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[CorvusCorax]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1319517727' post='835628']There has to be someone on the Offense that knows we have to play a hurry up offense with 2 scores to be made in under 4 1/2 mins, let alone Coaching staff. I thought it was a Problem with the Titans game. Did they not realize it then??? [b]Fool[/b] me once shame on you, [b]fool[/b] me twice same on me. This is a serious problem, Why is it that i see Rookie QBs [b]who don't[/b] have problem with taking control of the Offense and putting some pep in their Step.[/quote]


Fixed.

I blame it on Cam for his play calling. You want the offense, you have it. Now do something with it for crying out loud.

[Milton145]

Joe Flacco is our QB. Therefore I'm going to accept him as that and be fine with it until he officially not a Baltimore Raven anymore. No Tyrod Taylor isn't the answer like some may think either. But we should really stop making excuses for him though, honestly. It's no doubt he's played like crap [b]overall[/b] for the entire season. Oh, his line is bad, his receivers get no separation, no run game.

First off, Flacco doesn't capitalize on the opportunities given to him. They replayed a few plays last night where he straight up just misses the receivers with bad accuracy. Him constantly overthrowing Torrey Smith just kills me as well. Torrey could be having a remarkable rookie season if Flacco could consistently drop the ball into his hands. You can have a strong arm but if you have no accuracy...what is the strong arm good for?

Oh, Flacco had no run game.
...SO WHAT? He is supposedly our franchise QB so he should be able to make up for it. The great, elite QBs (that most of us CLAIM Flacco is) would have found a way to play through the adversity.

We are using the adversity he's facing as a crutch for Flacco's bad play but that just doesn't cut it. May sound harsh but it doesn't. You can't honestly tell me with a straight face that if we had a true Franchise QB in Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger (at least..) we still wouldn't have won this game because with all the opportunities that the defense gave us, it's actually a pretty pathetic thing we only scored 7 points.

A few minutes after the first half I said to myself "this is going to be an ugly game offensively...especially for Flacco" and I was right. Does the offense overall need to play better? Yes. BUT we simply can't go around calling Joe our Franchise QB if he can't help us win games like these...if he can't rally us back. The dude chokes when the game is solely on his shoulders.

[BmoreRavens732]

If the O line played bad n the WR couldn't get seperation n cam sucks like always how's it joes fault? People need to think b4 posting

[ravensdfan]

Whatever dude. Two words for you.

Cam Cameron.

Rice was a butterfingers last night. Fumbles, dropped 2 perfect throws from Flacco. Should we talk about how inconsistent he is?

The O line can't protect in the least. They've been pretty inconsistent as well.

You can overcome some things. You can overcome no run game. You can dance around and buy time to make up for lack of protection. You can keep on passing the ball when your check down guy suddenly can't catch and hope it gets better. You can even rise above the bad play call here and there. But you cannot rise above ALL of those things going on at one time. And that is what happened on Monday night.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

For most of the early part of the game their defense was excellent. They got consistent pressure rushing only four men and the coverage was air tight. What really annoys me is the lack of desire all across the board to change the way things are going.

Cam called an awful game. Ray Rice is an elite offensive weapon, let him run the ball more than twice a quarter.

Flacco didn't look interested in trying to fire up the offense and lead them down the field.

Harbs looked like he hadn't got a freaking clue what was going on.

It's getting a lot harder to defend Flacco after he and the rest of the offense turn putrid performances in like this but Cam should be the first one out of the door. My only fear is that because we're "still in the race" Harbs won't have the balls to cut ties with him.

[Magnusmd]

[quote name='Ravenslifer' timestamp='1319515163' post='835301']
Can someone explain to me how the Jags let Jones-Drew carry the ball 30 times and Ray Rice has 8, yes 8, carries the whole game?
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[color="#000000"]Cam Cameron nuff said[/color]

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='PeRK82' timestamp='1319517727' post='835628']
There has to be someone on the Offense that knows we have to play a hurry up offense with 2 scores to be made in under 4 1/2 mins, let alone Coaching staff. I thought it was a Problem with the Titans game. Did they not realize it then???

