Enough With Cam Newton! People Are Blinded To Reality When It Comes To This Guy

[Ravenslifer]

Explain to me all of the Cam Newton hype. He's playing okay, but people are acting like he's an all-pro quarterback when he really hasn't done anything special. I get he's a rookie, but that's the only point in his favor. Here are my points against him.

1) He plays on a bad defensive team (30th in the NFL). When your team gives up points, you throw a lot more, ergo you have a lot of passing yards.

2) He's thrown more INTS (9), than TDs (8). I don't care where your from or how long or short you've been playing in the league, that's a bad stat. And most of the time, INTs are entirely on the quarterback, or so all of the guys who get on the board and bash Flacco tell me.

3) He has played some of the worst defensive teams in the NFL vs. the pass (here is my biggest point). Arizona (28th against the pass), Greenbay (31st against the pass), Jacksonville (6th against the pass), Chicago (27th against the pass), New Orleans (11th against the pass), Atlanta (24th against the pass), Washington (16th against the pass). For comparison, we've played Pittsburgh (2nd), Jacksonville (6th), the Jets (7th), Houston (8th), St. Louis (13th), and Tennessee (15th, but was ranked in the top 5 the first month of the season). So he's played one top 10 team and 2 top 15 teams, the rest bottom feeders. We haven't played a single game against a team ranked less than 15th in passing defense.

4) This point is not on Cam per say, but guys like VY, Vick, etc. show that rookie success doesn't always translate into pro success.

He's all over ESPN all the time. The hype train with this guy is ridiculous (sadly it'll be matched by the Andrew Luck hype train next year). And I don't think the results justify the hype. Someday he may go down as one of the greatest of all time, but let's look at what he's done objectively. Yeah, it's amazing he's even playing this well with a short offseason. But he's not playing well. He's playing average, against bad teams.

[Romo Ravens]

"Other NFL Teams"

But I like Cam Newton. I liked him at Auburn, I like him in the NFL. He's got swag and confidence and he's a great player in my opinion. He has a positive future coming up.

[Militant X 1]

less "hating" more "congratulating"

~Mili

[redrum52]

Ravens fans did the same with Joe. Cam plays with a bad defense but Joe has a good defense which is mostly responsible for his 4-3 playoff record. If he had just decent games or atleast been able to kill clock we probably win another 2 of those. If it wasn't for Ray Rice and the offensive line we probably get embarrassed by the Pats in Foxborough during the playoffs. Check his stat line. When Flacco has bad game they are damn near record breaking bad.

[BALTIMOREFLACCO]

Good post

[wayne]

Are you crazy, Cam is playing like a pro considering his situation and what he has to work with. Forget the stats, what DO YOU SEE on Sundays from a player is what matters the most. Stats are very decieving, very, very deceiving. Cam has played some of the best blitzing teams that are very capable of being the top defensive teams in the league ( NO, GB, Redskins ). With what he's doing considering he's a rookie and with what he has to work with, he's doing great. I will say this and I still respect Joe as our franchise qb but if he was our QB right now, we would be undefeated.

[theblackdog]

Really, when compared to how rookies usually do, the man is a freak when it comes to some of the stats.

Also, I bet a lot of folks who are hyped up about Cam Newton are the ones who have him in their fantasy leagues (full disclosure, I have Newton on my team as well) where because of how much he throws, he puts up lots of points. That's great, but it certainly doesn't mean I pick Carolina in my pick em league.

[Ravenslifer]

I'm still going with point 3. The guy has played bad defenses. Period. Lots of quarterbacks can put up pretty stats against bad defenses. I want to see what the guy can do with a schedule like we were given before I start anointing him the next big thing. I'll say this: he's my runaway early leader for Offensive Rookie of the Year, so far. And I think someday he'll be an elite quarterback. But I still think he's being way overrated at this point in time. My favorite catch phrase going around is "evolution of the quarterback position", along with "the new breed of quarterback". Honestly, I heard the EXACT same things when Vick came out and when Young came out.

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1319748176' post='841157']
Explain to me all of the Cam Newton hype. He's playing okay, but people are acting like he's an all-pro quarterback when he really hasn't done anything special. I get he's a rookie, but that's the only point in his favor. Here are my points against him.

1) He plays on a bad defensive team (30th in the NFL). When your team gives up points, you throw a lot more, ergo you have a lot of passing yards.

2) He's thrown more INTS (9), than TDs (8). I don't care where your from or how long or short you've been playing in the league, that's a bad stat. And most of the time, INTs are entirely on the quarterback, or so all of the guys who get on the board and bash Flacco tell me.

