The Jaguar Loss Has Shaken My Faith

[scrock]

I'm dumbfounded man, that loss has really shaken my faith in this team. The defense is fine but its the offense, especially the OL..we couldnt get the run game going AGAIN, besides Boldin and Ray Rice catching balls we have no one else. Well we do but they aren't used correctly or they just arent good enough.

Dickson and Pitta need to be worked into the system more. Lee Evans is out, Then we have 3 rookie WRs and David Reed who never gets any opportunities..

But none of that matters because its always Joe Flacco who will take the blame for every loss.

Yeah, it was one game but one game can tell you a lot. This team can't run it when it needs to, the OL is struggling big time the past few weeks and Cam just doesnt know how to work to his guys strengths, its like he has his system but he wont change it, he wants the players to change to fit the system.....that dont work

We might make the playoffs sure...but we aren't doing anything, maybe win 1 game again before getting beat by the Steelers or someone...

How could you lose to the Jags? Come on, man!!!!!

consider my faith in this team shaken

[shawn ny]

As upset as i was after watching the game on monday night...I really had to stop and think...The year we won the superbowl our offense was wayyy worse and we lost badly to a few teams that year. Remember, all teams play bad games and all QB's suck for a few games in their carreers. Remember tom brady throwing 4 picks a few weeks back? Keep your heads high and hope the steelers lose this week!

[redrum52]

Your faith should be shaken cause this was the kind of loss that got us bumped out the playoffs against Peyton in 09 and the Steelers last year. People say its one game but there have been 3 (Titans, Jets which the defense saved us and the Jaguars) games where our offense has underperformed and whether its Cam or Joe I dont care because its costing the team. Also, its not like this problem has never happened before, we continuously are biting our nails cause we dont know which offense is going to show up that day. We keep hearing Flacco is suppose to have more control but it doesnt look that way. After hearing that maybe Joe was set up to be the scapegoat for Cams horrendous playcalling but even if that is the case if Joe is watching film and should be prepared by now to deal with the plays and should just be working that much harder to have a higher success rate with whats called. The same problems are still there, slow reads and release. If you know your line cant block you have to adjust at the line and look for a hot read. Im sick of watching Flacco dump it off to Rice for 3-5 yard gains on 3rd on 12. Plays like this are going to be the reason Rice gets injured on a pointless short yardage gain. You can say what want about Rices fumble on that play against Pitt last year but it was 3rd and forever and instead of taking the shot down field pass to Rice which he fumbled. @shawn, the year we won it teams could still play defense and there werent this many dominant passing teams. Youre going to need to put up more than 7 points to keep up with Pats, Steelers, Green Bay or the Saints. Even the Giants for the most part are reliable for atleast 21 points a game. The times have changed.

[In_ozzie_we_trust]

I will never lose my faith in this team Flacco and CAM included,

[scrock]

Im just disappointed because our offense has failed this team for years, it looked like they were making progress and they go out on Monday Night and put on that performance....

I know we can still be dangerous but things need to turn around quick, we have to get the run game going,as well as get our TEs involved more.....get Boldin started early, hit on some deep routes to Torrey, etc

I really think Cam is gone after this year and then maybe we will finally see the offense we all know we can have

[scrock]

[quote name='americanmade2012' timestamp='1319809842' post='841883']
I will never lose my faith in this team Flacco and CAM included,
[/quote]



Cam has lost me, Cam isnt a coordinator that can adapt, he can't work to use his players strengths, he has a set system and he forces his players to work with it..thats like taking a square peg and putting it into a round hole

it just doesnt work man

[In_ozzie_we_trust]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1319810010' post='841886']



Cam has lost me, Cam isnt a coordinator that can adapt, he can't work to use his players strengths, he has a set system and he forces his players to work with it..thats like taking a square peg and putting it into a round hole

it just doesnt work man
[/quote]
Maybe it does not work but is he not on the ravens? you either support the whole team or you don't that my view.

I Mean what good would ti do to have a divided lockerroom everyone there has to support and have faith in each other or the season will not be successful.

[scrock]

I'll bet you right now, once Cam is fired after this year and we finally get a good OC in here our offense will come alive. We finally have a franchise QB but some people want to run him out of town, its ridiculous. The main problem on offense right now is the weak play of the OL and Cam not being able to work in all his weapons. Todd Heap was a big part of the offensive gameplan when he was here...well where is Dickson and Pitta ? They rarely get touches.....

Boldin goes cold for long stretches, the Lee Evans trade is a bust at least so far because of his injury.

Once again Joe is without a run game, without pass protection but I guess its all on Joe ? right lol

[scrock]

[quote name='americanmade2012' timestamp='1319810202' post='841890']
Maybe it does not work but is he not on the ravens? you either support the whole team or you don't that my view.

