Here's Some Numbers For You

[scrock]

Everyone hates on Joe and wants someone better, well here are some numbers to think about

Philip Rivers one of the few ELITE QBs in the league, he has 9 INTs to 8 TDs

The Great Josh Freeman who was supposed to be the next best thing has 10 INTs and 7 TDs

Matt Ryan 8 INTs, 9 TDs

Michael Vick 8 INTs, 9 TDs

and Tom Brady, Romo, Brees, have all had games this year where they threw for 3 to 4 INTs

The Ravens offense was the 4th highest scoring in the league until that debacle on Monday Night. Hopefully this will be a wake up call and they will finally take all that talent they have and use it!!!!

Ed Dickson and Dennis Pitta need to be more involved in the game plan.

We need to establish Boldin early in games, continue to force the issue down field

....but most importantly this OL needs to start playing better, what happened to running the ball better this year? Every week we are steadily dropping in rush yards per game. It's like we're stalling or something.

There is too much talent on this team to fail like that crap that happened Monday.

Joe can be a really good QB but he needs help, yeah his numbers are down this year. Its to be expected when you only have 1 WR you have experience with, 2 2nd year TEs who dont get many looks, Ray Rice is the majority of our offense, Lee Evans is hurt, he's dealing with 3 other rookie WRs....now maybe things will start clicking and he can make up some ground but to think he's going to have his best year this year is asking too much.

I think next year with more time to develop chemistry with these new guys the offense will be really good. We have all the pieces, we just lack the consistency. Whether Cam is a part of that or not I don't know...it all depends on how much better we get this year, imo Cam needs to develop his system to fit his players not the other way around.

.....okay, thats my last rant for today

[bpytnjr58]

I think something is up in San Diego as far as Rivers and the game plan...Definitely not one of his best years. Cameron was called out on NFL Radio this morning as a "Dictator" and will not listen to any suggestions....The offense starts and ends with him.

[scrock]

[quote name='bpytnjr58' timestamp='1319821990' post='842162']
I think something is up in San Diego as far as Rivers and the game plan...Definitely not one of his best years. Cameron was called out on NFL Radio this morning as a "Dictator" and will not listen to any suggestions....The offense starts and ends with him.
[/quote]

I think the only reason he was kept around was because of the lockout, it would have been tough to hire someone new and install a new offense in such a short period of time.

I'd bet he is gone after this season and someone will come in and break this offense open, we have so many weapons its not even funny. We can match up with any team offensively in the league.

[bpytnjr58]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1319822143' post='842165']

I think the only reason he was kept around was because of the lockout, it would have been tough to hire someone new and install a new offense in such a short period of time.

I'd bet he is gone after this season and someone will come in and break this offense open, we have so many weapons its not even funny. We can match up with any team offensively in the league.
[/quote]
I agree...Bringing a new OC in after the lock out would have been sensless. I do not think even another Wild Card seeding will save him. This team is too talented this year for anything less the the divison title.

[keebl3rs]

No way were we the 4th highest scoring [b]offense[/b] in the league. We may have been the 4th highest score team due to in large part those defensive TDs. You sure about that?

[Alexir]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1319821664' post='842158']
Everyone hates on Joe and wants someone better, well here are some numbers to think about

Philip Rivers one of the few ELITE QBs in the league, he has 9 INTs to 8 TDs

The Great Josh Freeman who was supposed to be the next best thing has 10 INTs and 7 TDs

Matt Ryan 8 INTs, 9 TDs

Michael Vick 8 INTs, 9 TDs

and Tom Brady, Romo, Brees, have all had games this year where they threw for 3 to 4 INTs

The Ravens offense was the [b]4th highest scoring [/b]in the league until that debacle on Monday Night. Hopefully this will be a wake up call and they will finally take all that talent they have and use it!!!!

Ed Dickson and Dennis Pitta need to be more involved in the game plan.