3) He has played some of the worst defensive teams in the NFL vs. the pass (here is my biggest point). Arizona (28th against the pass), Greenbay (31st against the pass), Jacksonville (6th against the pass), Chicago (27th against the pass), New Orleans (11th against the pass), Atlanta (24th against the pass), Washington (16th against the pass). For comparison, we've played Pittsburgh (2nd), Jacksonville (6th), the Jets (7th), Houston (8th), St. Louis (13th), and Tennessee (15th, but was ranked in the top 5 the first month of the season). So he's played one top 10 team and 2 top 15 teams, the rest bottom feeders. We haven't played a single game against a team ranked less than 15th in passing defense.

4) This point is not on Cam per say, but guys like VY, Vick, etc. show that rookie success doesn't always translate into pro success.

He's all over ESPN all the time. The hype train with this guy is ridiculous (sadly it'll be matched by the Andrew Luck hype train next year). And I don't think the results justify the hype. Someday he may go down as one of the greatest of all time, but let's look at what he's done objectively. Yeah, it's amazing he's even playing this well with a short offseason. But he's not playing well. He's playing average, against bad teams.
[/quote]

I didn't even read your entire post because the first two things automatically contradict eachother.

So you discount Cam's good passing stats because his team has to throw a lot...

But then you immediately point to his high interception total.

GUESS WHAT... if your team has to pass a lot more, and the opponent KNOWS you have to pass... interceptions are going to come more often.

STOP looking at the stats, and watch the games. Cam Newton already looks like a better quarterback than Flacco. He has played one bad game this season. Nobody is saying he's been perfect. But he already looks more comfortable playing at the NFL level than Flacco does.

People are so concerned with box-scores and fantasy football, but you really need to watch the actual games. Cam Newton is good, and if you're one of those people that claims Flacco just doesn't have enough talent around him... then you HAVE to make that same case for Cam NEwton because he's on the friggin Panthers! You can't convince me the Panthers have better:
1. Receivers
2. offensive line
3. defense and special teams (which gets you great field position)

[Jamal]

For rookie standards hes have a great year. Especially considering how many people were saying he was a project.

Also, I didn't expect him to be able to make all the throws like he has.

Lets not look at stats here. Watch his games, and tell me he isn't impressive.

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1319750071' post='841213']
I'm still going with point 3. The guy has played bad defenses. Period. Lots of quarterbacks can put up pretty stats against bad defenses. I want to see what the guy can do with a schedule like we were given before I start anointing him the next big thing. I'll say this: he's my runaway early leader for Offensive Rookie of the Year, so far. And I think someday he'll be an elite quarterback. But I still think he's being way overrated at this point in time. My favorite catch phrase going around is "evolution of the quarterback position", along with "the new breed of quarterback". Honestly, I heard the EXACT same things when Vick came out and when Young came out.
[/quote]

So we're supposed to discount anything good Flacco does against all these "easy" games coming up, starting with Arizona this weekend?

[berad]

Why is this a Flacco thread, now?

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1319752568' post='841260']
For rookie standards hes have a great year. Especially considering how many people were saying he was a project.

Also, I didn't expect him to be able to make all the throws like he has.

[b]Lets not look at stats here. Watch his games, and tell me he isn't impressive.[/b]
[/quote]

I think that's whats so impressive. Not only is he showing up on the stat sheet, which is all well and good, but he makes plays in key situations and keeps the Panthers competitive despite their 2-5 record.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='wayne' timestamp='1319748751' post='841181']
Are you crazy, Cam is playing like a pro considering his situation and what he has to work with. Forget the stats, what DO YOU SEE on Sundays from a player is what matters the most. Stats are very decieving, very, very deceiving. Cam has played some of the best blitzing teams that are very capable of being the top defensive teams in the league ( NO, GB, Redskins ). With what he's doing considering he's a rookie and with what he has to work with, he's doing great. I will say this and I still respect Joe as our franchise qb but[b] if he was our QB right now, we would be undefeated.[/b]
[/quote]
The other Cam might have to disagree with you.....

[True]

I remember a lot of people said he would be a bust. I thought he would struggle due to the lockout. He's done way above expectations.

[JO_75]

Yes Cam has played weak defenses but he didn't pick the schedule nor did the Panthers. It's also not his fault those teams have bad defenses either. Cam has done a great job, I was one of the so called "haters" who called him a bust but he has changed my mind... for now. Since it looks like the Panthers are going to be 4th in the division again, they will most likely have another weak schedule but we'll see what happens when the Panthers finish 1st in their Division and Cam has to face a 1st place schedule, but of course that's all down the line though.

