No Huddle Flacco Discussion - It Was Good!

[1/28/01]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1319255897' post='830460']
Um because I believe it to be true? He's the reason we made to the playoffs but is also the reason we didn't get to the Superbowl. Peace bro-this isn't personal![img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/shark.gif[/img]
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I agree about the not personal part...I could care less. Just debate...later!

[wizard1]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1319255830' post='830459']
Take your pick - [url="http://www.nfl.com/player/joeflacco/382/gamelogs?season=2010"]http://www.nfl.com/p...ogs?season=2010[/url]
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A perfect example-week 18 vs. KC a passer rating of 115 the next week vs. Pittsburg a passer rating of 61--nuff said.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1319255628' post='830455']
Until I see Joe put 6 or 7 STRAIGHT good games under his belt then his play will always be suspect to me.I don't blame you for supporting Joe-we don't have any options.
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128.7 Week 3
82.7 Week 4
81.4 Week 5
119.3 Week 6
111.0 Week 7
129.6 Week 8
99.5 Week 9
110.8 Week 10
103.2 Week 11
88.7 Week 12
107.5 Week 13
112.9 Week 14
90.2 Week 15

There ya go. Joe's QB rating from Week 3 to Week 15 of last season. That's 13 games in a row for ya.

[wizard1]

[quote name='ravensdfan' timestamp='1319256219' post='830466']


128.7 Week 3
82.7 Week 4
81.4 Week 5
119.3 Week 6
111.0 Week 7
129.6 Week 8
99.5 Week 9
110.8 Week 10
103.2 Week 11
88.7 Week 12
107.5 Week 13
112.9 Week 14
90.2 Week 15

There ya go. Joe's QB rating from Week 3 to Week 15 of last season. That's 13 games in a row for ya.
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so how does all that equal a career 79 QB rating? because he has had just as many awful games! and the reason he has won 40 of 60 is NOT because of his play but because he is surrounded by the NFLs great defenses.

[BmoreRavens732]

I just literally lol at the haters

[1/28/01]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1319256641' post='830473']

so how does all that equal a career 79 QB rating? because he has had just as many awful games! and the reason he has won 40 of 60 is NOT because of his play but because he is surrounded by the NFLs great defenses.
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Try 87 there fella....you can't even take a stand correctly, without making stuff up at least. Oh yeah, to the other part, his poor games have mostly come in his ROOKIE and SOPHOMORE years in the NFL!

[1/28/01]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1319256114' post='830465']

A perfect example-week 18 vs. KC a passer rating of 115 the next week vs. Pittsburg a passer rating of 61--nuff said.
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Yup, nuff said...two games in someones career will dictate what he does from there on out...brilliant!

[The Raven]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1319256641' post='830473']
[b]so how does all that equal a career 79 QB rating?[/b] because he has had just as many awful games! and the reason he has won 40 of 60 is NOT because of his play but because he is surrounded by the NFLs great defenses.
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Because it doesn't equal a career 79 QB rating. For this season so far, yes, but not career. His career rating is an 88. I'd like to think thats fairly respectable.

[url="http://www.nfl.com/player/joeflacco/382/careerstats"]http://www.nfl.com/player/joeflacco/382/careerstats[/url]

[-Nevermore-]

[quote name='1/28/01' timestamp='1319258395' post='830487']
Yup, nuff said...two games in someones career will dictate what he does from there on out...brilliant!
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Or even one season! I guess Indy should have given up on Peyton when he threw 28 picks his rookie year.

[ravensdfan]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1319256114' post='830465']
A perfect example-week 18 vs. KC a passer rating of 115 the next week vs. Pittsburg a passer rating of 61--nuff said.
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LOL

A game we would not even have the opportunity to play if not for the CONSISTENT play of our QB during the rest of the season and that playoff game at KC.

[Free Agent]

Joe's career passing rating of 88 is better than the career passer ratings of Matt Ryan, Brett Favre, Donovan McNabb, Matt Hasselbeck, Eli Manning, Michael Vick, and the list goes on and on.

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_career_passer_rating_leaders"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_career_passer_rating_leaders[/url]

[-Nevermore-]

[quote name='Free Agent' timestamp='1319259280' post='830497']
Joe's career passing rating of 88 is better than the career passer ratings of Matt Ryan, Brett Favre, Donovan McNabb, Matt Hasselbeck, Eli Manning, Michael Vick, and the list goes on and on.

