MERGED: 8 Carries and the Suggs Reaction

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1319519089' post='835855']
LOL i cant believe it finally it comes out, no more hiding it now. [u][b]Its official, time to take shots at people. If you cant stand the heat ------get low.[/b][/u]
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that line is hilarious! i rolled when i read it! LOL!

[quote name='I AM LEGEND' timestamp='1319519552' post='835900']
Wouldn't u be mad if u were on ESPN earlier in the week talking a bunch of trash talking about other teams Qb's and coaches and then your team shows up and plays like this...
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Wayne...i thought about that to bruh! T-Sizzle was over the top in speaking out against teams, players and coaches. was tonight's loss Karma for his actions and words? maybe like Woodley speaking against Joe Flacco and then getting blown out in week 1. hmmm...

~Mili

[Ravenslifer]

8 carries. You know you're playing a weak run defense, you know you have an all star running back, you know your quarterback is much more comfortable running play action passes. But no. I just don't get Cam Cameron. He was on the Chargers in 2006 when they rode LT to a 14-2 record. We need to do the same thing, get Joe to throw in comfortable situations. Yes, we know he can make all of the throws, but that doesn't mean you ride him when you're best offensive playmaker is your running back. Call Marty Schottenheimer Cam, he'll tell you what to do.

[BenDufusberger]

It's not just that Rice was benched , it's that they only had 12 total rush plays compared to 38 pass plays. I don't care if the Jags were stacking the line , there's no way to keep them honest with that kind of play imbalance.

It neuters any benefit of play-action , and there's no way you can probe the defensive line for weaknesses if you only run 12 times.

That's ALL on Cam , and it was a major screw-up.

[rlh445]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1319520031' post='835946']
8 carries. You know you're playing a weak run defense, you know you have an all star running back, you know your quarterback is much more comfortable running play action passes. But no. I just don't get Cam Cameron. He was on the Chargers in 2006 when they rode LT to a 14-2 record. We need to do the same thing, get Joe to throw in comfortable situations. Yes, we know he can make all of the throws, but that doesn't mean you ride him when you're best offensive playmaker is your running back. Call Marty Schottenheimer Cam, he'll tell you what to do.
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That 'weak run defense' was blowing the Hell out of Ray Rice all night...I'm not sure what people are seeing.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='bravensfan52' timestamp='1319519684' post='835912']
Check his twitter comments cant post it on the boards
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I'm only seeing two tweets, and compared to what I would say in a similar position it's quite mild. Respected guys like Suggs need to throw Cam under the bus, as Suggs is more important to this franchise than Cam. Something's has to change, and the players and the fans need to push for it to make sure it happens this year.

He should be pissed, our entire defense should be pissed. Cam Cameron is screwing over a defense that held a team to 12 points. If you can't win like that you don't deserve to win anything. This game is all on the offense.

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[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1319519900' post='835935']
Rice was getting nothing on the runs he did get. I don't think we would have won getting 3.7 YPC. I think this reinforces my point that Ray Rice is not the elite back that some people here are making him out to be.
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MJD won the game with 3.9 YPC. 8 carries is not enough, we need to put the ball into the hands of our playmakers.

[ratedr]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1319519913' post='835937']

that line is hilarious! i rolled when i read it! LOL!



Wayne...i thought about that to bruh! T-Sizzle was over the top in speaking out against teams, players and coaches. was tonight's loss Karma for his actions and words? maybe like Woodley speaking against Joe Flacco and then getting blown out in week 1. hmmm...

~Mili
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Ha Mili this is EXACTLY what I was thinking. As soon as I saw T-Sizzle talking all kinds of shizzz I said uh oh.

By the way...still think I worry too much? We still can't beat the cover 2.

[atljbo]

Not to be that negative guy But Boldin was basically in the middle of the field would have created a big gain but Flacco missed him.... Flacco also took a sack that took you guys out or FG range.


No doubt i saw some questionable play calling in this game... The OC should get a fair share of the game but so should flacco and that whole office (Ray Rice fumble)

If you guys ran it more.. I dont think it would have made a Huge difference... The was dead focused on stopping the run and the big plays... Flacco was going to have to beat them even if he was played the check down king tonight.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='Intercepted' timestamp='1319520176' post='835958']

MJD won the game with 3.9 YPC. 8 carries is not enough, we need to put the ball into the hands of our playmakers.
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Are you seriously going to act like that won them the game when 3 of their 4 field goals were from over 50 yards? I know he broke 100 but their whole offense did nothing.

[tsale4506]

Don't want to hear the " they stacked the box" arguement. 8 carries? We made ourselves one dimensional. This offense under CAM doesn't work without PA. Flacco played like garbage, but when the defense KNOWS you are going to throw, it's not that hard to defend with bump n run coverage/cover 2.. We just gave the rest of the NFL the gameplan to beat us...on MNF, how embarassing....