[hawkprey]

I wonder how much of Carolina's offensive success is Cam Newton and how much is Steve Smith.

[ball hawkin 20]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1319748176' post='841157']
Explain to me all of the Cam Newton hype. He's playing okay, but people are acting like he's an all-pro quarterback when he really hasn't done anything special. I get he's a rookie, but that's the only point in his favor. Here are my points against him.

1) He plays on a bad defensive team (30th in the NFL). When your team gives up points, you throw a lot more, ergo you have a lot of passing yards.

2) He's thrown more INTS (9), than TDs (8). I don't care where your from or how long or short you've been playing in the league, that's a bad stat. And most of the time, INTs are entirely on the quarterback, or so all of the guys who get on the board and bash Flacco tell me.

3) He has played some of the worst defensive teams in the NFL vs. the pass (here is my biggest point). Arizona (28th against the pass), Greenbay (31st against the pass), Jacksonville (6th against the pass), Chicago (27th against the pass), New Orleans (11th against the pass), Atlanta (24th against the pass), Washington (16th against the pass). For comparison, we've played Pittsburgh (2nd), Jacksonville (6th), the Jets (7th), Houston (8th), St. Louis (13th), and Tennessee (15th, but was ranked in the top 5 the first month of the season). So he's played one top 10 team and 2 top 15 teams, the rest bottom feeders. We haven't played a single game against a team ranked less than 15th in passing defense.

4) This point is not on Cam per say, but guys like VY, Vick, etc. show that rookie success doesn't always translate into pro success.

He's all over ESPN all the time. The hype train with this guy is ridiculous (sadly it'll be matched by the Andrew Luck hype train next year). And I don't think the results justify the hype. Someday he may go down as one of the greatest of all time, but let's look at what he's done objectively. Yeah, it's amazing he's even playing this well with a short offseason. But he's not playing well. He's playing average, against bad teams.
[/quote]

Cam Newtons skill has nothing to do with his defense.

At least 3 of those ints were tipped balls by his receivers, and he also has 7 rushing tds so more like 15-9

So? Packers are no doubt a middle of the pack team offensively and a bottom feeder defensively.. they're doing pretty good for there standards. No compaints

Guys like Warner also show they can. Your point?

[gabefergy]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1319752492' post='841256']


I didn't even read your entire post because the first two things automatically contradict eachother.

So you discount Cam's good passing stats because his team has to throw a lot...

But then you immediately point to his high interception total.

GUESS WHAT... if your team has to pass a lot more, and the opponent KNOWS you have to pass... interceptions are going to come more often.

STOP looking at the stats, and watch the games. Cam Newton already looks like a better quarterback than Flacco. He has played one bad game this season. Nobody is saying he's been perfect. But he already looks more comfortable playing at the NFL level than Flacco does.

People are so concerned with box-scores and fantasy football, but you really need to watch the actual games. Cam Newton is good, and if you're one of those people that claims Flacco just doesn't have enough talent around him... then you HAVE to make that same case for Cam NEwton because he's on the friggin Panthers! You can't convince me the Panthers have better:
1. Receivers
2. offensive line
3. defense and special teams (which gets you great field position)
[/quote]

I don't know how this turned into another Flacco debate, but I agree with you that Cam has played extremely well. He blew my expectations out of the water and I think he has a bright future.

I would argue that Cam has a better offensive line. Gross and Otah might be the best pair of tackles in the league, and Kalil is one of the better centers as well. Cam also has Steve Smith who is far superior than anyone WR on our team. I thought he was washed up, but boy was I wrong. I wish we would have traded for him when he was being floated out there.

[D-Rey]

[quote name='hawkprey' timestamp='1319763771' post='841525']
I wonder how much of Carolina's offensive success is Cam Newton and how much is Steve Smith.
[/quote]
I think it's a little of both, but Steve Smith didn't do much last year. Newton helped Smith's play and he is having a great season now. So I would say the success is more on Newton.

[YYZ66]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1319748321' post='841165']
less "hating" more "congratulating"

~Mili
[/quote]

My thoughts exactly.

[bpytnjr58]

According to the boys at NFL Radio Newton could step right in here and take charge,especially the hurry up offense....ITO.

[Clutch Ravens]

Considering he went from Junior College, to a 1-read gimmicky Auburn offense (with a Heisman and National Championship) then to the pro game (during a freakin' lock-out) in 3 years what he has accomplished so far is INCREDIBLE.

