MERGED: Biggest Problem-Blame Game

[Alexir]

[quote name='jaege' timestamp='1319516307' post='835409']
Joe was bad. Gabbert looked better. At least he was making throws into coverage. The team let us down.
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The offense let us down. The Defense let them score 9 points all game, as they were tired from the lack of offense and all the 3 and outs by Cam and company. Then an onside kick put them in FG range which they make for their 12th point yet Webb almost blocks it.

Flacco and the offense (Cam huge part of that) let us down. Harbaugh benching Rice for a couple of plays ticked me off too.

[Trilogique]

The first 58 minutes? Our receivers and o-line. Last 2 minutes? Joe.

[Ravenslifer]

8 carries. That's what gets the blame. Who calls the plays, Cam "audibles are overrated" Cameron. We were down by less than 2 TDs the whole game. Run the ball. That is all.

[H8R]

I WILL NOT apologize for Joe Flacco anymore. Until he proves he's actually a QB that can take us to the next level, I WON'T believe it. You all know Ive stood behind him, I can no longer do that, not with the hot garbage I saw tonight ( and for most of the season)

[ravensfan2430]

O-line--- Coaching----Flacco In that order

[ball hawkin 20]

Just saw a facebook post by NFL Network asking if Flacco could take us to a SB. I said no. Welcome back to the middle of the pack.

[lowrider]

I'm thinking something like everyone but Torrey Smith on the offense. He is the only guy who I can say made plays. Everyone else on the offense just makes me sick

[Baltimoreravenfan]

Wow, I'm shocked and embarrassed you call that raven football; we were beat in every way, shape and form these little passes and only three long passes down field, Joe needs to learn to run down the field when he is chased out of the pocket not to the side line all the time. Pittsburgh loved watching this one, boy our feathers [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/minioiseau1.gif[/img] were plucked tonight. It's only two loses lets keep it to that, Please don't walk into Pittsburgh playing like that ......

[PurpleCorsair]

First 3 drives were literally

4 yard run ->incomplete pass -> run for loss....
Cam, c'mon man!

[FerrariFan87]

Offensive line, coaching (except Pagano), and Flacco... he's really taken a step back this year. It's pretty scary. We're going to get blown out of the water in Pittsburgh two Sunday nights from now.

[Ravens Beast]

[quote name='Trilogique' timestamp='1319516632' post='835450']
The first 58 minutes? Our receivers and o-line. Last 2 minutes? Joe.
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Then again...it shouldn't have come down to it. They wouldn't even have had 7 points if it wasn't for Flacco. GET OUT OF HERE.

[RavensFTWCary.W]

our defense played well, they werent great, but they were not bad. Who to blame? Who is the biggest problem? I have been saying this for the past 3 years, Cam Cameron.. I hate it when the announcers praise him, they should not be praising him. Too be honest im not even a flacco fan, but i feel like he could end up being being good if cam is gone, if we get a better o coordinator or flacco steps up and calls his own plays.
Yes, Baltimore Has never been a passing team, always a running and defensive teams, but dammit we have such a good offense, the only position we lack is QB!!!!!!!! Is that Flaccos fault for sucking or cam cameron for being such a horirble cordinator.

We have the best O line in the league, we have the best blocking full back in the league, we have a GREAT running back, we have good TE's and Good Receivers. Not having Lee evans and Grubbs in hurts, but we still have the talent to play without them.
I am also not a fan of torrey smith, he is a good player, but he will never be anyone for the ravens. We just cannot make receivers, torey will be another donte stallworth, atleast he is off to a better start than donte though

Last year we had the best talent set of wide recievers, yet we still couldnt do anything, this year we have a great offensive team, yet we still cant do anything. dammit ozzie fire cameron.

I expect alot of people to bash me, but i dont care this is my opinion, people need to stop praising cameron, flacco, and torey smith.
Laqaun Williams and Tandon Doss > Torey Smith for the ravens because they are possession receivers and possession receivers always do well on the ravens. I rather have the easy first down not flacco throwing 5 deep balls a game to torey smith. GOD i hope cameron doesn't use Lee Evans that way, would be a waste of a 4th round pick and a great player

We still have Pitsburgh, the chargers, and colts week 14 (manning wants to return week 14, if so we are screwed because we choke vs manning)
Wait Nvm, we shouldn't underestimate any other team, if we lose to the damn jaguars. Sure they have a great defense, but damn we shouldn't be losing to them.
FIX= GET RID OF STUPID CAMERON.

[True]

Sorry can't keep blaming the OL for every woes on the offense. I've heard this excuse for the last 3 seasons. You can't expect the Ravens to have 1st round talent across the whole line. In the NFL you will have at best 4-5 seconds to make a decision, usually even less. You adjust and put less pressure on your OL by making adjustments in the game. Part of it is on the OL, the OC, and the QB. You can't basically scapegoat the OL just because it's a nameless entity and easy to blame.

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1319514242' post='835046']The o-line was bad, but you gotta give Flacco a big chunk of the blame as well. Gabbert looked better than him playing a far better defense and having significantly less talent around him on offense.[/quote]
Well said.

[tctony]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1319516552' post='835435']
the offense was trash tonight!

~Mili
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Thats for sure. Let up 12 (3 of which they shouldn't have had) points and lose the game? Weak.

