he played in one game, not as the starter either, in his first season? And he had the benefit of 2 full offseasons of reps?
[/quote]

I think Brady is the only one that fits the bill for the modern era, instead of the 14 round drafts years ago.

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='flynismo' timestamp='1319831241' post='842331']
All these Flacco / Tyrod threads are an embarrassment. Scratch that, the comments made in those threads are an embarrassment.


Here are some of the gems I have come across, and my response to them:


1. What makes you think Tyrod cant come in and jump start the offense?

Besides the obvious -- Tyrod is a 6th round rookie who stunk it up in preseason -- the lack of common sense is stunning.
You are not handed anything in the NFL, especially not when you are a 6th rounder. You want a shot to start? You have to EARN that shot. Outplay Flacco in practice. Until that happens, we have to assume that Tyrod will play exactly as how we would expect a 6th round rookie QB would play.

While we are talking about Flacco (again), I would like you guys who want Flacco out of here to answer me this.

When our WR are getting called out in public (see Rodney Harrison's comment in a segment about TO coming here) for not getting open and doing their jobs, when Ray Rice is playing poorly against decent defenses (and every week seems to let a Flacco pass bounce off his hands for an incompletion), when our OL is playing the way it is -- what do you expect the results to be with any other QB here? If we traded Flacco for Vick, Schaub, Romo, Eli...do you SERIOUSLY think they could do any better in an environment where NONE of the supporting cast is consistently doing their jobs?

2. Tyrod's mobility makes him a better option for our offense.


This is so stupid that I'll leave it to you to laugh and move on.
Btw, only Roethlisberger can extend a play as well as Flacco does, IMO.


3. My faith is shaken in the team because of Monday night.

Really? I wonder if Pats fans felt the same way after that embarrassment against BUF, or if Steelers fans feel that way every time they lose to some scrub team that they should have beaten (which happens quite more than you'd think).

4. I'm tired of the excuses for Flacco.

Reality check -- its not an excuse if it is true. It is not an excuse to be upset that Boldin does not get open nearly enough, or that Dickson cant hold onto a pass if he is being defended, or that our OL lets a LB come in untouched, or that our running game is just as much to blame for our offensive struggles (looking at you Rice. Fumble the ball on the one?? Letting a pass goes straight through your hands to the turf??
Averaging 2-something yards per carry against decent defenses??)

which leads me to my final point. If you cant acknowledge that Flacco is getting no help, and NO QB can do it all on his own and spread the blame around where it belongs, then get off Flacco's nuts, because you have no clue.


I dont expect my thoughts to change anything -- as a whole, we act like this after every single loss -- but at least show some common sense when you are venting.


Rant over..
[/quote]

[b][i]Where's the common sense? Roethlisberger is the ONLY quarterback who can extend a play better than Flacco? [/i][/b]

REALLY? Aaron Rodgers, Michael Vick, Cam Newton, Tom Brady, Josh Freeman... all of these quarterbacks have much better pocket presence and extend plays better than Flacco. And I only named a few. There are plenty more.

[b][i]Tyrod played horrible in the preseason? (Did Flacco look good in preseason? He sure didn't to me!)[/i][/b]

How? For a rookie with absolutely no offseason, I thought he looked very composed. The Ravens didn't feel the need to sign a veteran(and there were plenty available). So if you trust the Ravens decision to be so loyal and insist Flacco is the present and future, then you have to trust their judgement that Tyrod is good enough to be the guy if Flacco were to go down with an injury.

[i][b]How can you lose faith after one game?[/b][/i]

First of all, it's not just the Monday night game. It's most of the season with exception of the St. Louis game. The offense is underperforming. Secondly... you ask if you think the Steelers fans lose hope after horrible losses to horrible teams? YES, I do think they feel that way. But you know what gives them that hope right back? Knowing Flacco will not take the Ravens and extend that lead and reassure a division crown. As long as Ravens offense plays like they do, Steelers fans know they always have a chance.

[i][b]Tired of the excuses?[/b][/i]

They're not excuses if they are true, you say? Okay... it's the offensive line, the playcalling, the receivers, and the running backs. Fine... if you want to blame the entire rest of the team... I can't convince you otherwise. But, can you honestly tell me Cam Newton's line, receivers, or basically anything else on the Panthers... is better than what the Ravens have? No, you can't. And he looks so much better than Flacco does. Even Tebow looks like he knows how to run an offense better. Good quarterbacks make the rest of their team look good. Bad quarterbacks make the rest of their team look bad. You'll keep making excuses, and obviously you'll keep believing them, but they are still excuses. They've already changed out the receivers twice over. How many more times can you use the SAME excuse? I mean, at least put your name to an actual receiver that you feel is worthy of catching passes from the mighty Flacco. Or tell us which offensive lineman the Ravens should get that is worth of blocking for him. That way if they do end up getting that receiver or lineman, and they still improve the offense.... then you can no longer use that excuse. So please, tell us you weren't one of those people who said we need to get Boldin, and we need to get rid of Derrick Mason. Please tell us you weren't one of the people saying we need to get a deep threat like Lee Evans or Torrey Smith. Because that's what the Ravens did, and the offense still isn't performing.