What Does It Mean For A QB To "Single-Handedly" Win Games?

[RavensAllTheWay]

I used to hate Flacco debates. Now I can hardly get enough of them. I want to make this perfectly clear for all of his haters out there....I'm not sold on Joe Flacco, but I will support him as our QB as long as he is here.

[b]The knocks against him are: [/b]

- The fact that he hasn't put the team on his back.

- The fact that he hasn't won big games by himself.

- The fact that his numbers are not good in January.

- The fact that he NEEDS good players around him to succed as a QB.

- His struggles against a cover 2.

- He holds onto the ball too long

- Has bad pocket awareness

[b]My reasons for supporting Flacco:[/b]

- As already mentioned, he is at the helm for now

- Is above average

- When he's at his best, he's freakin' amazing

- Pocket awareness has improved/can extend the play

- I've noticed he goes through progressions faster than before

- Is durable, can take a ton of hits and ISN"T A DISASTER FOR YOUR FRANCHISE when he doesn't come through (opposites would be Vick and Romo). In other words, more of a franchise player than those guys

- Struggles in January are NOT all on him (Steelers game)

- Most QBs cannot do great things without playmakers

- Plays in the AFC North, can throw under pressure and even play well under it (Texans game)

My problem is putting it all together and playing up to potential [i]consistently[/i]. I'm wondering how an offense that went ape**** on the Steelers defense gets completely shut down against the Jags.

[b]What he did wrong tonight[/b]:

- Rushed a couple of throws under pressure and missed guys on out routes

- Threw a pick at the end

That's about all I can blame on Joe alone.....seriously.

So what I want to know is what does he have to do that he hasn't already shown he can do? What do you mean by "winning on his own?" I agree that he really struggles in this area. The knock you guys make on Flacco that I most agree with is the fact that he must usually have playmakers around if he is to win. If not, he crumbles more often than prevails. But he has come through in crunch time situations before.

Are you saying he has to win games where the D/ST/Running game/Protection are all poor, but the passing game is phenominal? But this takes receivers to get open and catch the ball.

My point is that no matter how you draw it up, QBs NEVER win games by themselves. Is that politically correct? Yes. Is that a problem? No.

So how do you win on your own as a QB?

[Ravenslifer]

You don't. No one player wins by themselves, but we if nothing else need Flacco not to lose us games, and tonight was the first game all season where I will legitimately say he cost us the game. The Titans game there was a serious, serious flaw with the oline and Kenny Britt killed us. The quarterback gets more of the credit than he should and more of the blame than he should (except in Baltimore where Flacco never gets credit for the things he does well). But the quarterback has to make plays. Yeah, the playcalling of Cam Cameron is what I really think cost us this game (you don't throw 30 times and run 8 on a team with a good pass D and a terrible run D), but Joe has to step up and be accountable. The Titans are a good football team this year, the Jaguars are not. No matter what, if you want to be a contender, you have to win the games you're supposed to win. People will bring up the Pats losing to the Browns last year, but may I point out the Pats didn't win the Superbowl.

[Militant X 1]

what i mean by a QB winning a game on his own is this....

-demonstrating tremendous poise and confidence in pressured situations
-making the correct reads and throws
-emotionally taking charge of the offense in huddle
-moving with a sense of urgency and purpose

to me...the QB (besides the C) touches the ball "EVERY" snap and once he gets it....it is up to him to make a play either to his HB/FB, TEs and WRs. it is his job to move the chains by any means necessary!

~Mili

[Npane171]

Play action pass, from the end-zone, draw up the middle...Joe Flacco 107 yrd TD run to beat the Jags after the horrible offensive performance tonight...yeah, that is single handedly winning the game baby

Still don't know why he didn't do that. Stupid Cam.

[D_UP]

You guys with your undying support for flacco noble I guess but it reminds of a bad relationship you know in your heart it's not working out but for some reason you keep trying to tell yourself it will be ok. The guy is not a smart football player he has nfl skill sets but the guy is uninspiring. Joe starting talking this offseason so therefore he must bare brunt of the criticism he claims to be elite and a playmaker he is not and he doesn't have "it" he a middle of the road qb. It doesn't matter what I say though not as long as you flacco supporters have your rose colored glasses on.

[theFRANCHISE]

With Peyton Manning perhaps being the exception, it's rare for a QB to singlehandedly win games. And quite frankly, only the elite ones do it.

