Tim Tebow?!

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[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1321590846' post='875103']

That run was sweet. If you still doubt this kid after that play and what could be the game winning kid, then something is wrong with you. Tebow just ran 20 yards on a Rex Ryan Defense and while the Jets sent the house at him. Your telling me the Jets send the house yet they couldn't get one person to stop him, absolutely amazing on Tebow's part.

#TebowTime
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Sorry, but I still doubt him. Dude had some of the ugliest throws I have ever seen and he only won because his defense got him a pick 6. That game winning run was impressive, but the drive had more to do with the Jets defense wearing down at Mile High than any incredible play by Tim Tebow, That offense is so gimmicky, it wouldnt work on a properly rested and prepared defense.

[Purple Nurple]

Note to self. Start a drinking game for every time tebow says "believe". Take over world.

[RavensFan8a]

Tebow is a rookie in the NFL...........The N..F..L....obviously not a easy deal here.....People need to leave the guy alone with all the crap and let him develope just like all the rookies before him...and if people havent noticed..."he is Human" all players make misques in their first year, pople need to quit singling him out, at least he actualy has the balls as a QB to run the ball and put it on defenses ...as Coach Ditka would say....Stop It!!!

[Gtown Purple]

I like the way he lowered his shoulder when Revis tried to tackle him and Revis shied away like a girl..............

[JohnJohnson]

People underestimate Tebow's running ability, just because he's not super fast like Vick. He has great vision and he's really strong. Defenses have to spend a lot of energy on that aspect of his game, so the passing windows are there. He just has to improve his accuracy.

[FerrariFan87]

Imagine if the Broncos didn't ship off Tebow's best target in Brandon Lloyd... the kid wins, plain and simple.

[PuRock]

[quote name='RavensFan8a' timestamp='1321623735' post='875321']
Tebow is a rookie in the NFL...........The N..F..L....obviously not a easy deal here.....[b]People need to leave the guy alone with all the crap and let him develope just like all the rookies before him...and if people havent noticed...[/b]"he is Human" all players make misques in their first year, pople need to quit singling him out, at least he actualy has the balls as a QB to run the ball and put it on defenses ...as Coach Ditka would say....Stop It!!!
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[img]http://i1100.photobucket.com/albums/g414/matty_batty0/LeaveHimAlone.jpg[/img]

I'm not a fan of Tebow. But I must say I loved watching him take down the Jets last night. Just don't see this type of offense being sustainable long term. Wildcat worked for a little while, now its mostly gone again.

[Purple Punishment]

[quote name='JohnJohnson' timestamp='1321632343' post='875441']
People underestimate Tebow's running ability, just because he's not super fast like Vick. He has great vision and he's really strong. Defenses have to spend a lot of energy on that aspect of his game, so the passing windows are there. He just has to improve his accuracy.
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He has superior field vision. Looked like on of his runs was going right into a pile of linemen then he cut right twice and turned it into a nice gain

[Purple Punishment]

One thing I give the Broncos credit for is adapting a game plan to fit their players strengths. Something someone here in Baltimore has yet to figure out

[PuRock]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' timestamp='1321638789' post='875544']
One thing I give the Broncos credit for is adapting a game plan to fit their players strengths. Something someone here in Baltimore has yet to figure out
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This is very true. They really did install a college offense. They didn't shy around it or try to force a round peg into a square hole.

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[quote name='RavensFan8a' timestamp='1321623735' post='875321']
Tebow is a rookie in the NFL...........The N..F..L....obviously not a easy deal here.....People need to leave the guy alone with all the crap and let him develope just like all the rookies before him...and if people havent noticed..."he is Human" all players make misques in their first year, pople need to quit singling him out, at least he actualy has the balls as a QB to run the ball and put it on defenses ...as Coach Ditka would say....Stop It!!!
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He is not a rookie. His running is impressive, but he cant throw the ball. I think he is a great football player, but he isnt a real QB and will never have true success as a starting QB. What I mean by success is winning in the playoffs. I think he has value as a Red Zone QB that can make an easy throw or run the ball. Have some packages for him, but he isnt a full-time NFL QB.

I was watching the game with a Broncos fan and we were both just laughing hysterically at how bad his passes are. Some of his throws look like a pitcher tossing a slider to his WR. Just not good. Good for him for pulling out the W, but thats all the praise I have for him.

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[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1321639087' post='875553']


This is very true. They really did install a college offense. They didn't shy around it or try to force a round peg into a square hole.
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Yupp and stuck with it. I mean how hard is it to know your players strengths?

