Cam Cameron

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1319517204' post='835529']

Honestly, I can't argue with anything you say about Flacco this week. He deserves everything. But firing Harbaugh after this loss is irrational. Your looking at a coach that too the Ravens to the playoffs his first 3 seasons in a row. That's consistency, and there is very few coaches who have done that. The offense and Cameron has been a consistent problem, and Cameron has been on hot seat since last offseason. I agree that Harbaugh deserves blame, but firing Harbaugh would be foolish. But I'm on the fire Cameron train for sure.
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What part of the game can the Head coach COACH? I want a coach that can coach either offense or defense, and hire a Coordinator for the one he cant. We dont get that out of Harbs. Im tired of the coaches speech, and he is soft, and it looks like his players are coaching him.

[Adam Jones]

Two things particularly bother me about Cam Cameron:
1. We do need to use Pitta and Dickson, but TE screens are not the way to do it. We are blessed to have two young and athletic TE's and we do not utilize them enough/correctly.
2. We have been sending receivers in motion and lining them up behind the O-Line for run plays. I don't know why we have done this the last three weeks, as it is a blatant giveaway that we will be running the ball on that play. I understand moving the FB or a TE around behind the line, but is Torrey Smith really going to do much work in the box?

[JO_75]

Cam Cameron needs to go ASAP.

Phillip Rivers & Drew Brees have done very well without Cam, and Joe can do the same. I guarantee our offense will be better without Cam, and Joe will be a better QB without Cam.

[Free Agent]

One of the main problems on offense was that the WRs couldnt get open. Last year that wouldve been largely the WRs faults, but this year we have younger, faster WRs, who shouldve and couldve been able to get open. Cam Cameron is largely, if not fully, to blame.

[T3hRaven]

The options should be yes and very yes. I've been saying he needs to go since last season and I'm so glad it's socially acceptable again to bash this bum. He does not adjust his gameplan ever, and that's going to kill us. There's only so much the players can do to alter the calls in the game, even if Flacco was allowed to have full control. Our team is not going to progress with Cam Cameron any more. There's no excuse not to bring in a new offense this year, with the whole off-season. I don't care who's it is, hopefully the Texans suck it up so we can get Kubiak since he makes Schaub look like a Pro Bowler, but we need a change.

I can't stay away for the week and miss all the awesome Cam bashing. I've been waiting for this all season.

[jdynamite]

I'm trying to understand how we were down 6 or 9 PTs most of the game.... And yet we didn't run the ball at all meanwhile jones-drew got 30 Carries on us regardless of fumbles.

I guess I shouldn't be so hard on Cam after all Harbaugh let's him continue to call same old plays even after half time.

We always waste timeouts every game on 3rd downs and short... It's pathetic.

[Guest DrVenture45]

I'm too tired to keep talking about this fiasco...

[lowrider]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1319517820' post='835646']
What part of the game can the Head coach COACH? I want a coach that can coach either offense or defense, and hire a Coordinator for the one he cant. We dont get that out of Harbs. Im tired of the coaches speech, and he is soft, and it looks like his players are coaching him.
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Just because he isn't a defensive specialist doesn't mean he isn't a good coach. So much more goes into being a head coach than that. And your kidding yourself if you think that the players are coaching him. Harbaugh gets this team emotional ready, week after week (in general) and is the leader for this team. Now it's easy to point out one game and say, oo look he is the problem. He makes many behind the scenes decisions that we don't see. But think about this. This coaching staff/team must be doing something right if they are winning (in general) with your boy getting the snaps behind the center. I get that we lost and people deserve blame. But you don't have a leg to stand on to fire Harbaugh after this game.

[True]

Considering his strong relationship with John Harbaugh, I believe the call will have to be made from either the GM or owner.

[BaltimoreBean]

I gave Cam a lot of credit for his play calling in the Pitt game, and I thought he finally woke up. I guess when you have a whole off-season to plan for 1 game...

[Bmoreazfan]

Lets wait until the off season to act like horrible fans and urge them to rip the organization apart mid season. I am 100% behind Cam being replaced in the off season. But I think we could show great class unlike the rest of the dirt bag fans out there by holding back until the end of the road wherever that may be.

[Footzilla]

Yes or yes - what kind of poll is this?

Coaches coach, players execute - neither did their part very well tonight.

"[i]Have another beer[/i] and [i]make another observation[/i]."

FZ

[AsianRice]

We need to change for the good sakes, and it starts from the top; it's Cam.......