[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL_career_passer_rating_leaders"]http://en.wikipedia...._rating_leaders[/url]
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To be fair that is regular season, in playoffs he drops down to a 61. Where guys like Favre, Hasslebeck, Eli and McNabb stay consistent at their 80's.

Then again, their sample size is much greater in the post-season, where as his first trips carry more weight than theirs.

[Greatness]

I guess Theisman finally saw that Matty Ice isn't All-World like he thought after last years Ravens/Falcon game. I'm glad he has finally seen the light and understand now that Joe Flacco is a QB you don't wanna piss off! I hope everyone's Superbowl prediction of Ravens/Packers are correct. I would love nothing more than the Ravens to stick it to the pack (For personal reasons) but even more so, just win the Superbowl regardless of who we play.

Hail Joe "The One above all" Flacco!

[Ravens Beast]

Just shut up about Joe. He's good as well as young. ENOUGH. Appreciate what you have.

[SnOoPy]

Flacco can play! People act like he's the worst QB we ever had...Be happy that we have a QB like Flacco! If yall miss Boller then go cheer for the Raiders. He's starting this week.

[Free Agent]

[quote name='-Nevermore-' timestamp='1319259660' post='830500']

To be fair that is regular season, in playoffs he drops down to a 61. Where guys like Favre, Hasslebeck, Eli and McNabb stay consistent at their 80's.

Then again, their sample size is much greater in the post-season, where as his first trips carry more weight than theirs.
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True, but to have the 13th best career passer rating, regular season or not, is quite a feat.

[Tank 92]

[quote name='-Nevermore-' timestamp='1319259660' post='830500']

To be fair that is regular season, in playoffs he drops down to a 61. Where guys like Favre, Hasslebeck, Eli and McNabb stay consistent at their 80's.

Then again, their sample size is much greater in the post-season, where as his first trips carry more weight than theirs.
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Maybe if we can get Joe some home playoff games we'll see his rating rise.

[berad]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1319256641' post='830473']
so how does all that equal a career 79 QB rating? because he has had just as many awful games! and the reason he has won 40 of 60 is NOT because of his play but because he is surrounded by the NFLs great defenses.
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This is the second time I've seen you be incorrect on that stat. His QB rating for THIS season is ~79 so far, his career is at ~87. At least you're consistent with it.

[-Nevermore-]

[quote name='Free Agent' timestamp='1319269582' post='830527']
True, but to have the 13th best career passer rating, regular season or not, is quite a feat.
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Absolutely. He's developed a lot better than a lot of people expected. I mean, a quarterback from Delaware? Really? And the scary thing is he can still get a lot better.

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1319250436' post='830389']
[u][b]You guys are hilarious. Does everyone have the Flacco bobblehead on their dashboards? [/b][/u]Lest ye forget the Jets/Titans performances. We have an inconsistent QB. [u][b]You just never can be sure from one week to the next what we will get[/b][/u]. The list of guffaws by Flacco goes on and on but take this into consideration-last week Kyle Boller 79.5 had a higher passer rating than Joe Flacco 78.5 and that is eerie. With Boller starting in Oakland lets hope we don't end up with the trick part of Halloween down in Jacksonville!
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wiz...i am all for a cat staying true to their own feelings, views and opinions. i do the same thing. but c'mon bruh! this thread was about a discussion about Flacco that turned out pretty well. and yet, YOU have managed to come into the thread and sow seeds of discord concerning Joe like in other threads.

sure, Flacco's gameplay at the QB spot pisses me off at times as well and those here that know me know that i am very vocal about it but it is only because i want him to be great cause i know he can be and it makes me mad when i see our offense playing like the bad news bears at times with all of those 3 & Outs! let's see how he does this next game before we crucify him bruh!