[PuRock]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' timestamp='1321641556' post='875579']
Yupp and stuck with it. I mean how hard is it to know your players strengths?
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It's a problem with a lot of coaches/coordinators. They want the system to run the players not the other ways around. Cam is guilty of this. Mike Martz is guilty as well. There are plenty of coaches who are slaves to systems.

[Purple Punishment]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1321640273' post='875568']

He is not a rookie. His running is impressive, but he cant throw the ball. I think he is a great football player, but he isnt a real QB and will never have true success as a starting QB. What I mean by success is winning in the playoffs. I think he has value as a Red Zone QB that can make an easy throw or run the ball. Have some packages for him, but he isnt a full-time NFL QB.

I was watching the game with a Broncos fan and we were both just laughing hysterically at how bad his passes are. Some of his throws look like a pitcher tossing a slider to his WR. Just not good. Good for him for pulling out the W, but thats all the praise I have for him.
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I'm not a Tebow fan but he's 4-1 as a starter. He doesn't have to throw pretty passes to win the game as you can see.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

Yep. He's not a good thrower as a QB but you can't take away the fact that the Broncos are 4-1 with Tebow under center this year and he has virtually NOTHING at receiver. Thomas has all the tools to be a stud but other than that his receiving core is horrible.

Teams will start to figure the Broncos out after soon though which is why Tebow has to get better as a passer.

[PuRock]

[quote name='EnVy_CaLiBeR' timestamp='1321643956' post='875610']
Yep. He's not a good thrower as a QB but you can't take away the fact that the Broncos are 4-1 with Tebow under center this year and he [b]has virtually NOTHING at receiver. Thomas has all the tools to be a stud but other than that his receiving core is horrible.[/b]

Teams will start to figure the Broncos out after soon though which is why Tebow has to get better as a passer.
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Why no love for the Decker? He was really coming on with Orton but then they switched to Tebow and he regressed. Still he's probably Tebow's best target. Even last night Decker had an absolutely great route against double coverage that he beat.

[JO_75]

[quote name='gabefergy' timestamp='1321599150' post='875240']
Sorry, but I still doubt him. Dude had some of the ugliest throws I have ever seen and [b]he only won because his defense got him a pick 6. [/b]That game winning run was impressive, but the drive had more to do with the Jets defense wearing down at Mile High than any incredible play by Tim Tebow, That offense is so gimmicky, it wouldnt work on a properly rested and prepared defense.
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How many times has Ed Reed sealed the game for the Ravens? How many defenses have sealed the game for Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, so no matter what Drew Brees did in Super Bowl 44, the Saints only won because Tracy Porter picked off Peyton Manning??? That makes no sense on why to continue hating Tim Tebow.

[bpytnjr58]

I will be Tebowing on Sunday for sure.

[EnVy_CaLiBeR]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1321646840' post='875651']

Why no love for the Decker? He was really coming on with Orton but then they switched to Tebow and he regressed. Still he probably Tebow's best target. Even last night Decker had an absolutely great route against double coverage that he beat.
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I missed him. He's above average but still not really an elite talent.

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[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1321647042' post='875656']

How many times has Ed Reed sealed the game for the Ravens? How many defenses have sealed the game for Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, so no matter what Drew Brees did in Super Bowl 44, the Saints only won because Tracy Porter picked off Peyton Manning??? That makes no sense on why to continue hating Tim Tebow.
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Well you are obviously blindly in love with him so debate isnt worthwhile. I will say this though, the guy clearly has some leadership qualities and he is a closer. If his defense can keep the game close into the 4th quarter Tebow has some kind of spark that gets the job done. To me that doesnt make him a good QB, it makes him a good football player. That game last night was one of the ugliest offensive performances I have ever seen, but they got the job done when it matters. I'm not hating on him, but he will never be a successful NFL QB unless he figures out how to properly throw a ball. His mechanics are just abysmal and nothing anyone says can change that fact.

[kagejb]

Tim Tebow is a below average quarterback and anybody else that says otherwise is kidding themselves. His intangibles are off the charts, but his mechanics are absolutely dreadful and they really haven't improved by much since his senior year in college. The wins are great, but this is a team sport after all. He doesn't singlehandedly win the games for the Broncos. They don't excuse his very apparent lack of skill.

[Free Agent]

[quote name='Purple Punishment' timestamp='1321641723' post='875581']
I'm not a Tebow fan but he's 4-1 as a starter. [b]He doesn't have to throw [i]pretty[/i] [i]passes [/i]to win the game as you can see.[/b]
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He doesn't even have to throw [i]passes[/i] to win the game. This option offense is a perfect fit for him. Good move by the Broncos to present Tebow with the style of offense that he needs to succeed.