[D_UP]

This is the order flacco then flacco and then flacco. Heres my reason why cam and harbaugh said he audibles then why not check out those horrible plays. Secondly he said he is the elite leader and the offense will be up to par. I know people will disagree but give me a break this guy doesn't have what it takes he isn't smart football player, he doesn't read defenses well yea yea yea he throws a good deep ball so did Jeff George. This guy isn't the answer people can make all the excuses they want blame rice blame the o-line the wr but he is not a good leader he doesn't inspire anyone on offense he a space cadet on the slide man I'm fed up with this guy if we win the Super Bowl it will be inspite of this guy.

[bdravens]

I don't understand how anyone can justify running checkdown after checkdown with 3 minutes left in the game. Out routes have worked wonders for us in the past, and I think if they would have worked, we could have saved a lot of time instead of a 5 yard checkdown 3 plays in a row. Lots of wasted time.

[bravensfan52]

Can we suck 4 luck now :\

And dont hate on torrey he had the best 2 plays of the game

[PeRK82]

There has to be someone on the Offense that knows we have to play a hurry up offense with 2 scores to be made in under 4 1/2 mins, let alone Coaching staff. I thought it was a Problem with the Titans game. Did they not realize it then???

Full me once shame on you, full me twice same on me. This is a serious problem, Why is it that i see Rookie QBs [b]who don't[/b] have problem with taking control of the Offense and putting some pep in their Step.

[bdravens]

[quote name='D_UP' timestamp='1319517403' post='835563']
This is the order flacco then flacco and then flacco. Heres my reason why cam and harbaugh said he audibles then why not check out those horrible plays. Secondly he said he is the elite leader and the offense will be up to par. I know people will disagree but give me a break this guy doesn't have what it takes he isn't smart football player, he doesn't read defenses well yea yea yea he throws a good deep ball so did Jeff George. This guy isn't the answer people can make all the excuses they want blame rice blame the o-line the wr but he is not a good leader he doesn't inspire anyone on offense he a space cadet on the slide man I'm fed up with this guy if we win the Super Bowl it will be inspite of this guy.
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Its incredibly hard to accomplish anything offensively when you have guys in your face after a THREE step drop. Receivers got no separation tonight. Team effort, team loss.

[Mount-Cody]

I blame Cam for not running the ball enough.

[Footzilla]

Great point about the (many) rookie QB's who seem to handle this better than ours.

However, I do not believe time was a big factor for this one - almost two minutes to go with the "talent" we have... We'll have to agree to disagree on that; clock management was a minimal issue - poor decisions combined with poor execution can take the credit for this one, and not just for Flacco, but mostly Flacco this time - the team as a whole is of course responsible to some extent. After this disgrace clock management should be the least of our worries.

FZ

[H8R]

Rice was averaging under 2 YPC and put the ball on the carpet..... the OLine was getting pummeled in the trenches.

[bravensfan52]

Q did sadly no one else did

[CalvinSmoke]

[quote name='bravensfan52' timestamp='1319518343' post='835738']
Q did sadly no one else did
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yup, Q was trying to rally his troops

[Militant X 1]

Q was tryng to get everyone to move with some urgency but to no avail. smh!

~Mili

[baadbobby]

1) Cam - play calling and design
2) entire offense - execution
2a) Cam, because his game plan did not adjust or compensate at all for what was actually happening
3) Flacco - 'bout ime I give him a hit
4) Harbaugh/Biscotti - need to get rid of Cam and won't

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='H8R' timestamp='1319516701' post='835461']
I WILL NOT apologize for Joe Flacco anymore. Until he proves he's actually a QB that can take us to the next level, I WON'T believe it. You all know Ive stood behind him, I can no longer do that, not with the hot garbage I saw tonight ( and for most of the season)
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I'm tempted to join you, my faith in Flacco was rocked tonight, and I was a big Flacco supporter. If you can't beat the Jacksonville Jaguars you don't deserve respect as a QB. It's time for him to prove himself, I really can't make any excuse for tonight. He was off target, not that his receivers were much help, and that INT at the end of the game was unforgivable. I don't know who it was, but the shot from behind on the replay, I saw a guy open on the right side of the field, although I'm not sure who it was. It looked to me like Flacco looked Dickson down the entire time, and that makes for an easy INT. It's time for him to stop playing like a rookie, and I'm not wearing his jersey on gameday anymore unless he does.

[keebl3rs]

The offense had to wait for Cam to finish browsing his IHOP menu.. couldn't decide between the Sampler or Grand Slam breakfast.

[TheRavenouseD2008]

I think after the stupid penalties the refs were calling our qb just gave up

[BmoreRavens732]

Exactly what happened!!! Flacco costantly was looking at cam cuz he wasn't gettin the play out fast enuff...u could see the frustration on Joe cools face...this is exactly why cam has to go Joe is a fourth year QB who can't even make his own calls in hurry up situations when u need him to...cam wants all the power...flacco was supposed to have more control on offense..where's it at? I see rookies with a play calling band on n flaccos a fourth year QB who can't call a hurry up!!! Are u serious? I can see his rookie year n maybe his second year u don't trust him with it but he's not mentally challenged he's a QB with all the tools n mechanics including enuff brain power to lead a offense but the OC obviously won't let him...think about it!! Cams def holding Joe WAY back