We need to establish Boldin early in games, continue to force the issue down field

....but most importantly this OL needs to start playing better, what happened to running the ball better this year? Every week we are steadily dropping in rush yards per game. It's like we're stalling or something.

There is too much talent on this team to fail like that crap that happened Monday.

Joe can be a really good QB but he needs help, yeah his numbers are down this year. Its to be expected when you only have 1 WR you have experience with, 2 2nd year TEs who dont get many looks, Ray Rice is the majority of our offense, Lee Evans is hurt, he's dealing with 3 other rookie WRs....now maybe things will start clicking and he can make up some ground but to think he's going to have his best year this year is asking too much.

I think next year with more time to develop chemistry with these new guys the offense will be really good. We have all the pieces, we just lack the consistency. Whether Cam is a part of that or not I don't know...it all depends on how much better we get this year, imo Cam needs to develop his system to fit his players not the other way around.

.....okay, thats my last rant for today
[/quote]

To be fair, the defense scored a lot of those points. Subtract the pick 6's and scoop 6's and then see where they are.

[hawkprey]

[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1319828450' post='842287']

To be fair, the defense scored a lot of those points. Subtract the pick 6's and scoop 6's and then see where they are.
[/quote]

Every team has defense and special teams that score points. Also, our offense has played the toughest defensive schedule of any team (I think, I'm not gonna figure it out for every team).

[usmccharles]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1319822143' post='842165'] I think the only reason he was kept around was because of the lockout, it would have been tough to hire someone new and install a new offense in such a short period of time. I'd bet he is gone after this season and someone will come in and break this offense open, we have so many weapons its not even funny. [b]We can match up with any team offensively in the league[/b].[/quote]

I highly disagree. as much as i love our team, Ray rice is the only elite player we have on offense. Joes is a 10-15 qb at best, hes not consistent. Our OL is pretty rough right now and our WRs have problems getting seperation, expect for smith. Sure we are alot more stacked then other teams on offense, but to match up to ANY team, i dont think so....

[redrum52]

Posted before and will post again. Flacco to me now can post the worst numbers during the regular season as long as we are winning and his numbers improve during the post, not the other way around which its been.

Here are some numbers people tend to shy away from when mentioning Flacco.
Post Season
08- 50.8 rating 44% Comp 5.8 YPA 1 TD 3 INTS through 3 games.
09- 39.4 rating 53.3% Comp % 4.96 YPA 0 TDS 3 INTSthrough 2 games.
10- 90 rating 64.06% Comp 6.1 YPA 3 TDS 1 INT through 2 games.

Most importantly 10 divisional game 61.1 rating 16/30 125 yards 4.2 YPA 1 TD1 INT. Let's also not forget running out of bounds instead of throwing the ball away.

As much as I hope he succeeds he hasn't proven himself when the team has needed him most and seems to get worse when the pressure is on. Its sad to say but I expected the Jags game to end in a pick if we didn't recover the onsides kick.

[Ray Ray Ravens]

Thats funny because I said yesterday that you cant lead a team if you have a dictator on the sideline.
[quote name='bpytnjr58' timestamp='1319821990' post='842162']
I think something is up in San Diego as far as Rivers and the game plan...Definitely not one of his best years. Cameron was called out on NFL Radio this morning as a "Dictator" and will not listen to any suggestions....The offense starts and ends with him.
[/quote]

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1319822143' post='842165']

I think the only reason he was kept around was because of the lockout, it would have been tough to hire someone new and install a new offense in such a short period of time.

I'd bet he is gone after this season and someone will come in and break this offense open, we have so many weapons its not even funny. We can match up with any team offensively in the league.
[/quote]

I definitely agree with you on your first comment but I would be a little hesitant to say we match up as well as any team in the league offensively. I don't think we have a true number one receiver right now. Boldin is good but is declining and vanishes at times. Plus, Flacco isn't the caliber of QB who makes everyone around him look better like Rodgers, Brady and Manning do. We definitely have the potential to do so much better than we are now though and I fully expect to see it happen if (hopefully when) Cam gets fired.

