Would You Trade Flacco And Rice... For Andrew Luck

[blitzking33]

I say bye bye Flacco.. But no no no no and no to Rice. He IS the offense.

[PaintinPGPurple]

I'd trade Rice and Flacco for Cam Newton. Straight up. Look at the throws he's making.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1319575429' post='838060']
Flacco isnt a bad QB by any means, but lets be real here theres a reason Luck would have gone #1 last year and will go #1 this year. [b]His vision is better than Flacco's right now and thats with Flacco playing the better part of 4 years in the NFL.[/b] Luck can also make all the throws and has better pocket presence and awareness than Flacco. Luck is going to be a better QB than Flacco is barring a horrific injury or if he goes to a team with swiss cheese for an Oline.
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You simply cannot make that conclusion from a QB playing college ball. It simply is NOT the same thing as playing in the NFL. Luck is the same thing that Troy Smith was at draft time. A successful player on the college level with POTENTIAL to be successful in the NFL. Shoot, Smith was the Heisman Trophy winner. How did that work out huh? College success just does not always transfer to the NFL.

Oh and as for Cam Newton. His team is losing games. He is not performing as well as he was when he first started. Why? Because there is now film on him and teams are studying and finding those ways to stop him.

[True]

Well Ray Rice would be an UFA so you can't trade him because he isn't under contract. Then Joe Flacco will be on the last year of his contract and you have to being negotiations with that for the other team with a sign and trade. Would have to depend on the team that has the 1st pick and their salary cap situation because Andrew Luck would be much cheaper than Flacco since he gets a set rookie deal and Flacco would want a big contract. Finances have to be taken into account when making player trades.

[bauer77]

LOL at the OP [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/feedtroll.gif[/img]


typical edreedfromtheU, i guess we shouldnt be surprised...

[darklight1216]

[quote name='Bltravens' timestamp='1319575429' post='838060']
Flacco isnt a bad QB by any means, but lets be real here theres a reason Luck would have gone #1 last year and will go #1 this year. His vision is better than Flacco's right now and thats with Flacco playing the better part of 4 years in the NFL. Luck can also make all the throws and has better pocket presence and awareness than Flacco. Luck is going to be a better QB than Flacco is barring a horrific injury or if he goes to a team with swiss cheese for an Oline.
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There's a reason that Ryan Leaf and Kyle Boller were drafted highly too: college isn't the NFL.

[bauer77]

[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1319580084' post='838244']
There's a reason that Ryan Leaf and Kyle Boller were drafted highly too: college isn't the NFL.
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this.

[ball hawkin 20]

[quote name='bauer77' timestamp='1319579852' post='838234']
LOL at the OP [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/feedtroll.gif[/img]


typical edreedfromtheU, i guess we shouldnt be surprised...
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He would make this...

[Jamal]

Without zero hesitation.

And no I'm not overreacting to this 1 game. Go check my posts in the draft section before the season even started. Luck is a special player, and Rice and Flacco for a franchise QB is giant bargain.

[Crazed Bengal]

Ok, I know I'm a Bengals fan and since this is my first post, I have no credibility whatsoever with you all. Let me just say this, Rey Rice is a special player. The Ravens would be absolutely out of their minds to trade him for a unproven first round draft pick. Andrew Luck may be the next Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, but then again he me turn out to be Tim Couch, Jermarcus Russle or Akili Smith. You just have no idea what you're going to get.

[ball hawkin 20]

Don't get me wrong, i absoluetly love Luck, but you never know. He can be the next Leaf (doubt it)

Unless he was proven, i wouldn't. If he was 3 years into his career and playing amazing i'd throw in any player to on our roster besides Ngata

[D-Rey]

Not one person here knows what Luck will do in the NFL. Not one person in here has seen Luck play in the NFL. He could be the next elite QB or he could be the next big bust.

Yes HBs are fairly easy to find and we seem to be pretty good at drafting them, but Ray Rice is a special talent that you don't see often. As for trading Flacco, I have supported him but I don't know how I would feel either way.

[Bltravens]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1319584912' post='838374']
Without zero hesitation.

And no I'm not overreacting to this 1 game. Go check my posts in the draft section before the season even started. Luck is a special player, and Rice and Flacco for a franchise QB is giant bargain.
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[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1319579500' post='838215']

You simply cannot make that conclusion from a QB playing college ball. It simply is NOT the same thing as playing in the NFL. Luck is the same thing that Troy Smith was at draft time. A successful player on the college level with POTENTIAL to be successful in the NFL. Shoot, Smith was the Heisman Trophy winner. How did that work out huh? College success just does not always transfer to the NFL.

Oh and as for Cam Newton. His team is losing games. He is not performing as well as he was when he first started. Why? Because there is now film on him and teams are studying and finding those ways to stop him.
[/quote]
[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1319580084' post='838244']
There's a reason that Ryan Leaf and Kyle Boller were drafted highly too: college isn't the NFL.
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[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1319584912' post='838374']
Without zero hesitation.