Even his intangibles are ridiculous. He brings a swagger and confidence to the Panthers offense. He's elevating the play of everyone around him and whenever he makes a mistake he forgets about it and goes straight back to work.

Guy looks like he's going to be a very special Quarterback.

[JO_75]

[quote name='Clutch Ravens' timestamp='1319844179' post='842619']
Considering he went from Junior College, to a 1-read gimmicky Auburn offense (with a Heisman and National Championship) then to the pro game (during a freakin' lock-out) in 3 years what he has accomplished so far is INCREDIBLE.

Even his intangibles are ridiculous. He brings a swagger and confidence to the Panthers offense. He's elevating the play of everyone around him and whenever he makes a mistake he forgets about it and goes straight back to work.

[b]Guy looks like he's going to be a very special Quarterback.[/b]
[/quote]

I think he'll turn out to be what everyone thought JaMarcus Russell would have turned out to be, but a much better player.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1319748176' post='841157']
Explain to me all of the Cam Newton hype. He's playing okay, but people are acting like he's an all-pro quarterback when he really hasn't done anything special. I get he's a rookie, but that's the only point in his favor. Here are my points against him.

1) He plays on a bad defensive team (30th in the NFL). When your team gives up points, you throw a lot more, ergo you have a lot of passing yards.

2) He's thrown more INTS (9), than TDs (8). I don't care where your from or how long or short you've been playing in the league, that's a bad stat. And most of the time, INTs are entirely on the quarterback, or so all of the guys who get on the board and bash Flacco tell me.

3) He has played some of the worst defensive teams in the NFL vs. the pass (here is my biggest point). Arizona (28th against the pass), Greenbay (31st against the pass), Jacksonville (6th against the pass), Chicago (27th against the pass), New Orleans (11th against the pass), Atlanta (24th against the pass), Washington (16th against the pass). For comparison, we've played Pittsburgh (2nd), Jacksonville (6th), the Jets (7th), Houston (8th), St. Louis (13th), and Tennessee (15th, but was ranked in the top 5 the first month of the season). So he's played one top 10 team and 2 top 15 teams, the rest bottom feeders. We haven't played a single game against a team ranked less than 15th in passing defense.

4) This point is not on Cam per say, but guys like VY, Vick, etc. show that rookie success doesn't always translate into pro success.

He's all over ESPN all the time. The hype train with this guy is ridiculous (sadly it'll be matched by the Andrew Luck hype train next year). And I don't think the results justify the hype. Someday he may go down as one of the greatest of all time, but let's look at what he's done objectively. Yeah, it's amazing he's even playing this well with a short offseason. But he's not playing well. He's playing average, against bad teams.
[/quote]


LOL

Well you know, this was supposed to be the year of Bradford and Freeman. They were the best thing since Manning last year. Consistently put above Flacco by the so-called "experts". It didn't quite work out that way so they needed a new "young Manning". And Tebow wasn't playing at the time lol

[D_UP]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1319748321' post='841165']
less "hating" more "congratulating"

~Mili
[/quote]
This

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

[quote name='BALTIMOREFLACCO' timestamp='1319748580' post='841176']
Good post
[/quote]

If you ever figure that out let me know.

[JO_75]

If you are tired of the Cam Newton Hype, then you'll get tired of the Andrew Luck hype really quick. Cam Newton has hype but you better believe the Schedule Makers are ready to schedule the Dolphins vs Patriots in a National Televised Game just because of the Brady vs Luck storyline(if the Dolphins draft Luck). We'll hear so much about Andrew Luck, through the off-season, leading up to the draft, during the Draft, and all of Training Camp next year that everyone will be tired of talking about Andrew Luck.

Andrew Luck's hype >>>>> Cam Newton's Hype.

[JamesRules]

Cam's better than most franchise QB's ever will be. You make Steve Smith out to as the best receiver in the league. Although he's great, he can't take the credit that Cam can for throwing bombs in the air.

Granted Cam has a team built around him where he has two good tight ends and we all know Cam loves them, but Cam is making something out of the offense as a whole. I still feel that Steve is the leader, but Cam is probably going to become it next year when they explode with an extra receiver. The Carolina Panthers are bound for greatness.....atleast on offense.

[JohnJohnson]

I have Red Zone, so I've been watching Cam play every week. The guy makes some fantastic throws, he's really accurate. Also, he can throw on the run, and pull up sharply to throw when he's running forward. He's performing as well as any rookie QB I've seen, you have to include his rushing yards and TDs when you look at his stats. He's carrying a lot of their offense for a rookie.