[Free Agent]

Definitely agree. I dont KNOW what the problem was Monday night, although I strongly believe it was mostly the playcalling. Regardless, it is time to move on, fix the problems, and get back on track with a resounding win over the Cardinals.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1319821664' post='842158']
Everyone hates on Joe and wants someone better, well here are some numbers to think about

Philip Rivers one of the few ELITE QBs in the league, he has 9 INTs to 8 TDs

The Great Josh Freeman who was supposed to be the next best thing has 10 INTs and 7 TDs

Matt Ryan 8 INTs, 9 TDs

Michael Vick 8 INTs, 9 TDs

and Tom Brady, Romo, Brees, have all had games this year where they threw for 3 to 4 INTs

The Ravens offense was the 4th highest scoring in the league until that debacle on Monday Night. Hopefully this will be a wake up call and they will finally take all that talent they have and use it!!!!

Ed Dickson and Dennis Pitta need to be more involved in the game plan.

We need to establish Boldin early in games, continue to force the issue down field

....but most importantly this OL needs to start playing better, what happened to running the ball better this year? Every week we are steadily dropping in rush yards per game. It's like we're stalling or something.

There is too much talent on this team to fail like that crap that happened Monday.

[b]Joe can be a really good QB but he needs help, yeah his numbers are down this year. Its to be expected when you only have 1 WR you have experience with, 2 2nd year TEs who dont get many looks, Ray Rice is the majority of our offense, Lee Evans is hurt, he's dealing with 3 other rookie WRs....now maybe things will start clicking and he can make up some ground but to think he's going to have his best year this year is asking too much.[/b]

[b]I think next year with more time to develop chemistry with these new guys the offense will be really good. We have all the pieces, we just lack the consistency. Whether Cam is a part of that or not I don't know...it all depends on how much better we get this year, imo Cam needs to develop his system to fit his players not the other way around.[/b]

.....okay, thats my last rant for today
[/quote]
So what is Cam Newton's problem? He has a whole team that is new to him. No more excuses.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1319821664' post='842158']
Everyone hates on Joe and wants someone better, well here are some numbers to think about

[b]Philip Rivers one of the few ELITE QBs in the league, he has 9 INTs to 8 TDs[/b]

[b]The Great Josh Freeman who was supposed to be the next best thing has 10 INTs and 7 TDs[/b]

[b]Matt Ryan 8 INTs, 9 TDs[/b]

Michael Vick 8 INTs, 9 TDs

and Tom Brady, Romo, Brees, have all had games this year where they threw for 3 to 4 INTs

The Ravens offense was the 4th highest scoring in the league until that debacle on Monday Night. Hopefully this will be a wake up call and they will finally take all that talent they have and use it!!!!

Ed Dickson and Dennis Pitta need to be more involved in the game plan.

We need to establish Boldin early in games, continue to force the issue down field

....but most importantly this OL needs to start playing better, what happened to running the ball better this year? Every week we are steadily dropping in rush yards per game. It's like we're stalling or something.

There is too much talent on this team to fail like that crap that happened Monday.

Joe can be a really good QB but he needs help, yeah his numbers are down this year. Its to be expected when you only have 1 WR you have experience with, 2 2nd year TEs who dont get many looks, Ray Rice is the majority of our offense, Lee Evans is hurt, he's dealing with 3 other rookie WRs....now maybe things will start clicking and he can make up some ground but to think he's going to have his best year this year is asking too much.

I think next year with more time to develop chemistry with these new guys the offense will be really good. We have all the pieces, we just lack the consistency. Whether Cam is a part of that or not I don't know...it all depends on how much better we get this year, imo Cam needs to develop his system to fit his players not the other way around.

.....okay, thats my last rant for today
[/quote]


I Hear what your saying but to me , ive never thought Phillip Rivers was any good. (he has the ugliest throw i have ever seen) i know that really doesnt have to do with anything but anyways, Rivers has never really impressed me.
And for Matt Ryan, never liked him and never understood why he get all of this attention, the only reason they beat us last yr is because of the Refs turned a blind eye on multiple plays that were in favor for the Falcons.