[SizzleSuggs55]

[quote name='True' timestamp='1319519132' post='835859']
Ray Rice made mistakes no doubt, but to bench your playmaker and leader on MNF isn't going to help correct it. Let him get loose and make up for it with big plays. Inexcusable by the coaching.
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exactly! did you see MJD get benched after fumbling 3 arguably 4 times! no and he ran for what close to 90 yards..idk a decent number.. cams a homer and gets too one dimensional when he could have a two dimensional offense if he would just learn how to balance both the passing game and the running at the proper times.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='ratedr' timestamp='1319520206' post='835963']
Ha Mili this is EXACTLY what I was thinking. As soon as I saw T-Sizzle talking all kinds of shizzz I said uh oh.

By the way...[b]still think I worry too much? [/b]We still can't beat the cover 2.
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good one ratedr! lol! but i am sure you will worry, be scared or concerned about the Ravens vs Cardinals as well...lol!

seriously though, this was just a trash game offensively. that is what i am calling it...trash!

~Mili

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='tsale4506' timestamp='1319520914' post='836019']
Don't want to hear the " they stacked the box" arguement. 8 carries? We made ourselves one dimensional. [u][b]This offense under CAM [/b][/u]doesn't work without PA. Flacco played like garbage, but when the defense KNOWS you are going to throw, it's not that hard to defend with bump n run coverage/cover 2.. We just gave the rest of the NFL the gameplan to beat us...on MNF, how embarassing....
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this offense under Cam is pure trash!

~Mili

[ratedr]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1319521507' post='836060']

good one ratedr! lol! but i am sure you will worry, be scared or concerned about the Ravens vs Cardinals as well...lol!

seriously though, this was just a trash game offensively. that is what i am calling it...trash!

~Mili
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Nah, I'm not worried about the Cards at all. They are nothing compared to the Jags on D, and it's a home game. And Flacco will have a great game, because that's his pattern this year.

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[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1319520436' post='835981']

Are you seriously going to act like that won them the game when 3 of their 4 field goals were from over 50 yards? I know he broke 100 but their whole offense did nothing.
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I'm not trying to say he won the game for them. YPC isn't everything. Like the other posters pointed out, we shouldn't abandon the running game like we did today.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1319520112' post='835951']

That 'weak run defense' was blowing the Hell out of Ray Rice all night...I'm not sure what people are seeing.
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He had 8 carries. Jones Drew had 30, and I'm 200 percent sure that our run defense is better than the jaguars' run defense. Jones-Derw rung up 100 on us because our D was tired, we kept getting 3 and outs, and we lost time of possession because we didn't run the ball. They had a top 10 passing defense and a bottom 5 run defense, and we chose to throw on them.

[blaqreign]

I saw Sizzles Tweets about an hour ago and the Brotha is thoroughly pissed off. He Has every reason to be. When will the organization learn that Cam is not the answer. For someone on the proverbial " hot seat " he's seems to be chilling in his Lazy Boy eating popcorn while the Offense is drowning week by week. I don get it

[Trilogique]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1319522178' post='836102']

He had 8 carries. Jones Drew had 30, and I'm 200 percent sure that our run defense is better than the jaguars' run defense. Jones-Derw rung up 100 on us because our D was tired, we kept getting 3 and outs, and we lost time of possession because we didn't run the ball. They had a top 10 passing defense and a bottom 5 run defense, and we chose to throw on them.
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Yeah. Cam stuck to his plan of "pass early, run late" too much. It was dumb passing as much as we did.

[blazeon32]

The biggest problem on the team is the offensive line and no quick screens across the middle to beat the pass rush. Flacco is not good at moving around in the pocket. He needs an offensive line that can both pass block and run block. THis line did none of that. What is the problem? And don't tell me they haven't jelled. It's six games in with a bye, and they still haven't jelled. No more excuses. Light a fire under their butts. Harbaugh needs to start holding players accountable for not doing their jobs. You, me, any of us would've been fired from our jobs if we were that inept.

[rlh445]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1319522178' post='836102']

He had 8 carries. Jones Drew had 30, and I'm 200 percent sure that our run defense is better than the jaguars' run defense. Jones-Derw rung up 100 on us because our D was tired, we kept getting 3 and outs, and we lost time of possession because we didn't run the ball. They had a top 10 passing defense and a bottom 5 run defense, and we chose to throw on them.
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We weren't getting any kind of push up front. Rice was repeatedly hit for losses. We weren't passing well, we weren't blocking well and we weren't running well. Rice had a fumble, Ricky almost had a fumble and obviously our Oline wasn't to be trusted. I think we should have gone back to the run as well, but by the time Cam got his collective stuff together it was way too late for that.