Full me once shame on you, full me twice same on me. This is a serious problem, Why is it that i see Rookie QBs [b]who don't[/b] have problem with taking control of the Offense and putting some pep in their Step.
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Because they don't have Cam as their OC. OMG. Did no one actually watch this game? Flacco was ticked and beyond frustrated because he had to wait for plays from Cam. He wouldn't even call in more than one play at a time to help speed things up. He cost us around 2 mins and a time out because he will not relinquish control and he's slow.

[terp4life30]

I dont care about how pathetic we looked on O, Harbaugh still gets all the blame because he had a major brian cramp at the end of the game. We led the league in touchbacks last year and we know Cundiff can crush the ball out of the endzone. 202 on the clock, if you hit it out of the endzone, we have 2 timeouts and the 2 minute warning. Wouldnt you bet our D gets them 3 and out..the percentages of that are a lot higher than recovering a onside kick.

If the jags go three and out, we get the ball around the 30 and we only need a FG instead of 6. I cant believe not one coach on the ravens could think of that. If you dont trust Cundiff's leg kick it out of bounds at te 10. They would have started at the 40 and still not been in FG position. Makes 0 sense to try the onside kick there.

[SecretAgentMan]

It wasn't Flacco's fault, it was Cam's and the OLine. Cam just screws him alltogether, we need like a former QB to coach Flacco, not this guy. The Oline just did horrible. This leads to preassure on the QB, which then leads Joe to make bad decisions. The entire offense didn't help. Recivers couldn't get open, Ray couldn't run, and Flacco wasn't protected. We need Grubbs and Evans back. Now

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='Trilogique' timestamp='1319516632' post='835450']
The first 58 minutes? Our receivers and o-line. Last 2 minutes? Joe.
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I disagree about the last 2 mins. Abysmal play calling, Harbaugh's idiotic decision to go for the onsides kick and Cam's refusal to relinquish any control with the hurry up put us about 2 mins short of time and with one less time out needing a TD instead of a FG. He had to try to force something because we needed the entire field.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='FerrariFan87' timestamp='1319516896' post='835487']
Offensive line, coaching (except Pagano), and Flacco... [b]he's really taken a step back this year.[/b] It's pretty scary. We're going to get blown out of the water in Pittsburgh two Sunday nights from now.
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It was my biggest fear and one that I expressed at the end of last season when they stuck with Cam and removed Horn (the only sane guy with some offensive control). Cam will ruin Flacco before this season is over if Harbaugh doesn't take the control away from him.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1319537906' post='836360']
Whatever dude. Two words for you.

Cam Cameron.

Rice was a butterfingers last night. Fumbles, dropped 2 perfect throws from Flacco. Should we talk about how inconsistent he is?

The O line can't protect in the least. They've been pretty inconsistent as well.

You can overcome some things. You can overcome no run game. You can dance around and buy time to make up for lack of protection. You can keep on passing the ball when your check down guy suddenly can't catch and hope it gets better. You can even rise above the bad play call here and there. But you cannot rise above ALL of those things going on at one time. And that is what happened on Monday night.
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This. Credit must go to the Jacksonville defense who played an excellent game but everything was horrible on offense last night.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

Everybody on offense and Cam Cameron. The receivers get off a little lighter because they were covered really well but everyone else was bad.

[Corvus]

All I can say is I've NEVER been more embarassed with this offense. Not losing to the winless Dolphins in '07, not when we were getting blown out by the Colts and Giants in 08, not losing to the Steelers' in last years' playoffs. But last night, in a game that our defense and special teams ensured was winnable and the entire offense AND Cameron perform the way they did. I didn't even watch the second half after that horrendous 1st half and it looks like I missed nothing other than some more poor coaching and playcalling and execution at the end...