Stats or not, they never tell the whole story and imo you cant always go off of stats. If anyone who ever watched the RAVENS on a constant bases , they would imo actually have more respect for Joe and what he has to put up with. (Cam and the O line). He didnt at all help us win the Jags game but He almost single-handedly won the Texans game for us.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1319910534' post='843118']
So what is Cam Newton's problem? He has a whole team that is new to him. No more excuses.
[/quote]
He's got a WR in Steve Smith that is better than anyone we have here. He's got a better TE in Shockey. Love how it never occured to anyone that they are making him just as much as he is making them.

Meanwhile, EVERYONE on our offense is at fault for what was Jacksonville.

[jimmypowder]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1319830036' post='842308']
Posted before and will post again. Flacco to me now can post the worst numbers during the regular season as long as we are winning and his numbers improve during the post, not the other way around which its been.

Here are some numbers people tend to shy away from when mentioning Flacco.
Post Season
08- 50.8 rating 44% Comp 5.8 YPA 1 TD 3 INTS through 3 games.
09- 39.4 rating 53.3% Comp % 4.96 YPA 0 TDS 3 INTSthrough 2 games.
10- 90 rating 64.06% Comp 6.1 YPA 3 TDS 1 INT through 2 games.

Most importantly 10 divisional game 61.1 rating 16/30 125 yards 4.2 YPA 1 TD1 INT. Let's also not forget running out of bounds instead of throwing the ball away.

As much as I hope he succeeds he hasn't proven himself when the team has needed him most and seems to get worse when the pressure is on. Its sad to say but I expected the Jags game to end in a pick if we didn't recover the onsides kick.
[/quote]
Someone posted Peyton Mannings playoff qb numbers and it is not pretty either. Joe is certainly not elite but I would love to see
what he could do without Cam and a good o-line.

[In_ozzie_we_trust]

[quote name='keebl3rs' timestamp='1319823284' post='842181']
No way were we the 4th highest scoring [b]offense[/b] in the league. We may have been the 4th highest score team due to in large part those defensive TDs. You sure about that?
[/quote]


Yes ESPN did a segment of the top five scoring offenses last week and Ravens were fourth. It was a surprise to me to but Ill take it because how often in the history of the Ravens is the offense even in the top ten in scoring or anything offensive

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1319821664' post='842158']
Everyone hates on Joe and wants someone better, well here are some numbers to think about

Philip Rivers one of the few ELITE QBs in the league, he has 9 INTs to 8 TDs

The Great Josh Freeman who was supposed to be the next best thing has 10 INTs and 7 TDs

Matt Ryan 8 INTs, 9 TDs

Michael Vick 8 INTs, 9 TDs

and Tom Brady, Romo, Brees, have all had games this year where they threw for 3 to 4 INTs

The Ravens offense was the 4th highest scoring in the league until that debacle on Monday Night. Hopefully this will be a wake up call and they will finally take all that talent they have and use it!!!!

Ed Dickson and Dennis Pitta need to be more involved in the game plan.

We need to establish Boldin early in games, continue to force the issue down field

....but most importantly this OL needs to start playing better, what happened to running the ball better this year? Every week we are steadily dropping in rush yards per game. It's like we're stalling or something.

There is too much talent on this team to fail like that crap that happened Monday.

Joe can be a really good QB but he needs help, yeah his numbers are down this year. Its to be expected when you only have 1 WR you have experience with, 2 2nd year TEs who dont get many looks, Ray Rice is the majority of our offense, Lee Evans is hurt, he's dealing with 3 other rookie WRs....now maybe things will start clicking and he can make up some ground but to think he's going to have his best year this year is asking too much.

I think next year with more time to develop chemistry with these new guys the offense will be really good. We have all the pieces, we just lack the consistency. Whether Cam is a part of that or not I don't know...it all depends on how much better we get this year, imo Cam needs to develop his system to fit his players not the other way around.

