To Everyone That Wants Cam Fired Now..

[ball hawkin 20]

[quote name='The Raven' timestamp='1319766253' post='841566']

Quite the exaggeration at that. He has a whopping 3 carries. Whoop dee doo. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/sarcasticclap.gif[/img]
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Lol, not gonna lie i didn't know that, but it seems he's carried it a lot more for some reason.

On the other hand he's caught 6 passes for 17 freaking yards. Just let the dude block

[theFRANCHISE]

[quote name='ball hawkin 20' timestamp='1319766552' post='841573']

Lol, not gonna lie i didn't know that, but it seems he's carried it a lot more for some reason.

On the other hand he's caught 6 passes for 17 freaking yards. Just let the dude block
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If the fullback is on the field, he's a skill position player just like a TE, a WR, a RB, and a QB.

Skill position players, by nature of their eligibility to catch or run the ball, are sometimes utilized for skills beyond their job description. TEs may sometimes work as blockers more than receivers or vice versa. Receivers may sometimes be used as running backs or QBs on trick plays. RBs may sometimes catch passes out of the backfield or often serve as extra blockers. The same logic applies to the fullback position.

Just because Leach has a few carries and catches, doesn't mean that he's not being utilized as a blocker above all else. If you look at the stats for most starting fullbacks, the majority of them have a few receptions and rushes to their credit every season. It's all about utilizing your weapons.

Cam may not be utilizing all of his weapons correctly, but that doesn't mean he's mishandling how Leach is used, just because Leach is given the ball on occasion.

[The Raven]

[quote name='ball hawkin 20' timestamp='1319766552' post='841573']

Lol, not gonna lie i didn't know that, but it seems he's carried it a lot more for some reason.

On the other hand he's caught 6 passes for 17 freaking yards. Just let the dude block
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So, we're complaining about Cam Cameron being one dimensional, but we want our FB to strictly block? That sounds one dimensional to me. Oh irony.

[admartian]

I've always thought it's unfair to ask fans to be the GM and say "you do better!" - just because they are complaining.

Right now, that loss to the Jaguars, particularly the ineptitude of Joe/Cam is downright embarassing.They are the talk of the league - and not in a good way.

We will probably ([i]hopefully![/i]) still make the playoffs. But after that, I don't think we go deep.

There is no way teams like Green Bay, New England, or even Pittsburgh, drop two games like that; to a team like Jacksonville and Tennessee.

Yeah, yeah, this mentality is not popular and will probaly receive a knee-jerk "yer not a real fan!111!!11!".

But the truth hurts.

At least we have the Cardinals to bounce back from and get an easy win... [size=2](but that's what we said about the Jags, right?) [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/eyes.gif[/img] [/size]

[In_ozzie_we_trust]

Agree that it would not be in the best interest of the team but what if the defense and Cam together take this team to the superbowl and win it what a way for cam to leave on top.

[PuRock]

Agreed. For a 4-2 team to replace their OC just isn't wise. Especially when there isn't an offensive play caller on the coaching staff.

Plus this management team has shown to be patient. They will wait until the time is right to let go of Cam. Which will probably be this year unless we have an offensive explosion.

[Ray Ray Ravens]

We have very important games coming up and we dont need to see the same mistakes. Run the ball baltimores way. Dont try to duplicate the texans run style our back is way different. Thats all we heard leading to the texans game. a 60/40 split run to pass would be good for us even if it isnt working early.

[BenDufusberger]

I agree on one hand and disagree on the other. Changing horses midstream , particularly when we're still solidly in the hunt for a playoff berth , seems unwise.

On the other hand , Cam may well be the main weakness of the Ravens , and the one that keeps us from getting to and winning the SB.

I definitely wouldn't make the switch this season unless an absolutely primo OC was available to replace him. There's probably nobody of that quality available now , but there may be later as other teams drop out of playoff contention.

I think more players would be excited about the prospects of playing under a first-rate OC than would mourn the loss of Cam. And a new OC could be more effective than Cam without changing the current playbook at all , by simply being more adept than Cam at implementing that playbook. And that's not a high hurdle to clear.....

[SuRihtanil]

Alot of people like to blame him for bad losses... the offense looked horrible monday. All the fans were angry and needed a fall guy, and since Cam is one of the teams weakest link he is easy to target.

[Ray Ray Ravens]

So do we get rid of the weakest link or the 2nd weakest link? Maybe we go after someone else altogether. Since Zorn isnt around maybe the guy that fills the gatorade jugs will suffice.

[berad]

I just remember the clamoring for Josh McDaniels in the offseason. I think the Rams offensive woes speak louder than anything I could say, though. Cameron isn't great but we could, and have (in the past), done a lot worse. Ultimately, players need to execute.

[Purple Nurple]

It's a group effort and Monday was an utter group (offensive) failure. Period.

[Ray Ray Ravens]

You cant execute when your the star player of an offense and touch the ball for 8 carries because a overbearing coach is upset in your one fumble in over 500 touches.

[Free Agent]

Obviously firing Cam in the middle of the season would be foolish, and it won't happen anyway. I just want him gone at the end of the season. With that said, I am hoping that he can correct the numerous mistakes that the offense made against the Jags, and get this offense back on track. A resounding win against the Cards would be helpful.