I Mean what good would ti do to have a divided lockerroom everyone there has to support and have faith in each other or the season will not be successful.
[/quote]

well that's your view

plenty of teams have fans who dont support their OC or DC or Head coach, thats sports man

I have been quiet on Cam this whole time but now its getting to be too much

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1319810268' post='841892']
I'll bet you right now, once Cam is fired after this year and we finally get a good OC in here our offense will come alive. We finally have a franchise QB but some people want to run him out of town, its ridiculous. The main problem on offense right now is the weak play of the OL and Cam not being able to work in all his weapons. Todd Heap was a big part of the offensive gameplan when he was here...well where is Dickson and Pitta ? They rarely get touches.....

Boldin goes cold for long stretches, the Lee Evans trade is a bust at least so far because of his injury.

Once again Joe is without a run game, without pass protection but I guess its all on Joe ? right lol
[/quote]

That's a good point about the tight ends. Todd Heap was huge for us, but his replacements rarely see the field.

[scrock]

yessir

[In_ozzie_we_trust]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1319810344' post='841895']

well that's your view

plenty of teams have fans who dont support their OC or DC or Head coach, thats sports man

I have been quiet on Cam this whole time but now its getting to be too much
[/quote]

I would agree on that and venting always helps but the situation wont change until offseason time so we al just have to deal with it and if we make the superbowl and win it then great if not then we will point the blame at whoever we can because thats sports and thats what we do.

[PuRock]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1319808243' post='841870']
I'm dumbfounded man, that loss has really shaken my faith in this team. The defense is fine but its the offense, especially the OL..we couldnt get the run game going AGAIN, besides Boldin and Ray Rice catching balls we have no one else. Well we do but they aren't used correctly or they just arent good enough.

Dickson and Pitta need to be worked into the system more. Lee Evans is out, Then we have 3 rookie WRs and David Reed who never gets any opportunities..

But none of that matters because its always Joe Flacco who will take the blame for every loss.

Yeah, it was one game but one game can tell you a lot. This team can't run it when it needs to, the OL is struggling big time the past few weeks and Cam just doesnt know how to work to his guys strengths, its like he has his system but he wont change it, he wants the players to change to fit the system.....that dont work

[b]We might make the playoffs sure...but we aren't doing anything, maybe win 1 game again before getting beat by the Steelers or someone...[/b]

How could you lose to the Jags? Come on, man!!!!!

consider my faith in this team shaken
[/quote]

The season is very very long. A lot of things can change right before our very eyes. Sure it doesn't seem that way now. But we all know the potential is there. Nobody envisioned the Packers winning the SB this time last year. Nobody envisioned the Jets having back to back AFCCGs. Nobody envisioned the Giants winning the SB period.

You have to get to the dance. Beyond that, there is a lot of luck, inches and bad calls yet to occur.

I never give up the faith. Call me a homer or whatever. But I stand by my team in a volatile league. Because there is always a chance.

[scrock]

[quote name='americanmade2012' timestamp='1319810532' post='841906']

I would agree on that and venting always helps but the situation wont change until offseason time so we al just have to deal with it and if we make the superbowl and win it then great if not then we will point the blame at whoever we can because thats sports and thats what we do.
[/quote]

I just don't think its fair that the QB takes all the blame, I don't think he deserves all the credit in wins either

When Joe is getting poor pass protection, when the run game doesn't work, when guys aren't getting open or Cam isnt taking advantage of his TEs....thats not Joe's fault...we need to be more dynamic

The TE position was always big in our offense and it has all but disappeared now with Heap gone...which it shouldnt, Dickson and Pitta can do good for us if Cam would just use them. If Lee Evans ever gets healthy maybe that will open things up underneath for Boldin...Torrey Smith has been okay for a rookie but where is Doss ? or LaQuan ?

Our offense has all this talent, we should have put up points against a 1-5 Jags team with little to play for but pride

[scrock]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1319810620' post='841908']

The season is very very long. A lot of things can change right before our very eyes. Sure it doesn't seem that way now. But we all know the potential is there. Nobody envisioned the Packers winning the SB this time last year. Nobody envisioned the Jets having back to back AFCCGs. Nobody envisioned the Giants winning the SB period.

You have to get to the dance. Beyond that, there is a lot of luck, inches and bad calls yet to occur.

