Cam And Joe's Relationship

[arnie_uk]

when you watch any other team, the play caller and QB are constantly lookin at pictures videos etc to see what the other team is doin, what their own team is not doin and adjusting in ame to counter that and improve.

Now it may just be the camera men never showing it, but i never see it, even the jets game when i was there, 3 rows behind the ravens bench, i never seen joe and cam speak, let alone look at pictures...

This just shows how strained thier relanship is when they dont talk and the sidelines mid game, even when things are as bad as monday and the jets game i was at. They have to work together talk about what the see and how they can change.. They just dont.

Flacco goes to the sideline, gets his drink of gatorade, stands around, he goes nowhere near cam, cam goes nowhere near him, from what it shows on TV and i see other team QB and play caller always chatting.

Point of note at the jets game, pagano was constantly with his defence after almost every series talking to them..

How can an offense be successful when the QB and play caller, the two main men are clearly not seeing eye to eye on something, be it play calling, or personal issues whatever it is.

Cam doesnt let Joe run no huddle himself, maybe hes not ready or maybe its to do with there issues, suggs has clearly ba cked Joe in the media on ESPN then the next week bashes Cam.

Their may be something going on back stage we dont know about thats hindering the offense.

You also have Zorn being a sscapegoat for the offense last year and getting fired, flacco was very close to him and made it public he was upset...

These are just some things i think are causing tension and although they arent to blame for no first downs in a whole half etc etc, its clear to see this offense isnt functioning propely and maybe trust, tension etc, all the issues between joe and cam is not helping

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

That si because Cam is a control freak which is fine, So is Parcell's but the difference is that Parcell's is actually good at what he does, I have been one of Cam's staunchest "haters" but we are running out of excuses for this guys. He sucks, I am not sure how to put it any plainer than that. And yeah he lets Joe call play's..... when they mean nothing. When the game is on the line cam wants the glory.

And Zorn brought out the most improvement with Joe, Cam has actually made him take a step back looking at this season. I would not talk to a guy who threw me under the bus either, and was nowhere near competent and yet thought he should be the Universe's Supreme ruler when it comes to offense.

I am beginning to truly believe that there are some on this board that could call a NFL game better.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1319653344' post='839550']
That si because Cam is a control freak which is fine, So is Parcell's but the difference is that Parcell's is actually good at what he does, I have been one of Cam's staunchest "haters" but we are running out of excuses for this guys. He sucks, I am not sure how to put it any plainer than that. [b]And yeah he lets Joe call play's..... when they mean nothing. When the game is on the line cam wants the glory.[/b]

And Zorn brought out the most improvement with Joe, Cam has actually made him take a step back looking at this season. I would not talk to a guy who threw me under the bus either, and was nowhere near competent and yet thought he should be the Universe's Supreme ruler when it comes to offense.

I am beginning to truly believe that there are some on this board that could call a NFL game better.
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This should pretty much sum up everything about Joe and Cam. Cam is not only control freak but also ignorant and errogant; he thinks he can call better play to win the game when the game is on the line. He thinks Joe is still a rookie and don't know craps.....

[Free Agent]

Obviously Cam is a control freak. He was calling the plays in the freaking no huddle offense. When I found that out, I was frustrated beyond belief.

[Guest RBates]

Joe doesn't look like he is an Nfl quarterback on the sidelines. He looks like a college kid that needs to be told what to do. Im sorry his body language says a lot, he just might not be capable of leading a team. Stop drinking Gatorade and get a bottle of water, squirt it on your face, get hype, and get back in there and show them what you can do. Sorry i forgot its Joe Cool.

[Twistidfunk]

When the o-line collapses and you have no running game, what is there to look at? Guys who were not open downfield?

Cams inability for adjustments are what ticks me off but reviewing plays that never really reached their design potential is kind of pointless.

Flacco doesn't need Cam to run the print out of coverages to him when we go 3 and out. He can go to the machine himself.

[Ravenslifer]

Joe liked Zorn, and improved under him. I think Zorn was the biggest reason Joe improved last year. What's to discuss with Cam, anyway? I would assume that quarterbacks discuss stuff so that each can provide input into what works and what doesn't, and how to fix things that don't work. Apparently Joe has no control over any of that stuff anyway, so why would he bother discussing something, anything with Cam. Cam does what he wants. That's the problem here. Joe needs to have some say in this offense, otherwise we will never win, because Cam is way to predictable.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='Twistidfunk' timestamp='1319655089' post='839612']
When the o-line collapses and you have no running game, what is there to look at? Guys who were not open downfield?

Cams inability for adjustments are what ticks me off but reviewing plays that never really reached their design potential is kind of pointless.

Flacco doesn't need Cam to run the print out of coverages to him when we go 3 and out. [b]He can go to the machine himself.[/b]
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Like Joe ever can escape from the Cam straps around his neck. What do you want him to do when his OC tells him you need to do this and that? Cam will bench Joe if he goes out and does his own things, and that's the reality.......

[T3hRaven]

I've seen the cameras go to Joe and Cam talking on the sidelines after a drive and going over what I can only assume were pictures. I hate Cam as much as any true Ravens fan should, but I can't get on his case for something like this when it's, at the most, only partially true.

[ravens rule]

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1319655519' post='839626']
Like Joe ever can escape from the Cam straps around his neck. What do you want him to do when his OC tells him you need to do this and that? [b] Cam will bench Joe if he goes out and does his own things, and that's the reality.......[/b]
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That's why I think Joe doesn't try to argue about the offense much and do is own thing which he should when we can't do crap on offense.

[Raven146]

Cam is Joe's boss, the last time a QB went against the play calling at the Ravens , he won a Superbowl and lost his job.

[BmoreRavens732]

I think the problem speaks for itsself when sizzle puts cam out there like that..I mean he sticks up for Joe the week before n still does this week after the performance. All I'm saying is I'm pretty sure sizzle knows QB's more then we do! He chases em n studies em for a living n I'm sure he knows what's going on behind the scenes n for him to question cam n stick up for Joe I think we know what the problem is

[SideStep77]

He's gotta let Joe have an impact...if Cam doesn't take criticism from Joe or basically anything from him, he needs to be gone. I think Flacco should be more involved in the offensive play calling, and less of Cam.

[Romo Ravens]

I hope their relationship grows weaker and weaker to the point where the FO can see it and choose the winner over the loser (the winner being Flacco of course).