[Gordo52]

I have alway been a Tebow supporter. I put him last second vs the JETS on my fantasy team. The guy Im facing had Sanchez in. Its amazing how he can do what he does

[The Raven]

[quote name='PuRock' timestamp='1321639087' post='875553']

This is very true. They really did install a college offense. They didn't shy around it or try to force a round peg into a square hole.
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Man, it's not even a college offense! I was watching him run the Veer and the Midline out of the invert wishbone, felt like I was watchin my Highschool team! Love watching good option game football.

I think he's getting a lot of flack. People can say all they want about his 25% percent completion, but I've watched him play. I've watched Broncos games. And I can say, that is not his fault. His WRs are not getting open consistently and when they are they drop the ball. I swear I saw 8 drops when they played the Jets. His WRs are screwin him over. But ya know, when you can run the option and run the ball efficiently, who needs to throw? I'd be embarassed to be a Jet defender. The Broncos ran a usually highschool offense against what I thought was a good run defense. I say keep running the option until teams can stop it.

[JO_75]

John Elway is still not sold on Tim Tebow despite his 4-1 record.


[quote]“I think obviously [Tebow is] making progress week in and week out. When you look at our third down numbers, those have to improve. I mean, that’s the bottom line,” Elway said. “We can’t go 3-for-13 [on third downs] and win a world championship. Those are the type of things we have to keep improving.”[/quote]

[url="http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/21/elway-broncos-are-no-closer-to-finding-quarterback-of-future/"]http://profootballta...back-of-future/[/url]

It's amazing how Elway thinks a guy who hasn't had much opportunity to play and has done nothing but win is not the guy at Quarterback. He only played last season due to Kyle Orton falling flat and Denver having the second worst record so they had nothing to lose, and once again was on the bench and put in when Orton failed again. Plus he is only a second year guy, he still has time to improve and he has done so. You can't argue with the fact he has thrown 7 TDs compared to 1 Interception and has thrown for 709 yards. Tebow needs time to grow, did the Colts give up on Manning after his rookie season when the Colts were 3-13??? No. Quarterbacks need time to develop and Tebow is no different.

Herm Edwards said it best... "You Play To Win the Game." Folks Tebow is 4-1 and if that is not winning then I don't know what is.

[T3hRaven]

[quote name='JO_75' timestamp='1321921319' post='880839']
Herm Edwards said it best... "You Play To Win the Game." Folks Tebow is 4-1 and if that is not winning then I don't know what is.
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Come back when he wins a game that matters against a real team. Once that gimmick they run is shut down, like the Wildcat before it, Tebow will be beyond useless, as useless is the current plane of existence he is in. The reason Tebow has a good turnover ratio is that his passes are so erratic and off target that, if it's not a fluke completion, it's no where near anyone. The defense can't pick off passes that are no where near anyone. You can't ignore his complete and utter lack of accuracy as a passer, and if you can't pass in this league you can't win the Super Bowl. That's all that matters, not winning in general.

[flaccopoe]

I think I'm becoming a Tebow fan! He's 5-1 and is starting to establish a good passing game with Eric Decker. The AFC West is still wide open.

[Clutch Ravens]

Why are people so down on Tebow?

Winning's all that matters in the NFL. You don't hear someone say "They finished the season 4-12, but they looked good while doing it!". Since Tebow took over all the Broncos have done is win. Their defense is playing better because the offense is running the ball, playing ball control and keeping them fresh. Listen to the Broncos defensive players when talking about Tebow - they ALL say they believe that as long as they keep the game within a score that he'll find a way to win.

Everyone on the Broncos roster is giving 110% for Tebow. The entire team wants to give their all, thanks in large part to all the nay-sayers. Elway's a complete moron for continually questioning Tebow and never committing to him. So he's not your QB, or your style of QB John? OK. Well, you have to suck it up. Your players support him and they're winning with him. I never liked Elway because of his draft debacle. This just makes me dislike him even more. I hope Tebow succeeds and Elway completely fails as team president.

[bpytnjr58]

I voted for him on the Pro Bowl Ballot just for the heck of it.

[hawkprey]

Anyone remember '09 when Vince Young took over for an 0-6 team and went 8-2 as a stater? And is anyone clamoring over him now? No. Because his moment in the spotlight is gone and he is seen for what he is - a below-average quarterback.

The whole Tebowmania is out of control. First he stunk against Detroit and was laughed at. Then he won a few games and everyone changes their mind publicly. It'll just be more embarrassing for them when time passes and Tebow is seen for what HE is. A backup who can't throw the ball.