On the 84 drive with a TD is no hurdle offense with Joe's aubibles; on the last drive, we went back to the old disease calling from Cam.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1319518377' post='835744']
Just because he isn't a defensive specialist doesn't mean he isn't a good coach. So much more goes into being a head coach than that. And your kidding yourself if you think that the players are coaching him. Harbaugh gets this team emotional ready, week after week (in general) and is the leader for this team. Now it's easy to point out one game and say, oo look he is the problem. He makes many behind the scenes decisions that we don't see. But think about this. This coaching staff/team must be doing something right if they are winning (in general) with your boy getting the snaps behind the center. I get that we lost and people deserve blame. But you don't have a leg to stand on to fire Harbaugh after this game.
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He doesn't coach any part of the game on the field. That was always reason enough. If he could he would have takin over the offense, but he can't so he doesn't. Winning is good especially when you have one constant in Ray Lewis and great defensive minds like Rex and now Pagano and Austin. Sure Harbs is great at bringing in these fiery guys and making them work under him to hide his inadequacies. But what does he do besides manage the team.

[lowrider]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1319518835' post='835824']
He doesn't coach any part of the game on the field. That was always reason enough. If he could he would have takin over the offense, but he can't so he doesn't. Winning is good especially when you have one constant in Ray Lewis and great defensive minds like Rex and now Pagano and Austin. Sure Harbs is great at bringing in these fiery guys and making them work under him to hide his inadequacies. But what does he do besides manage the team.
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Ugh...But he is part of the reason why Pagano was hired at defensive coordinator. Putting people in the right spots is part of being a head coach. Being a head coach means managing all the coaching staffs, not just the players. And that is just your whole problem with your argument that he should coach one side of the ball. Yes, it isn't one of his strengthens, but stability in the coaching staff with strong coordinators has brought strong leadership to our team. Yes, great players have helped, but great players can only do so much. If there isn't leadership, then it crumbles. Harbaugh brings leadership to our team.

Now if you want to get on how Harbaugh should hold Cameron more accountable or something, then I'm all for that. But just stick to Cameron and Flacco when you want to get mad at someone. Harbaugh deserves blame, but there are people who deserve it more this week

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1319519285' post='835873']
Ugh...But he is part of the reason why Pagano was hired at defensive coordinator. Putting people in the right spots is part of being a head coach. Being a head coach means managing all the coaching staffs, not just the players. And that is just your whole problem with your argument that he should coach one side of the ball. Yes, it isn't one of his strengthens, but stability in the coaching staff with strong coordinators has brought strong leadership to our team. Yes, great players have helped, but great players can only do so much. If there isn't leadership, then it crumbles. Harbaugh brings leadership to our team.

Now if you want to get on how Harbaugh should hold Cameron more accountable or something, then I'm all for that. But just stick to Cameron and Flacco when you want to get mad at someone. Harbaugh deserves blame, but there are people who deserve it more this week
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What about deciding to onside kick with your defense playing lights out. 2 min plus. Hurry up offense non existent.Cam being part of the whole coaching equation. Three exists in the playoffs, twice bounced by the same team, for the same reason plaguing us three years later. Yeah head coach, and offensive Coordinator need to go.

[CalvinSmoke]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1319518835' post='835824']
He doesn't coach any part of the game on the field. That was always reason enough. If he could he would have takin over the offense, but he can't so he doesn't. Winning is good especially when you have one constant in Ray Lewis and great defensive minds like Rex and now Pagano and Austin. Sure Harbs is great at bringing in these fiery guys and making them work under him to hide his inadequacies. But what does he do besides manage the team.
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I can't cosign with you hear man, John has done an awesome job of keeping these guys together and making them a team. He's gonna have a tall task of keeping his defenders from blowing up in the locker rooms or in practice, but our team stays away from the media and plays hard. John has done his job, there's really nothing more you can ask from him. Head coaches shouldn't be calling plays, other people get paid to do that. If the head coach is calling plays he either needs a huge raise, or someone needs to get fired... if your suggesting John should call offensive plays than your also suggesting one of those two things.

[bravensfan52]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1319519852' post='835930']
What about deciding to onside kick with your defense playing lights out. 2 min plus. Hurry up offense non existent.Cam being part of the whole coaching equation. Three exists in the playoffs, twice bounced by the same team, for the same reason plaguing us three years later. Yeah head coach, and offensive Coordinator need to go.
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Naw John is fine hes just hindered wit Cam as OC cause there buddies it wont happen

[lowrider]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1319519852' post='835930']
What about deciding to onside kick with your defense playing lights out. 2 min plus. Hurry up offense non existent.Cam being part of the whole coaching equation. Three exists in the playoffs, twice bounced by the same team, for the same reason plaguing us three years later. Yeah head coach, and offensive Coordinator need to go.
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Oo I get it, unless you win a Super Bowl or you make a mistake or two then it's failed season and the head coach should be fired. Bill Belichek should be fired. Hasn't won a Superbowl since 2006. Ridiculous. Because when a team has a revolving door of head coaches, that franchise doesn't have problems or anything....

