Does Anyone Still Believe Joe Was Callin Plays During No Huddle?

[Dfence4champs2052]

Because it certainly wasn't evident last night. I called BS on Harbs claim that he was calling the plays at the line. What happened last night? Same ol' same ol' Cam searching his menu draggin but to get the play calls in and a half effort to get lined up quickly and so on. I do believe Cam has failed Joe just as much as Joe has failed to lead. Everyone but those two seemed to wonder why the two minute drill was taking four minutes to execute.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='Dfence4champs2052' timestamp='1319562345' post='837327']
Because it certainly wasn't evident last night. I called BS on Harbs claim that he was calling the plays at the line. What happened last night? Same ol' same ol' Cam searching his menu draggin but to get the play calls in and a half effort to get lined up quickly and so on. I do believe Cam has failed Joe just as much as Joe has failed to lead. Everyone but those two seemed to wonder why the two minute drill was taking four minutes to execute.
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Cuz Cam said "Aubible is overrated"

When Joe wants to audible and run no huddle offense, Cam decides to stop it and calls his own playcalling of which he has no idea of which playcalling he wants to call.

That 84yr drive for TD was Joe's own playcalling with no huddle offense which discrupted the Jaguars' defense tremendously. When Joe's rythyme was back with no hurdle offense, Cam again epicly wanted to call his own playcallings.

[RivenHale]

Out of curiosity, are you aware that it's called a "no-huddle" offense and not a no-hurdle one? I'm not trying to be rude or anything, I've just seen you say this a couple times and I'm a little curious.

[bpytnjr58]

Not a chance..too much time was wasted in the last 1:43 of the game.

[Purple Nurple]

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1319562642' post='837344']
Cuz Cam said "Aubible is overrated"

When Joe wants to audible and run no hurdle offense, Cam decides to stop it and calls his own playcalling of which he has no idea of which playcalling he wants to call.

That 84yr drive for TD was Joe's own playcalling with no hurdle offense which discrupted the Jaguars' defense tremendously. When Joe's rythyme was back with no hurdle offense, Cam again epicly wanted to call his own playcallings.
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[T3hRaven]

Harbs said Joe was calling the plays? What a liar, it was clear as day that Cam was on the sideline huffing and puffing into his microphone. I've never seen a no-huddle offense run by the QB look that lethargic.

[berad]

[quote name='bpytnjr58' timestamp='1319562819' post='837353']
Not a chance..too much time was wasted in the last 1:43 of the game.
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That wasn't the issue, it was the drive(s) before that. The drive that started at 1:43 only last two plays and like seven seconds.

[Dfence4champs2052]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1319562868' post='837356']
Harbs said Joe was calling the plays? What a liar, it was clear as day that Cam was on the sideline huffing and puffing into his microphone. I've never seen a no-huddle offense run by the QB look that lethargic.
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To clarify, I don't know what he said last night because I'm still too pissed to watch the postgame remarks at this point. Later this week I probably will. He said it about the Rams' game but during a presser.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='Dfence4champs2052' timestamp='1319563019' post='837369']
To clarify, I don't know what he said last night because I'm still too pissed to watch the postgame remarks at this point. Later this week I probably will. He said it about the Rams' game but during a presser.
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I only saw the highlights of it on NFL Network, but it wouldn't surprise me if Harbs defended the idiot once again. The only thing that would have satisfied me in that presser would have been Harbs coming out like Jim Mora and bashing the entire team, but he never shows any real emotions off the field.

[atljbo]

That shocked me when Gruden said the OC call the No Huddle plays.... Ive never seen that.... A QB not calling his own plays in NO Huddle.

Do they think Joe cant handle or have Joe showed he cant handle it ?

Is the OC that controlling ?

I just cant believe your team would draft a WR because Joe wanted them to (Doss) but you cant trust your 4 year starting QB to call his own plays in No huddle.

IDK... Your QB have to be able to read defenses to run his own No Huddle

Can Joe do that ?

I'm not downing anyone.. I'm asking you guys... You would know what he can do better then me... I'm just asking

[dirtybird10]

The no huddle was just another epic failure last night. This entire offense and all coaches offensive related should be embarrassed. However the lethargic no huddle is just a microcosm of the larger problem with our offense. Does anyone see how the defense was just teeing off on Joe? I see a Safety or linebacker 5-10 yards off the line, start to run up to the line and Joe just snaps the damn ball. How do you expect the line to pick guys up when you snap the ball with a 200-250 lb defender running full steam at the line? I don't see Joe stopping to point out the protections and allowing coverages to adjust. He just snaps the ball as if he is burried up Matt Birk's butt. My guess is that they are taking far too long to get a play called, and set at the line. Therefore Joe has not time to do anything but snap, but that right there could be a HUGE reason why offensive protections break down. Its either that or Joe is too damn stupid (once rattled or rushed) to think clearly and just goes into robot mode.