And no I'm not overreacting to this 1 game. Go check my posts in the draft section before the season even started. Luck is a special player, and Rice and Flacco for a franchise QB is giant bargain.
[/quote]
Im going to let Jamal's post do the talking for me, because thats all that really needs to be stated. Putting Luck in the same breath as Ryan Lead and Kyle Boller is a sick joke. Leaf has been playing in a pro system almost the same amount of time Flacco is. The team that gets Luck is going to be legit for the next 10+ years once they get some weapons around him.

[theblackdog]

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Short answer: NO

[chili fries]

No team is going to give up Luck for just Rice and Flacco. Ain't gonna happen, no way no how. And yes, I'd absolutely take that trade...but it would never happen..

[TXRaven]

In a word NO. Joe is our guy.

[GrimCoconut]

I'd trade Michael Oher for Luck. Think someone would take that trade? He's a celebrity for God's sake! He even has his own movie! He is an elite right tackle from what I hear; some say even a top 3 right tackle.

I don't know about trading Joe & Rice, though. Kinda scary if you think about it. Andrew Luck does look like a pretty special player, and I hear a lot of people say good things about him. I'd probably ask the Magic 8 Ball. It never fails me.

UPDATE: I asked the Magic 8 Ball. It replied "Don't count on it". There you have it. Luck's going to be a bust.

[busterblue52]

No. If we could get Peyton though we would be unstoppable... Thats just not realistic though.

[BloodRaven]

Easily. And I like Flacco and Rice.

[BigDawg]

Com'on man
It's one game

[TreTheRaven]

I would never trade Rice.

Flacco on the other hand ...

[Alexir]

I would trade them for Aaron Rodgers but not for Luck. Would I trade a first and Flacco for Luck? Probably.

[Radinho84]

no way. luck is playing in college and i would never give up two proven vets for a rookie!!!
considering that both of the guys are young and seen as our future.

don´t jump off the ship after a bad game...

[MKdave]

I understand why, but any time a trade discussion comes up on these boards we all seem to wildly, [b]wildly, [/b]overestimate the value of our players. For the first pick in this draft, you'd probably need to throw in a first with this deal just to get anybody to think about it. Flacco isn't going to have a lot of suitors right now, and Rice is a spectacular player, but running backs just aren't that valuable, because of their inherent reliance on a strong offensive line, the diminished emphasis on the run game, the ability to find quality backs outside of the earlier rounds, and the success many teams find with shared backfields.

As for Luck, yes many first round QBs are busts, but very, very rarely does a player stand the test of prolonged scrutiny the way Luck has. Troy Smith, who someone brought up earlier, is a good example of this. Around this time leading up to the draft, legitimate publications had him as a top 5 pick. And where did we end up taking him? When a guy is 'the guy' in the draft, his game gets picked apart relentlessly. Luck has been at the mercy of this process for nearly two years, and still the entire league is enamored with him. That says something. If Ozzie is really confident in the abilities of Luck, and this trade somehow proposed itself, even with our first, he'd be foolish not to take it.

[Tank 92]

No.

It makes no sense to basically start over in building the O. Joe is our QB, period. And RR is, well he is RR!

We finally have a ray of hope at WR with the development of Torrey and promising prospects in Doss and Williams. What we need is a consistent offensive game plan to effectively use Boldin, Torrey, Dickson, Pitta, etc.. The pieces are there, we just don't seem to be able to put the puzzle together.

The target should be on a Ogden type tackle or similar O lineman. Strengthen the core, build from the inside out, and the rest will flourish.

[Crabcakes&Football]

I love little Ray and Flacco so it's hard, but Luck is one of the surest QB prospects to ever come out of college. If we throw in Cam for that trade and they throw in a good OC then consider it a done deal.

[homes500]

Is the grass green, and the sky blue?

Anyone who wouldn't do this trade in a second is kidding themselves.

[D-Rey]

[quote name='homes500' timestamp='1319638595' post='839157']
Is the grass green, and the sky blue?

Anyone who wouldn't do this trade in a second is kidding themselves.
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I wouldn't do this trade in a second and I'm not kidding myself. Luck is unproven. I know he looks like a sure thing, but so did other QBs that bust. Not one person in this world can say they know for sure he won't be a bust.

[BmoreRavens732]

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahagahahaha at this thread

[scrock]

Talk about your major overreaction EVER.....

This guy wins the award

Look at our schedule, We will beat the AZ Cardinals and then the media will lay off of Joe and the Ravens...then we will have the hype machine rolling with the Ravens going into play the Steelers who we will demolish.

That will give us a nice leg up on the division.

You guys we are going to lose some games. New England lost to a horrible Browns team not long ago