.....okay, thats my last rant for today
[/quote]

"The pass protection is bad."

"Both tight ends should be getting involved in the passing game."

Okay, so do you want them in to help block... or do you want them running routes? You can't have it both ways.

And as for the statistics of being 4th in scoring offense... leave that at the door. The Ravens can score 50 points in one game, but then only 7 in another. So what if that leaves them ranked 4th overall in points scored. We don't want that. We want an offense that can consistently move the ball down the field and AT LEAST get a nice, short field goal for Cundiff. And at the VERY least, give our defense a HUGE field to work with. Don't turn the ball over. Along with getting those long drives consistently... that takes time off the clock which is also good. It keeps the defense refreshed instead of worn down. Oh, and it keep the other offense off the field so they never get into a rhythm.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1319917979' post='843187']
He's got a WR in Steve Smith that is better than anyone we have here. He's got a better TE in Shockey. Love how it never occured to anyone that they are making him just as much as he is making them.

Meanwhile, EVERYONE on our offense is at fault for what was Jacksonville.
[/quote]
They are all new to him was the point i was making.

[good_n_purple]

[quote name='Free Agent' timestamp='1319865890' post='842917']
Definitely agree. I dont KNOW what the problem was Monday night, although I strongly believe it was mostly the playcalling. Regardless, it is time to move on, fix the problems, and get back on track with a resounding win over the Cardinals.
[/quote]
Hey...everyone knows you have to move on, but fixing the problems won't happen until Cam is gone unfortunately. The offense was unprepared and out of sync. Nevermind the the Joe/Cam relationship problems....its Cam's job to figure out what plays need to be run to counter what the defense is throwing at them. For 50 minutes he had one thumb up his tucus, and one in his mouth playing switch. Running the same simplistic plays over and over again were OBVIOUSLY not working. What part of sending all the receivers on button-hook plays repeatedly and not working did he not get? Also, a little bit of an over reaction not getting Rice the ball because of a fumble.

[Purple Punishment]

Maybe Norv Turner will get the axe this year and we will have him as our OC next season

[Dudeman]

Thanks for this post. I appreciate how you pointed out how close great players can be from being just average on a week to week basis. I think most players are motivated to play well, and that they are their own worst critics when they don't play up to standard.

I do agree with the general consenus that the offense needs to find some consistency. But I don't like how harsh people have to make things out to be. We really are a lot closer to playing great football on both sides of the ball than people may lead you to believe.

[Free Agent]

[quote name='good_n_purple' timestamp='1319927692' post='843273']
Hey...everyone knows you have to move on, but fixing the problems won't happen until Cam is gone unfortunately. The offense was unprepared and out of sync. Nevermind the the Joe/Cam relationship problems....its Cam's job to figure out what plays need to be run to counter what the defense is throwing at them. For 50 minutes he had one thumb up his tucus, and one in his mouth playing switch. [b]Running the same simplistic plays over and over again were OBVIOUSLY not working. What part of sending all the receivers on button-hook plays repeatedly and not working did he not get?[/b] Also, a little bit of an over reaction not getting Rice the ball because of a fumble.
[/quote]

That is because Cam replaced all of the slant routes in his two page playbook with button-hooks. At least he tore out the end around page...

[Guest caraven]

[quote name='usmccharles' timestamp='1319829998' post='842307']

I highly disagree. as much as i love our team, Ray rice is the only elite player we have on offense. Joes is a 10-15 qb at best, hes not consistent. Our OL is pretty rough right now and our WRs have problems getting seperation, expect for smith. Sure we are alot more stacked then other teams on offense, but to match up to ANY team, i dont think so....
[/quote]I totally agree I like Joe but he has to get to that next level.He has to beat the big Teams in the big games or we move in another direction.Our receivers defintely need to be better.Even if it means getting TO..Im for the team not any one player.If we got a great QB,oline wed be unstoppable.we need to plug the holes.