[GrimCoconut]

1) Cam Cameron and his play calling were very questionable. You don't pass that much. You have to run the ball better and more.
2) The Offensive Line because you can't win a football game if M. Oher gets at least 2 penalties a game, and Gurode getting his share of penalties, too. The lack of discipline with the line may be one of our biggest issues. They let Joe get too much pressure.
3) Ray Rice because he truly meant what he said when he said he was trying to match MJD--even in fumbles. Not sure what happened to Rice today, but it's interesting how when Rice does bad our whole offense shuts down. We stopped running as much when Rice stalled, too. That caused us to turn more to the pass, and the defense just knew it.
4) BA 51 because of his bone-headed ejection. Who does that? You have to keep your passion in check. The JAGS were trying to get that penalty and he bit hard.
5) Really bad officiating by the officials. There are too many examples to list, but seriously? Unnecessary roughness on Pollard for helmet to helmet for a perfect tackle? Ridiculous. There were also many PIs in the game that weren't called. Let's also remember letting the kickoff team get 11 men on the field.
6) Billy Cundiff. I'm sorry, but if you get the opportunity to put points on the board, you make that kick as a kicker. If he made that kick, we would have won. I don't care about anything else. I know the whole team lost this game. But Billy had to make that field goal, and that field goal would have won us the game. He could not miss, and he did--the kick was even WIDE right. Not sure where he was kicking. I know it was a far kick, but it was so critical. He also botched the onside kick. If he did a better job we could have won from that opportunity, even if Harbaugh's call was questionable.
7) Wide receivers were blanketed the whole game and could not get separation. That was some of the tightest coverage I've seen from a secondary. The receivers also couldn't catch except for T Smith.
8) Dawan Landry because I am convinced he told the Jags all our secrets he could.
9) Joe Flacco because he was very inaccurate today. I don't put the game on his shoulders. I don't see this game as his fault. His greatest problem last night was his inaccuracy, and I attribute that to the lack of chemistry with the receivers from the lockout.

I just hope Harbaugh punishes people this week. I hope we get the most intense practice ever. This team better wake up and realize they can't just come out and play poorly like this. I hope Ray Lewis sacrifices someone. Maybe that will help us get our groove.

The inconsistency of our team is really beginning to concern me. We are better than we have been playing and we need to start playing like we want to win on offense. Another game like this one is unacceptable.

[SuRihtanil]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1319516552' post='835435']
the offense was trash tonight!

~Mili
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I seen o-line picking up a few key blitz, I seen our HB and FB laying down linebackers... What was Joe Flacco doing with those free seconds? Oh! That's right he was over throwing WR, under throwing WR and deer in the headlights taking sacks. There is only so much a O-line can do when 7 is in the box coming, throw the dang ball!

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='SuRihtanil' timestamp='1319542519' post='836433']

I seen them picking up a few key blitz, I seen our HB and FB laying down linebackers... What was Joe Flacco doing with those free seconds? Oh! That's right he was over throwing WR, under throwing WR and deer in the headlights taking sacks. There is only so much a O-line can do when 7 is in the box coming, throw the dang ball.
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To whom? He only missed one open receiver all night. They were not getting open, Rice was dropping perfectly thrown balls. Once again I ask....to whom was he to throw the ball to? Everyone wants to say "this was overthrown, this was underthrown". Did you not see those guys in blue draped all over our receivers? (lots of non calls on PI but that's another story) He has to put the ball in a spot that lessens the chance of an interception and trust his receivers to fight to get it.

[JMONET23]

The offense of line and wr are to blame. Flacco had no time to throw the ball and the wide receivers gave him no help. His interception last night was Dickson fault because he should've came to the ball instead of waiting for it to come to him. Our Offense has been the problem year after year. Fix it now

[H8R]

Another point, why is it that Flacco is not willing to run the ball when a play breaks down? He had a number of chances where he could have gotten us 4-5 yars at a minimum when he was flushed out of the pocket. I understand the thought of making a big play, I get it.... but you HAVE to salvage things sometimes, at LEAST flip the field position battle.