I never give up the faith. Call me a homer or whatever. But I stand by my team in a volatile league. Because there is always a chance.
[/quote]

Maybe it came across the wrong way, I'm not giving up on my team, I'm just concerned Cam limited imagination is going to hurt us

John talked all off season about getting the run game going,that hasnt happened except for small spurts...and except for the Steelers game the OL has regressed....and if you dont get Boldin going early he's a non factor....and because Cam doesnt use the two TEs for whatever reason that doesnt leave us with much

Todd Heap was huge here in Bmore on offense, Dickson and Pitta should be too

[In_ozzie_we_trust]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1319810818' post='841910']

I just don't think its fair that the QB takes all the blame, I don't think he deserves all the credit in wins either

When Joe is getting poor pass protection, when the run game doesn't work, when guys aren't getting open or Cam isnt taking advantage of his TEs....thats not Joe's fault...we need to be more dynamic

The TE position was always big in our offense and it has all but disappeared now with Heap gone...which it shouldnt, Dickson and Pitta can do good for us if Cam would just use them. If Lee Evans ever gets healthy maybe that will open things up underneath for Boldin...Torrey Smith has been okay for a rookie but where is Doss ? or LaQuan ?

Our offense has all this talent, we should have put up points against a 1-5 Jags team with little to play for but pride
[/quote]


I am right there with you. In fact i am one to not blame the quarterback because it is a team sport and if Joe passes for 2 tds and no INT and we lose the game 17-14 Most fans around here would never think about blaming the defense but even they have a bad game it does happen.

The other thing that annoys me is the what ifs durign and after the game. What if Cundiff makes that FG then we would have been up 10-9 after the TD and we would not have done that onside kick most likely and probably would have won by that score but we didn't.

Sports are amazing because it brings out a different side of people sometimes lol

[Twistidfunk]

I hear ya. I have accepted the fact we most likely won't get to the superbowl. I hyped the team up waaaaay too much after the Jets game. Even as bad as the offense was that game we still put up points, I figured our D was strong enough to ride into the post season. not so sure anymore. This offense is just a complete mess. Looking at the talent all over the field it is maddening.

Flacco needs to get out of the pocket when the o-line plays like garbage. He runs play action very well. Cam only realizes this too late in the game. It is like he is stubborn and wants to impose his will on the other team. Ya fine, but when you don't have a first down until the 3rd qtr....... friggin adapt! I would have after the second 3 and out. Just ridiculous. It is unacceptable but we are stuck with Cam.

Joe needs to unleash on Cam on the sideline. That is the only thing that will get this offense goin. Look what Matt Cassel did in KC....Matt Cassel.

I don't think Joe is the problem. It's Cam. We have a long season for sure and a lot can happen but ya, faith is shattered.

Poor Ray and Reed and the rest of the defense. Just a big damn waste.

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='redrum52' timestamp='1319809795' post='841882']
Your faith should be shaken cause this was the kind of loss that got us bumped out the playoffs against Peyton in 09 and the Steelers last year. People say its one game but there have been 3 (Titans, Jets which the defense saved us and the Jaguars) games where our offense has underperformed and whether its Cam or Joe I dont care because its costing the team. Also, its not like this problem has never happened before, we continuously are biting our nails cause we dont know which offense is going to show up that day. We keep hearing Flacco is suppose to have more control but it doesnt look that way. After hearing that maybe Joe was set up to be the scapegoat for Cams horrendous playcalling but even if that is the case if Joe is watching film and should be prepared by now to deal with the plays and should just be working that much harder to have a higher success rate with whats called. The same problems are still there, slow reads and release. If you know your line cant block you have to adjust at the line and look for a hot read. Im sick of watching Flacco dump it off to Rice for 3-5 yard gains on 3rd on 12. Plays like this are going to be the reason Rice gets injured on a pointless short yardage gain. You can say what want about Rices fumble on that play against Pitt last year but it was 3rd and forever and instead of taking the shot down field pass to Rice which he fumbled. @shawn, the year we won it teams could still play defense and there werent this many dominant passing teams. Youre going to need to put up more than 7 points to keep up with Pats, Steelers, Green Bay or the Saints. Even the Giants for the most part are reliable for atleast 21 points a game. The times have changed.
[/quote]

You can't fault the offense for being shut down against the Jets. Despite them giving up some rushing yards in other games, they are a good defense. Rex knows Flacco, Cameron, and the Ravens entire team better than any other defensive coordinator in the game. And he has a grudge. You should have expected him to shut down the Ravens. He did it last year, he did it this year.

But as for the offense getting completely dominated by the JAGUARS and TITANS? There's just no excuse.

[baltravens]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1319808243' post='841870']
I'm dumbfounded man, that loss has really shaken my faith in this team. The defense is fine but its the offense, especially the OL..we couldnt get the run game going AGAIN, besides Boldin and Ray Rice catching balls we have no one else. Well we do but they aren't used correctly or they just arent good enough.

Dickson and Pitta need to be worked into the system more. Lee Evans is out, Then we have 3 rookie WRs and David Reed who never gets any opportunities..

But none of that matters because its always Joe Flacco who will take the blame for every loss.

Yeah, it was one game but one game can tell you a lot. This team can't run it when it needs to, the OL is struggling big time the past few weeks and Cam just doesnt know how to work to his guys strengths, its like he has his system but he wont change it, he wants the players to change to fit the system.....that dont work

We might make the playoffs sure...but we aren't doing anything, maybe win 1 game again before getting beat by the Steelers or someone...