[Trilogique]

[quote name='blaqreign' timestamp='1319522416' post='836114']
I saw Sizzles Tweets about an hour ago and the Brotha is thoroughly pissed off. He Has every reason to be. When will the organization learn that Cam is not the answer. For someone on the proverbial " hot seat " he's seems to be chilling in his Lazy Boy eating popcorn while the Offense is drowning week by week. I don get it
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Yep. I'm seriously wondering when the Ravens will address Cam's bad playcalling straight up instead of the usual canned responses. Glad to see Suggs getting more direct.

[blitzking33]

Sizzle speaks... BYE BYE CAM

[blazeon32]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1319522593' post='836120']

We weren't getting any kind of push up front. Rice was repeatedly hit for losses. We weren't passing well, we weren't blocking well and we weren't running well. Rice had a fumble, Ricky almost had a fumble and obviously our Oline wasn't to be trusted. I think we should have gone back to the run as well, but by the time Cam got his collective stuff together it was way too late for that.
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Once again, the o-line is the biggest weakness on this team. Oher is worthless as a right and left tackle, and Mickinnie, Gurode, and even Birk were being pushed back all night. Blame Cam if you want, but the players need to step up as well. In my opinion, I find this O-line to be very lazy. Not much any offense can do with that constant blow up in the middle and on the ends.

[blaqreign]

[quote name='Trilogique' timestamp='1319522620' post='836123']
Yep. I'm seriously wondering when the Ravens will address Cam's bad playcalling straight up instead of the usual canned responses. Glad to see Suggs getting more direct.
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Seriously! I'm not going to bash the man because I can't say that I would do any better but the mentality of the Ravens Organization....Next man up...Best player available also needs to be applied to coaching. Clearly this man is not getting the job done. When I can call the play from home just by seeing the formation it's getting bad. The more they Pacify the worse the situation will get.

[reediddy]

[quote name='1bodaciousraven' timestamp='1319519089' post='835854']
I want to know why the ravens can't run the hurry up offense.
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it's atrocious. there is never a sense of urgency

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1319522593' post='836120']

We weren't getting any kind of push up front. Rice was repeatedly hit for losses. We weren't passing well, we weren't blocking well and we weren't running well. Rice had a fumble, Ricky almost had a fumble and obviously our Oline wasn't to be trusted. I think we should have gone back to the run as well, but by the time Cam got his collective stuff together it was way too late for that.
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I think we both agree, it doesn't matter if it's not working, you have to keep trying it, at least for the sake of eating up the clock and resting your defense. Rice getting 8 carries means one of two things, either we tried running very early, couldn't, and just gave up, or we ran so sporadically that we couldn't establish any kind of rhythm.

[reediddy]

[quote name='rlh445' timestamp='1319522593' post='836120']

We weren't getting any kind of push up front. Rice was repeatedly hit for losses. We weren't passing well, we weren't blocking well and we weren't running well. Rice had a fumble, Ricky almost had a fumble and obviously our Oline wasn't to be trusted. I think we should have gone back to the run as well, but by the time Cam got his collective stuff together it was way too late for that.
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Can't blame Cam for how poorly our O-line played. though we can blame him on the fact that he always comes out passing rather than running. RR seemed out of it today though. Demoralized after the fumble

[wayne]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1319519913' post='835937']

that line is hilarious! i rolled when i read it! LOL!



Wayne...i thought about that to bruh! T-Sizzle was over the top in speaking out against teams, players and coaches. was tonight's loss Karma for his actions and words? maybe like Woodley speaking against Joe Flacco and then getting blown out in week 1. hmmm...

~Mili
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Its me right here Mili, I'm not that " I Am Legend " on this forum,lol. Anyways, did anyone see one slant route ran the whole game? Suggs and the entire D should be pissed and has the right to do so, this offensive performance has to be one of the worst ever for any team ( forget just the franchise ). Like I have said before, Cam needs to drop the constant 5-7 step drops for some 3 step drop plays. Ease the 5-7 step drop plays into the game but we don't have the O-line ,WR's, or QB that we thought we had for that gameplan to be consistently successful. Atleast know the teams are the times to use that game plan on , don't use it regardless of the circumstances trying to force it into being successful.

Maybe we overrate the offensive talent that we think we have on this team. Your size, your 40 time, it all means nothing when there is no chemistry or rhythm amongst everyone. On paper, we super talented but that's about it.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

The only thing I can say about that is say some more Suggs. Flacco was bad last night but keeping Cam around is wasting a talented team. Half of our games this year have been marred by bad or much worse offensive performances. Surely if he was on the hotseat before the season he's just about out the door now.

[TXRaven]

He should be angry all of us should but this was a total team loss on the offense, can't just blame one player or coach, Everyone on the offensive side of the ball had a hand in this.