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Hate This Joe Needs "emotion" Thing

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I really hate how people are saying that Joe needs to be screaming in the faces of people saying how Brady and Manning will do it and it somehow fixes the problem and the defense gets scared when they see those guys yelling? Like are you serious? Is the defense made up of little kids who get scared of someone yelling? Get real.Just cause the guy is monotone does not mean that he doesn't care if they lose. Everyone that suits up on Sunday (or Monday) wants to win. Stop thinking like the only way players can get inspired is if they get yelled at in their face. These are adults here. I seriously doubt anyone likes getting yelled at in their face when they know they are not playing well.
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Because Joe does [i](or tries to do, sometimes)[/i] his job with a straight face, people take it as him not caring about the game.

I dislike it, too. Every athlete competes in a different way and has their own style. Steve McNair did his work quietly, for example.

EDIT: Just adding on, every suggestion that Flacco needs to show more fire or "doesn't care" also comes with the preface "I see, I think, etc". Also, people are only judging by what the cameras show - how do we know what happens on a Wednesday practice or what he's saying in the huddle, on the sidelines, or in the locker room? A lot of it is based off of a 3-second cut-away.
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Who want Joe screaming in other people faces when there not doing well? Joe is the main person on the team that needs to step up. He hasn't took control of the offense yet & been in this system for way too long to not have it down by now. I wish he would of speak up & put the blame on himself in loses even if that's not the case. Your QB has to take control of the offense in this league to win a SB. Joe going around yelling is out of character for him anyway.
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[quote name='Thepurplehaze' timestamp='1319602442' post='838873']
The only noticeable 'emotion' I'd say that's troubling is the dumbfounded look he gets when things are awry.
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He always carries that look it seems. Head hanging & that mopy look. The scowl is starting to irritate me as he looks so disinterested in the game. I never see him talking to anyone, except for maybe Cam and even then he still looks depressed.

[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1319602096' post='838866']
This is football, not teacups with the Queen.
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I absolutely chuckled at this post.
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1319601954' post='838864']
Because Joe does [i](or tries to do, sometimes)[/i] his job with a straight face, people take it as him not caring about the game.

I dislike it, too. Every athlete competes in a different way and has their own style. Steve McNair did his work quietly, for example.

EDIT: Just adding on, every suggestion that Flacco needs to show more fire or "doesn't care" also comes with the preface "I see, I think, etc". Also, people are only judging by what the cameras show - how do we know what happens on a Wednesday practice or what he's saying in the huddle, on the sidelines, or in the locker room? A lot of it is based off of a 3-second cut-away.
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Yeah I loved his inner fiery competitiveness in the way he was running up to the line of scrimmage during the 2 minute drill. What a firebrand.
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[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1319602965' post='838886']
Yeah I loved his inner fiery competitiveness in the way he was running up to the line of scrimmage during the 2 minute drill. What a firebrand.
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When Cam Cameron has to have his say in every play-call, it's kind of tough to run a no-huddle offense.
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[quote name='TreTheRaven' timestamp='1319602788' post='838882']

He always carries that look it seems. Head hanging & that mopy look. The scowl is starting to irritate me as he looks so disinterested in the game. I never see him talking to anyone, except for maybe Cam and even then he still looks depressed.



I absolutely chuckled at this post.
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You'd be depressed too if your OC was Cam Cameron.
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1319603090' post='838889']

When Cam Cameron has to have his say in every play-call, it's kind of tough to run a no-huddle offense.
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true!!

~Mili
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[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1319603448' post='838894']

true!!