I'm guessing its the first, but it needs to change.

[AsianRice]

[quote name='Purple Nurple' timestamp='1319562834' post='837355']

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fixed..thanks

[Dfence4champs2052]

[quote name='dirtybird10' timestamp='1319563343' post='837381']
The no huddle was just another epic failure last night. This entire offense and all coaches offensive related should be embarrassed. However the lethargic no huddle is just a microcosm of the larger problem with our offense. Does anyone see how the defense was just teeing off on Joe? I see a Safety or linebacker 5-10 yards off the line, start to run up to the line and Joe just snaps the damn ball. How do you expect the line to pick guys up when you snap the ball with a 200-250 lb defender running full steam at the line? I don't see Joe stopping to point out the protections and allowing coverages to adjust. He just snaps the ball as if he is burried up Matt Birk's butt. My guess is that they are taking far too long to get a play called, and set at the line. Therefore Joe has not time to do anything but snap, but that right there could be a HUGE reason why offensive protections break down. Its either that or Joe is too damn stupid (once rattled or rushed) to think clearly and just goes into robot mode.

I'm guessing its the first, but it needs to change.
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Exactly.....ever heard of changing up the snap count Joe? And how the heck does a Safety 10-15 yards at a full stand still come in late (not a true blitz) and still sack you??? No vision whatsoever!

[berad]

[quote name='Dfence4champs2052' timestamp='1319563648' post='837395']
Exactly.....ever heard of changing up the snap count Joe? And how the heck does a Safety 10-15 yards at a full stand still come in late (not a true blitz) and still sack you??? No vision whatsoever!
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The Jags were called for multiple offsides and encroachment penalties.

EDIT: And what is this thread even about? I watched Harbaugh's presser from last night and he made no mention of Joe calling his own plays or anything like that. It seems this is based off comments about an entirely different game, 4-5 weeks ago.

[chesapeakeaviator]

I don't believe it. Cam was clearly calling the plays. On the plus side, the Ravens (and John) felt the need to stem the tide of fan anger (and more importantly, if I had to guess, ownership anger) that will ultimately cause one Cam Cameron to succumb.

[dirtybird10]

[quote name='Dfence4champs2052' timestamp='1319563648' post='837395']


Exactly.....ever heard of changing up the snap count Joe? And how the heck does a Safety 10-15 yards at a full stand still come in late (not a true blitz) and still sack you??? No vision whatsoever!
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The only thing I can think of is that they are getting down to the wire on the play clock because the play is taking too damn long to be read and set. Because if I were an offensive lineman and Joe is just not changing up the snap count, I would punch that [i]<guy>[/i] square in the head and tell him to wake the hell up! However, if it is just taking too long to set up for a play than he really can't change much up or take any time to point out coverages. Something HAS to get fixed on it.

[Dfence4champs2052]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1319563749' post='837401']

The Jags were called for multiple offsides and encroachment penalties.
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Twice. You missed the point. Most of the "elite" QB they call the signals then stop when they show where the blitz comes from then reset and sometimes do it a few times. They don't see the running head start of the blitz and snap it so they can get hugged.

[Dfence4champs2052]

Oh but wait...you have to have time on the play clock...not the 6 seconds Cam leaves after finally calling the play in.

[Dfence4champs2052]

[quote name='dirtybird10' timestamp='1319563931' post='837412']

The only thing I can think of is that they are getting down to the wire on the play clock because the play is taking too damn long to be read and set. Because if I were an offensive lineman and Joe is just not changing up the snap count, I would punch that [i]<guy>[/i] square in the head and tell him to wake the hell up! However, if it is just taking too long to set up for a play than he really can't change much up or take any time to point out coverages. Something HAS to get fixed on it.
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True...I was just saying that as well. It definitely plays a part in the game. I mean did anyone see the presence of mind Bum Roethlisberger had when he called everyone to the line superfast on 4th and short? They were never going to snap the ball but try to draw them offsides. Joe would never do that on his own.