Flacco isn't elite -- but the Ravens don't need him to be. An elite QB doesn't guarantee a Super Bowl victory. It certainly helps the chances, but no guarantee. Otherwise, Brady, Brees, Manning, and Rodgers would win championships every season.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1319522118' post='836100']
I used to hate Flacco debates. Now I can hardly get enough of them. I want to make this perfectly clear for all of his haters out there....I'm not sold on Joe Flacco, but I will support him as our QB as long as he is here.

[b]The knocks against him are: [/b]

- The fact that he hasn't put the team on his back.

- The fact that he hasn't won big games by himself.

- The fact that his numbers are not good in January.

- The fact that he NEEDS good players around him to succed as a QB.

- His struggles against a cover 2.

- He holds onto the ball too long

- Has bad pocket awareness

[b]My reasons for supporting Flacco:[/b]

- As already mentioned, he is at the helm for now

- Is above average

- When he's at his best, he's freakin' amazing

- Pocket awareness has improved/can extend the play

- I've noticed he goes through progressions faster than before

- Is durable, can take a ton of hits and ISN"T A DISASTER FOR YOUR FRANCHISE when he doesn't come through (opposites would be Vick and Romo). In other words, more of a franchise player than those guys

- Struggles in January are NOT all on him (Steelers game)

- Most QBs cannot do great things without playmakers

- Plays in the AFC North, can throw under pressure and even play well under it (Texans game)

My problem is putting it all together and playing up to potential [i]consistently[/i]. I'm wondering how an offense that went ape**** on the Steelers defense gets completely shut down against the Jags.

[b]What he did wrong tonight[/b]:

- Rushed a couple of throws under pressure and missed guys on out routes

- Threw a pick at the end

That's about all I can blame on Joe alone.....seriously.

So what I want to know is what does he have to do that he hasn't already shown he can do? What do you mean by "winning on his own?" I agree that he really struggles in this area. The knock you guys make on Flacco that I most agree with is the fact that he must usually have playmakers around if he is to win. If not, he crumbles more often than prevails. But he has come through in crunch time situations before.

Are you saying he has to win games where the D/ST/Running game/Protection are all poor, but the passing game is phenominal? But this takes receivers to get open and catch the ball.

My point is that no matter how you draw it up, QBs NEVER win games by themselves. Is that politically correct? Yes. Is that a problem? No.

So how do you win on your own as a QB?
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More of a Franchise guy than Vick? I stopped there. He isnt even better than Newton.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1319524805' post='836210']
More of a Franchise guy than Vick? I stopped there. He isnt even better than Newton.
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But he bounces back quickly. He does not take your team through a drama ride when the team loses or he gets pounded or whatever. And again, he's a lot more durable.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='RavensAllTheWay' timestamp='1319553931' post='836871']
But he bounces back quickly. He does not take your team through a drama ride when the team loses or he gets pounded or whatever. And again, he's a lot more durable.
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Vick wouldn't have to be durable on this team. He would just win convincingly. With our D.

[PuRock]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1319554097' post='836878']
Vick wouldn't have to be durable on this team. He would just win convincingly. With our D.
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With the way the O-Line played last night. Vick would've left the game in the 1st quarter with a broken something.

[RavensAllTheWay]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1319554097' post='836878']
Vick wouldn't have to be durable on this team. He would just win convincingly. With our D.
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Yeah, Idk about that at all.

[Claire]

For me a qb that single handedly wins, is one that takes ownership of the team and leads the team to victory. You look back at the game and you know, without a doubt, that the game couldn't have been won with any other qb.

[SideStep77]

For a quarterback to single handedly win a game...he has to do everything. Flacco needed his receivers to get open so he could throw or he's screwed. Hes not Vick or Cam Newton. If he ran the ball there is a pretty good chance he would fumble it...so I'd prefer he did not run much.

[Dfence4champs2052]

This is all moot. Flacco called himself elite essentially and has thoroughly demonstrated he is not bottom line. He put himself in Brady, Manning, Brees category and they "carry" their teams when need be. And a lot more often then not if they aren't winning the game for the team they certainly aren't going to lose it.

[Dfence4champs2052]

[quote name='theFRANCHISE' timestamp='1319523727' post='836176']
With Peyton Manning perhaps being the exception, it's rare for a QB to singlehandedly win games. And quite frankly, only the elite ones do it.

Flacco isn't elite -- but the Ravens don't need him to be. An elite QB doesn't guarantee a Super Bowl victory. It certainly helps the chances, but no guarantee. [b]Otherwise, Brady, Brees, Manning, and Rodgers would win championships every season.[/b]
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Ok....they....have. '06, '09, '10 the most recent......wow.