~Mili
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This is just an aside, don't mean anything by quoting you, Mili: I still think he got that snap off before the 2:00 warning, in the first half. I was looking at the clock very closely and I think they got it off. Another bad call by the refs? I think so, but what's done is done. Of course, it's not like they would have done anything with it. The offense stank.
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[quote name='PurpleCorsair' timestamp='1319603396' post='838892']

You'd be depressed too if your OC was Cam Cameron.
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Exactly. I was hoping we'd get someone who can tap Joe's talents and put together a decent offense.
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1319603750' post='838907']

This is just an aside, don't mean anything by quoting you, Mili: I still think he got that snap off before the 2:00 warning, in the first half. I was looking at the clock very closely and I think they got it off. Another bad call by the refs? I think so, but what's done is done. Of course, it's not like they would have done anything with it. The offense stank.
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no problem berad.

~Mili
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I don't care about his emotion. I think thats a little overrated.

I am more concerned about his intelligency, accuracy, decision making,release and instinct.

It's sad that he can't speed up his offense for 2 min drill and he can't call his own plays.
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That's not who he is. If he started running up and down screaming at people like he's Dan Fout's it would come off as fake. Let him be who he is.

The question I always have is, why isn't $500,000 - $1,000,000 per year minimum base salary more than enough to get people motivated? Oh yea, that's right, no performance clauses. Nevermind. /snark
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[quote name='Alexir' timestamp='1319604680' post='838925']
I don't care about his emotion. I think thats a little overrated.

I am more concerned about his intelligency, accuracy, decision making,release and instinct.

It's sad that he can't speed up his offense for 2 min drill and he can't call his own plays.
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This
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When he throws an INT, look at him. I've been to games where I have a good view of the Ravens sideline, and all he does is just sit there like nothing out of the ordinary just happened. Does he try to rally the troops like a good leader would?? No. Does he even talk with his teammates on the sideline 1/4 of the time during games? Nope. This is not a good leader folks. Stop being blind to him. I once was blind, but now I see. Flacco is not who we thought he was/would be.
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[quote name='TreTheRaven' timestamp='1319602788' post='838882']

He always carries that look it seems. Head hanging & that mopy look. The scowl is starting to irritate me as he looks so disinterested in the game. I never see him talking to anyone, except for maybe Cam and even then he still looks depressed.



I absolutely chuckled at this post.
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You'd look depressed too if you had to talk to Cam and know he's got you in a choke hold. Joe's hands are tied. I'd like to know how everyone expects him to "take control of the offense" when it was beyond obvious Monday night that Cam is never, ever, ever going to let it go. There are serious issues if your OC refuses to let your 4th year QB call his own plays in the hurry up offense. 'Nuff said.
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[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1319625220' post='838996']

You'd look depressed too if you had to talk to Cam and know he's got you in a choke hold. Joe's hands are tied. I'd like to know how everyone expects him to "take control of the offense" when it was beyond obvious Monday night that Cam is never, ever, ever going to let it go. There are serious issues if your OC refuses to let your 4th year QB call his own plays in the hurry up offense. 'Nuff said.
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This is the part I have a problem with. If Joe's leash has been cut (as per Oz) then he should be the one stepping up and telling Cam no this it what I want to run. It is his "O" to take charge of, when people look for Joe to show more emotions I don't think anybody is asking him to scream at anyone. I would more like to see him directing lineman and helping identify thing's the might miss, like when we see a reciver pointing out a corner looking to blitz off the edge. Very seldom do I see Joe going over pictures of defences formation on the sideline, very seldom do I see him talking with his Recivers after a 3 and outs (now maybe I'm missing it but I really do look for it during games) or an interception, these IMO are very important tools for a QB to use for in game adjustments.

Cam well this is no surprise to any of us....this is an on going issue from years pass. I think he over schemes thing's and makes way to many plays for our rookies and Joe to take in for a short season, hence the play clocks abuse from Joe. Oz and Harbs both said (in public) this is Joe's O to take charge of, well all I'm asking for is HE lead this squad don't just be a part of it LEAD IT!! He takes the snap he knows where the players are going, read the D and make your play, speak up if you don't like what you see change it and run it.
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You're mistaking correlation for causation. Breesy is not an elite quarterback BECAUSE he runs down the sidelines screaming "WHO DAT!" He's an elite quarterback because he is smart, makes good decisions, accurate, those sorts of things. I could care less about the look on Joe's face. As for the person who said he just dumbly mopes on the sideline after an interception, check out the look on Manning's face when he does something stupid. (Seriously, check it out. It's kind of hilarious.)