[dirtybird10]

[quote name='Dfence4champs2052' timestamp='1319564046' post='837420']
Oh but wait...you have to have time on the play clock...not the 6 seconds Cam leaves after finally calling the play in.
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Thats exactly it. You rarely see our guys running up to the line and having the snap perfectly in their favor. I almost always see Reed and other guys have to stop when they get to the line and wait for the snap. That is huge for an offense to stop that initial charge and get them to lose their momentum. The way smaller defenders beat offensive blockers is by speed and disguise. If you run at the line unabated, how can a 315lb lineman stop that?

[dirtybird10]

[quote name='Dfence4champs2052' timestamp='1319564149' post='837425']

True...I was just saying that as well. It definitely plays a part in the game. I mean did anyone see the presence of mind Bum Roethlisberger had when he called everyone to the line superfast on 4th and short? They were never going to snap the ball but try to draw them offsides. Joe would never do that on his own.
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Yea but Ben is also very much a veteran player, and those kind of things can take awhile to outsmart other defenders. Changing up a snap count, or realizing your taking too damn long to get a play together should be something coaches and Joe alike should be so obvious to anyone! Its not like this is the first game I have seen this either.

[Tatelli]

[quote name='Dfence4champs2052' timestamp='1319564046' post='837420']
Oh but wait...you have to have time on the play clock...not the 6 seconds Cam leaves after finally calling the play in.
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I agree...and this is where IMO Cam's play list is way to big for this team. Yes we have a lot of weapons but were still trying to learn each other, keep it simple stupid!

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1319563263' post='837377']

I only saw the highlights of it on NFL Network, but it wouldn't surprise me if Harbs defended the idiot once again. The only thing that would have satisfied me in that presser would have been Harbs coming out like Jim Mora and bashing the entire team, but he never shows any real emotions off the field.
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Because Harbs is not a real coach.

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='Dfence4champs2052' timestamp='1319562345' post='837327']
Because it certainly wasn't evident last night. I called BS on Harbs claim that he was calling the plays at the line. What happened last night? Same ol' same ol' Cam searching his menu draggin but to get the play calls in and a half effort to get lined up quickly and so on. I do believe Cam has failed Joe just as much as Joe has failed to lead. Everyone but those two seemed to wonder why the two minute drill was taking four minutes to execute.
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Who cares who is calling the plays if the execution isn't there? Does anyone actually believe is at the point where he could successfully call the plays himself?

[edreedfromtheu]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1319568146' post='837632']
Because Harbs is not a real coach.
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But hey, at least he doesn't "talk a lot."

[Dfence4champs2052]

[quote name='edreedfromtheu' timestamp='1319568470' post='837657']

Who cares who is calling the plays if the execution isn't there? Does anyone actually believe is at the point where he could successfully call the plays himself?
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Yes alot of these people did...that's why I asked the question. And the first part of your retort...it does matter that's why its call no huddle because its fast, rapid plays and that was the farthest thing from last night.

[Free Agent]

The commentators mentioned that Cam was calling the plays during the no huddle, which is ridiculous for two reasons: first, it a no huddle... which should be run by the quarterback, NOT the offensive coordinator; second, it wastes valuable time that should be spent getting to the line and running the play. Cam, you disgust me.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='AsianRice' timestamp='1319562642' post='837344']
Cuz Cam said "Aubible is overrated"

When Joe wants to audible and run no huddle offense, Cam decides to stop it and calls his own playcalling of which he has no idea of which playcalling he wants to call.

That 84yr drive for TD was Joe's own playcalling with no huddle offense which discrupted the Jaguars' defense tremendously. When Joe's rythyme was back with no hurdle offense, Cam again epicly wanted to call his own playcallings.
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If that is really what happened then if i was Harb. , Cam would not have a job today. And if i was Joe , id be throwing Cam under the Bus because its making Joe look bad.

[PeRK82]

[quote name='Dfence4champs2052' timestamp='1319563983' post='837416']


Twice. You missed the point. Most of the "elite" QB they call the signals then stop when they show where the blitz comes from then reset and sometimes do it a few times. They don't see the running head start of the blitz and snap it so they can get hugged.
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Your right, Not once have i seen Flacco change up protection. Not once in his entire career that going into 4yrs.

[EternalRavensDefense]

Lol, I love how edreedfromtheu and Rbates always show up after the team loses and proceed to bash Flacco and Harbaugh as if that is going to do something. It remind me of Eagles fans bashing Mcnabb and Reid all the time despite the fact that they are the reason the Eages became good again.