[CalvinSmoke]

[quote name='RBates' timestamp='1319519852' post='835930']
What about deciding to onside kick with your defense playing lights out. 2 min plus. Hurry up offense non existent.Cam being part of the whole coaching equation. Three exists in the playoffs, twice bounced by the same team, for the same reason plaguing us three years later. Yeah head coach, and offensive Coordinator need to go.
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John knows his offense, he had no choice but to try and get the ball back right away. They took 3 minutes to score in their "2 minute" offense WITH timeouts... he knew dang well they weren't gonna win if they didn't recover that ball with the onside kick, with the possiblity to win with a field goal and 2 time outs, that was our only chance and he knew that.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1319519924' post='835938']
I can't cosign with you hear man, John has done an awesome job of keeping these guys together and making them a team. He's gonna have a tall task of keeping his defenders from blowing up in the locker rooms or in practice, but our team stays away from the media and plays hard. John has done his job, there's really nothing more you can ask from him. Head coaches shouldn't be calling plays, other people get paid to do that. If the head coach is calling plays he either needs a huge raise, or someone needs to get fired... if your suggesting John should call offensive plays than your also suggesting one of those two things.
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Already happened!!!! see Suggs blowin up...... Harbaugh will not be here long if he doesn't do something with this offense. We are officially the laughing stock of the league in the 30 sec highlight reel they will show tomorrow.

[T3hRaven]

If we were smart and picked up McDaniels this off-season, I'm almost positive we would have a top 5 offense this season. Cam has got to go.

[Ravenslifer]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1319520310' post='835970']
If we were smart and picked up McDaniels this off-season, I'm almost positive we would have a top 5 offense this season. Cam has got to go.
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You do bring up and interesting point. I wondered about McDaniels myself. Cam is a round holes kind of guy, even when it's obvious to the entire world that his gameplan won't work. McDaniels made Kyle Orton look good and even Tim Tebow look somewhat decent at the end of last year.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='lowrider' timestamp='1319520155' post='835954']
Oo I get it, unless you win a Super Bowl or you make a mistake or two then it's failed season and the head coach should be fired. Bill Belichek should be fired. Hasn't won a Superbowl since 2006. Ridiculous. Because when a team has a revolving door of head coaches, that franchise doesn't have problems or anything....
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I never thought he was much of a coach anyway. Who cares whether he wins or not. He is not a coach. Terrible clock management. Terrible in game decision to kick onside kick then have the nerve to show your hand prior. Cant call plays. Just a nice guy that explains everything in the presser before even asked a question. lol what a joke/

[CalvinSmoke]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1319520310' post='835970']
If we were smart and picked up McDaniels this off-season, I'm almost positive we would have a top 5 offense this season. Cam has got to go.
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I felt the same way until i saw the way the Rams offense is struggling this year.

[ravecaptain]

with all of our talent, we should have breezed through this game. Something is terribly wrong with our offense. I think a lot is cam, some with flacco...maybe a lot with flacco as well. i'm just sick of losing to losers.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1319520592' post='835991']
I felt the same way until i saw the way the Rams offense is struggling this year.
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Touche. I think we'd be doing better as our team is miles ahead of the Rams, but you do bring up a valid point.

All I know is every Ravens fan needs to become at least a partial Titans fan for the rest of the season. We need them to step up and keep the Texans out of the playoffs so Kubiak is fired.

[CalvinSmoke]

[quote name='T3hRaven' timestamp='1319520758' post='836005']

Touche. I think we'd be doing better as our team is miles ahead of the Rams, but you do bring up a valid point.

All I know is every Ravens fan needs to become at least a partial Titans fan for the rest of the season. We need them to step up and keep the Texans out of the playoffs so Kubiak is fired.
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haha, you wanna scoop up Kubiak?

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1319520877' post='836015']
haha, you wanna scoop up Kubiak?
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You can't deny that the Texans have one of the best offenses in the league, and that's mostly on Kubiak. He'd be ridiculously better than Cam as our OC. Their problem has always been the defense, not the offense.

[Guest RBates]

[quote name='CalvinSmoke' timestamp='1319520203' post='835962']
John knows his offense, he had no choice but to try and get the ball back right away. They took 3 minutes to score in their "2 minute" offense WITH timeouts... he knew dang well they weren't gonna win if they didn't recover that ball with the onside kick, with the possiblity to win with a field goal and 2 time outs, that was our only chance and he knew that.
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After kicking the onside kick and not recovering defense holds and we get the ball back with 140+ on the clock. If you would have pinned them down you would have had 1min 40 seconds and the short field, Horrible coaching.