How could you lose to the Jags? Come on, man!!!!!

consider my faith in this team shaken
[/quote]
Count me in to. My faith is shaken. I guess the bright spot is that we played a top-tier defense Monday night, but Flacco and Cam still should have got the job done.

[atljbo]

I heard someone mention your superbowl D and the offense... The problem now is that offenses now are deadlier

I dont think in todays NFL you cant just depend on your D (unless the prefect storm happens) because a good offense can easily put up 21 on a great D these days...

A great Defense is big but you have to be able to score points...

You guys will easily make the playoffs .. In the playoffs .. Teams will be able to score.. I want to see what happens then because you guys D is the best in the league... But the offense will not face the rams Defense type teams.

[RavensAllTheWay]

I stand by my initial thought. The offense will NOT play as bad as the Jags game the rest of the season. I hope people would agree.

[theFRANCHISE]

It's one game.

I don't care how ugly the team plays, as long as they win.

With the exception of a playoff game or the Super Bowl, one game does not define the season.

[redrum52]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1319819608' post='842110']
It's one game.

I don't care how ugly the team plays, as long as they win.

With the exception of a playoff game or the Super Bowl, one game does not define the season.
[/quote]


One game? If this was the first time something like this happened then sure I would agree with you but it is not the first. The first game I really remember a TERRIBLE performance was Flaccos second year versus the Pats in the Wild Card game where I think he completed 6 passes but we were carried by the defense and the run game. Last year there were many games where the offense showed up for maybe a quarter or two and vanished for the rest of games leaving our defense on the field to defend a slight lead after repeated 3 and outs. This year 3 of 6 games our offense stalls. Titans was a loss, but not only did we lose we displayed no urgency, then the Jets where our defense bailed us out and the complete collapse offensively in Jacksonville. The only consistency is our inconsistent play on that side of the ball so this should be a concern.

[bpytnjr58]

I have not lost faith in the players but i have in the gameplan.

[lgcs27288]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1319810268' post='841892']
I'll bet you right now, once Cam is fired after this year and we finally get a good OC in here our offense will come alive. We finally have a franchise QB but some people want to run him out of town, its ridiculous. The main problem on offense right now is the weak play of the OL and Cam not being able to work in all his weapons. Todd Heap was a big part of the offensive gameplan when he was here...well where is Dickson and Pitta ? They rarely get touches.....

Boldin goes cold for long stretches, the Lee Evans trade is a bust at least so far because of his injury.

Once again Joe is without a run game, without pass protection but I guess its all on Joe ? right lol
[/quote]

Who says we will get a good OC if Cam is fired?

[PurpleReign92]

The earth started shaking beneath my feet after this loss.... That was a very big let down that my expectations for this season have changed...

[jimmypowder]

[quote name='PurpleReign92' timestamp='1319905753' post='843077']
The earth started shaking beneath my feet after this loss.... That was a very big let down that my expectations for this season have changed...
[/quote]

My expectations have changed dramatically as well. I think we just have too much new offensive personnel to get our timing down.
The whole left 0-line is different,Oher is back at Rt after 2 years? Yanda back to RG. Two new TE's. Rookie receivers.New 2nd string
running back.New fullback. Im sorry but this is a IMMENSE amount of change!!!

The defense has a bit more consistency and upgrades with Cody.Essentially,its close to the same.

This is why our offense is inconsistent!!! Expect us to be better by late this season. I just hope its not too late
at that point and we miss the playoffs.

[darklight1216]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1319819608' post='842110']
It's one game.

I don't care how ugly the team plays, as long as they win.

With the exception of a playoff game or the Super Bowl, one game does not define the season.
[/quote]
It's not really one game... The offense didn't play well against NYJ or Tenn either, but winning is everything...

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='scrock' timestamp='1319808243' post='841870']
I'm dumbfounded man, [u][b]that loss has really shaken my faith in this team[/b][/u]. [u][b]The defense is fine but its the offense[/b][/u],
consider my faith in this team shaken
[/quote]

the offense has been very unpredictable in reference to how they will play from game to game.

~Mili

[MsMarvel73]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1319810620' post='841908']

The season is very very long. A lot of things can change right before our very eyes. Sure it doesn't seem that way now. But we all know the potential is there. Nobody envisioned the Packers winning the SB this time last year. Nobody envisioned the Jets having back to back AFCCGs. Nobody envisioned the Giants winning the SB period.

You have to get to the dance. Beyond that, there is a lot of luck, inches and bad calls yet to occur.

[b]I never give up the faith. Call me a homer or whatever. But I stand by my team in a volatile league. Because there is always a chance[/b].
[/quote]

Amen, bro. I'm right there with you.