I need Joe to show the traits of an elite quarterback. He could spend the entire game with duct tape over his mouth if he could communicate the plays with sign language. I wouldn't care.
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1319603090' post='838889']

When Cam Cameron has to have his say in every play-call, it's kind of tough to run a no-huddle offense.
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as a result, Cam is/was controlled freak.......he's gone after this year regardless of the result of this year........
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Joe is kinda like a Eli Manning who is pretty flat,pretty lackzidazicle.You need a QB that is like a cheerleader who rallies the troops.Thats the sign of a great leader.Peyton Manning is a field general.We need a field general
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[quote name='BloodRaven' timestamp='1319602096' post='838866']
This is football, not teacups with the Queen.
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This is the only reason I'm glad I came into this thread.
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[quote name='caraven' timestamp='1319635933' post='839084']
Joe is kinda like a Eli Manning who is pretty flat,pretty lackzidazicle.You need a QB that is like a cheerleader who rallies the troops.Thats the sign of a great leader.Peyton Manning is a field general.We need a field general
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you mean like Tebow?
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[quote name='TheRavenouseD2008' timestamp='1319641658' post='839228']
you mean like Tebow?
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I'd love for Joe to have Tebow's personality. Tebow may not have the spot on mechanics as a quarterback but he's natural leader.
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I agree and disagree with this...


You cant completely suck and be a fiery guy and that makes u a great leader.... I do think a Offense needs their QB to show emotions... Sometimes you need your QB to get in a guy face (Even Eli does that) .

Tebow is the perfect example... The guy may be the most inaccurate guy ive seen... But his guys know he will give him 100% and the guy presence make his team mates believe even when the guy look bad.

I wont say a cheerleader or a rara guy... ill say all the great QB's have a Presence about themselves... They can pickup guys when they are having a rough game especially in a close game
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[quote name='berad' timestamp='1319601954' post='838864']
Because Joe does [i](or tries to do, sometimes)[/i] his job with a straight face, people take it as him not caring about the game.

I dislike it, too. Every athlete competes in a different way and has their own style. Steve McNair did his work quietly, for example.

EDIT: Just adding on, every suggestion that Flacco needs to show more fire or "doesn't care" also comes with the preface "I see, I think, etc". Also, people are only judging by what the cameras show - [b]how do we know what happens on a Wednesday practice or what he's saying in the huddle, on the sidelines, or in the locker room?[/b] A lot of it is based off of a 3-second cut-away.
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Well he showed nothing at the open practice either. Just a point. I don't want to see emotion per se...just more intensity. I don't want him jumping up and down and flipping his hair (lol @ that brady reference from earlier this week) but I want to see him look more intense and active at the LOS calling out protections, making adjustments, and setting and resetting to determine where the blitz is. Everything "elite" QBs in the league actually do.
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I don't care about the screaming, I don't want someone screaming in my face all pissed off at me... you might get punched. Joe just needs to get better and people will get off his back, he has a huge monkey on his back because he breaks under pressure of having the game put on his back, and people are now seeing that.
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[quote name='SuRihtanil' timestamp='1319649342' post='839442']
I don't care about the screaming, I don't want someone screaming in my face all pissed off at me... you might get punched. Joe just needs to get better and people will get off his back, [b]he has a huge monkey on his back because he breaks under pressure of having the game put on his back, and people are now seeing that.[/b]
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[i]Now[/i] seeing that? Those questions have lingered around Joe from his rookie season. Even when he's had moments where he put the team on his back, the next time he and the offense have crumbled, those questions have been asked in full force.
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