[BmoreRavens732]

As much as I hate cam n can't wait til he's gone something deep down very far in my heart n soul is telling me he will fix what ever is wrong n quit being stubborn n change things around cuz there's no way you don't let your 4th year QB not run the no huddle n no way you let your star HB n best weapon on offense run only 8 times n no way all your WR's n TE's don't get open all game...none of that is flaccos problem or fault at all but I think the stubborn old [profanity deleted] will fix it

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1319776218' post='841737']
I just remember the clamoring for Josh McDaniels in the offseason. I think the Rams offensive woes speak louder than anything I could say, though. Cameron isn't great but we could, and have (in the past), done a lot worse. Ultimately, players need to execute.
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Players always need to execute. It makes it 1000 times more difficult to execute when everyone in the stadium knows exactly what you are doing though. My biggest thing here isn't even the horrid play calling Monday night though. It really boils down to just a few things:

1. When your offense is completely shut down, as an OC you need to try something different to try to get some momentum. I was screaming in the 3rd quarter that we needed to go to a hurry up offense to set their D back into zone and get some offensive rhythm. No, we just keep doing the same old thing.
2. We are the laughing stock of the entire football world right now. Why? Because everyone saw Cam calling plays from the sidelines during the hurry up offense. Sorry man but that simply IS NOT done with a 4th year QB. It is ridiculous.
3. From Joe's comments regarding the hurry up, it is clear that he is not comfortable with calling his own plays. Cam has actually stunted his growth with his control freak ways. This is something that should have been worked on during practice since Joe's rookie year. Shoot, if you were around for Joe's rookie year, he was MORE comfortable calling his own plays then. Cam is ruining Joe. It is plain.

[BmoreRavens732]

This ravensdfan knows his stuff!!! Well said n I couldn't agree more

[Raven146]

I will disagree, no one is irreplaceable. Cam himself said there are others who know all facets of the Baltimore system. There are back ups already in the system. If Cam was in an accident and could not do his job, there would be a replacement for him.

Beside if Joe has worked in the system for 4 years, he is the one playing. I guess you would find out if he is an elite , average or pathetic QB in a hurry.

Basically to claim that we can't is to say that he is irreplaceable and the Ravens would be inept without him....OH wait Jacksonville proved we already are.

[ZRayvenZ]

[quote name='Ray Ray Ravens' timestamp='1319777203' post='841753']
You cant execute when your the star player of an offense and touch the ball for 8 carries because a overbearing coach is [b][u]upset in your one fumble in over 500 touches.[/u][/b]
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Heaven forbid, i'm not defending harbaugh, but it may have something to do with the little fella isn't very good at blocking big rushing defenders for Joe.

[Purple Nurple]

Double edged sword here. If we are somehow able to pull off at least a AFCCG or Super Bowl appearance, Cam will probably keep his job.

So do you want glory, or Cam gone?

[berad]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1319795956' post='841813']

Players always need to execute. It makes it 1000 times more difficult to execute when everyone in the stadium knows exactly what you are doing though. My biggest thing here isn't even the horrid play calling Monday night though. It really boils down to just a few things:

1. When your offense is completely shut down, as an OC you need to try something different to try to get some momentum. I was screaming in the 3rd quarter that we needed to go to a hurry up offense to set their D back into zone and get some offensive rhythm. No, we just keep doing the same old thing.
2. We are the laughing stock of the entire football world right now. Why? Because everyone saw Cam calling plays from the sidelines during the hurry up offense. Sorry man but that simply IS NOT done with a 4th year QB. It is ridiculous.
3. From Joe's comments regarding the hurry up, it is clear that he is not comfortable with calling his own plays. Cam has actually stunted his growth with his control freak ways. This is something that should have been worked on during practice since Joe's rookie year. Shoot, if you were around for Joe's rookie year, he was MORE comfortable calling his own plays then. Cam is ruining Joe. It is plain.
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1. I don't think having us throw it 38+ times in a game where we were within 1 score of the lead (most of the time) is the answer. We're not built that way. We have a big, tough OL - use them. Of course, it's not like they were good that night.

2. I agree, it wasn't a hurry-up offense. More like, 'wait for Cammy' offense.

3. Yeah. It's cause/effect, you could look at it either way. Quite annoying though. NFL playcallers are a special breed of crazy and arrogant.

[Bullrush]

If Billick can fire Fassel in the middle of the season and coordinate the offense I'm sure Harbaugh could do the same. I meah he is already involved in the playcalling. So I don't think that should be an issue.

[edreedfromtheu]

Well supposedly the answer to the offense is that Flacco needs to be calling the plays. That's what everyone on here is saying... that Flacco should be controlling the offense from the huddle.

So the answer is simple, fire Cam Cameron... sit back... and enjoy watching what the offense can do with Flacco calling the plays.

[K-Dog]

I wonder if any one here on the boards have sent in their resume ?

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='Ray Ray Ravens' timestamp='1319764201' post='841533']
If we wanted a running fullback we would have kept McClain who was great at that. But we hire Leach to take over because hes a pure FB. So now hes catching the ball and running up the middle. Why?
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Lol this is so true. But you have to mix things up.

[nyc9192]

[quote name='counts52' timestamp='1319762661' post='841500']
I dont understand how Oz is letting this garbage happen on offense. Why isnt he reaming out Cam for not giving Joe more freedom/responsibility daily? Its just confusing because we have all seen Ozzies genius and I am shocked that this situation with Cam and Joe and our offense could get so out of hand. This defense is way too good to have another season wasted.
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I agree bro,Like i said.I love Ozzie but i dont get why we still have Cam after all of his vanilla play calling.

[counts52]

My issue with the whole situation goes beyond the vanilla play calling. I feel like its obvious that Joe and Cam dont get along that well (if they did it would be alot more obvious). Cams press conference was weird he said receivers were getting open and Joe needs to make those tight passes and I dunno if it was just me but the article about cam and joe that br.com posted where Cam said Joe can call whatever play he wants as long as Cam approves of it was just weird and confusing to me. Im not gonna lie cus its hard to try and sound remotely intelligent when you work at a bar and drink for free all night. that being said this post might not make any sense at all if it doesnt ill try and clarify tomorrow......GO RAVENS!!!