[BloodRaven]

All of the praise but none of the blame. Got it.

[H8R]

Sorry, Joe has to be able to rally these guys. Lead them, show some tenacity. Men respond to LEADERS ( not slack jawed game managers), sadly...Joe isnt one of them. He's not the first QB that has fallen guilty to bad OLINE play. Even when he had time to throw the ball ...and even if the WR was open, he was inaccurate, his mechanics were HORRENDOUS and he has ZERO control of this offense's momentum ( if thats his fault or not, we'll never know)

[Magnusmd]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1319544934' post='836486']
Sorry, Joe has to be able to rally these guys. Lead them, show some tenacity. Men respond to LEADERS ( not slack jawed game managers), sadly...Joe isnt one of them. He's not the first QB that has fallen guilty to bad OLINE play. Even when he had time to throw the ball ...and even if the WR was open, he was inaccurate, his mechanics were HORRENDOUS and he has ZERO control of this offense's momentum ( if thats his fault or not, we'll never know)
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How can Joe lead when Cam won't let him?

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1319544934' post='836486']
Sorry, Joe has to be able to rally these guys. Lead them, show some tenacity. Men respond to LEADERS ( not slack jawed game managers), sadly...Joe isnt one of them. He's not the first QB that has fallen guilty to bad OLINE play. Even when he had time to throw the ball ...and even if the WR was open, he was inaccurate, his mechanics were HORRENDOUS and [b]he has ZERO control of this offense's momentum ( if thats his fault or not, we'll never know)[/b]
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I disagree. We DO know. Clearly, Joe was frustrated and ticked about how long he had to wait for the plays coming from Cam on that hurry up drive. Cam is still in the drivers' seat and it is ludicrous to throw Joe under the bus until we get a real OC in here. Then we can fairly evaluate Flacco.

[play2ilay]

At somepoint the Flacco experiment has to come to an end. The guy shows no emotion and at times looks as if he is lost. I do agree the O-Line has issues, but come on now. A rookie can lead Jacksonville down the field for 4 scores and we get 1 in 60 mins. Cam is a joke and further more I would have liked to have seen Tyrod. He couldn't have done any worse. Ozzie, Harbaugh or whomever, needs to really re-evaluate the OFFENSE and make changes or we may finish 3rd in our division!!!

[Magnusmd]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1319545073' post='836490']

I disagree. We DO know. Clearly, Joe was frustrated and ticked about how long he had to wait for the plays coming from Cam on that hurry up drive. Cam is still in the drivers' seat and it is ludicrous to throw Joe under the bus until we get a real OC in here. Then we can fairly evaluate Flacco.
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totally agree, yes Joe still played poorly, but to put all the balme on Joe is just silly

[izvoodoo]

Truth is this was a team effort. No one here is without blame.

[beach08]

The LEADER has to be able to LEAD in order the STUDENT to LEARN!!! It's becomes more obvious year after year the LEADER has failed to LEAD!!!!

As we all know, leadership is one of the key elements to success in any field.

[Ravenslifer]

8 carries for Rice. 8. I think Flacco would have at least played better (at least I pray he would have) if the Jag's defense had to account for Rice and we could have run play action. At the very least, the defense wouldn't have been so gassed by halftime.

[arnie_uk]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1319539218' post='836383']

Because they don't have Cam as their OC. OMG. Did no one actually watch this game? Flacco was ticked and beyond frustrated because he had to wait for plays from Cam. He wouldn't even call in more than one play at a time to help speed things up. He cost us around 2 mins and a time out because he will not relinquish control and he's slow.
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this!

If he gave him 2/3 plays they could just go without wasting time for a couple, then when on one of the plays he get sout of bounds, give him a few more.. instead of one play, call another, run it, call another... give him all three at once and let him go, then call more plays when the clock is stopped..

you could see joe was not happy with it, i seen him throw his arms iin disgust, first time i have seen him show emotion and it was at CAM, i think that says alot

[JMONET23]

Cam Cameron needs to be fired that's why we lost