~Mili

[wizard1]

Okie Dokie_I will promise this-if Joe ends up with a better passer rating than Boller this week and if he has a better one than Gabbert and if it is because of his really good play and not the defense that we win in Jacksonville then I will shut up about Joe the rest of the season.. If not then I will stick by my opinion of Gomer Pyle er I mean Joe Flacco! I think he will go 0 for 3 but I'm predicting another Ravens win because of our amazing defense. Joe will go 16 of 30 for 207 yards-no touchdowns and 2 interceptions and a fumble.
I have a dream! Ravens 24 Jags 3 [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/ravensquote.gif[/img]

[wizard1]

[quote name='Militant X 1' timestamp='1319304903' post='830637']

wiz...i am all for a cat staying true to their own feelings, views and opinions. i do the same thing. but c'mon bruh! this thread was about a discussion about Flacco that turned out pretty well. and yet, YOU have managed to come into the thread and sow seeds of discord concerning Joe like in other threads.

sure, Flacco's gameplay at the QB spot pisses me off at times as well and those here that know me know that i am very vocal about it but it is only because i want him to be great cause i know he can be and it makes me mad when i see our offense playing like the bad news bears at times with all of those 3 & Outs! let's see how he does this next game before we crucify him bruh!

~Mili
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I hear ya mili but I sat on the fence for 3+ years and have watched Joe literally throw us out of 2 SuperBowls and I've had it. I'm sick of excuses and all the talk of waiting for him to mature. My defensive guys play like beasts game in and game out. Have you ever seen Reed or Lewis or Haloti or Suggs play all out one game and play like pee wee herman the next? NO-because those guys are dedicated and it's because of that total dedication that they deserve a Ring.. Hopefully my boring rhetoric will open some eyes and get others asking WHY!

[-Nevermore-]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1319305453' post='830643']
Okie Dokie_I will promise this-if Joe ends up with a better passer rating than Boller this week and if he has a better one than Gabbert and if it is because of his really good play and not the defense that we win in Jacksonville then I will shut up about Joe the rest of the season.. If not then I will stick by my opinion of Gomer Pyle er I mean Joe Flacco! I think he will go 0 for 3 but I'm predicting another Ravens win because of our amazing defense. Joe will go 16 of 30 for 207 yards-no touchdowns and 2 interceptions and a fumble.
I have a dream! Ravens 24 Jags 3 [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/ravensquote.gif[/img]
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Flacco already has a better passer rating than Gabbert this, season, 8 points better. He's also averaging almost 2 yards more an attempt. You can't compare a QB's rating like Flacco who takes shots down the field consistently to a QB like a Gabbert who is asked not to lose the team games. End of the day, you can have a QB taking shots all over the field, and maybe throw a pic, while a guy is Captain Checkdown and end of the day he'll even up with the better rating, even if his team loses. Because he wasn't willing or allowed to take those chances.

[Guest ArmyRaven52]

Just out of curiosity Wizard, the last time we let the SB hopes rest on the defense with a QB to manage the game, it worked pretty well. SO do you think it is a bad thing ? I would like Joe to become the next Aaron Rodgers, but there are a few advantages A-Rod had

He got to learn behind one of the greatest.
He had receivers from day one.
He had been in the system for the same amount of time as Joe before he ever got his FIRST Start.
He played in a D1 school after transferring from Butte, which helped with the acclimation
He has had stalwarts on the o line he has known his whole career with no shuffling
He has had a consistent stable of offensive coaches
He has also had almost free reign since he stepped in with the confidence of the coaches
He had taken reps with the same receivers that he played with his first couple of seasons
He has also played in a weak division in terms of secondaries
His team has almost always been (and for his entire stint) been an offensive minded team, which is where they put their emphasis
He has also had consistent play calling.

Those are just off the top of my head a few beers into the day.

NOw again back to the defense, there have only been a few times I remember the D starting this hot, one of which was in 2000, I am comfortable with them [i]winning[/i] us games until Joe gets that chemistry down.

[wizard1]

[quote name='ArmyRaven52' timestamp='1319306294' post='830650']
Just out of curiosity Wizard, the last time we let the SB hopes rest on the defense with a QB to manage the game, it worked pretty well. SO do you think it is a bad thing ? I would like Joe to become the next Aaron Rodgers, but there are a few advantages A-Rod had

He got to learn behind one of the greatest.
He had receivers from day one.
He had been in the system for the same amount of time as Joe before he ever got his FIRST Start.
He played in a D1 school after transferring from Butte, which helped with the acclimation
He has had stalwarts on the o line he has known his whole career with no shuffling
He has had a consistent stable of offensive coaches
He has also had almost free reign since he stepped in with the confidence of the coaches
He had taken reps with the same receivers that he played with his first couple of seasons
He has also played in a weak division in terms of secondaries
His team has almost always been (and for his entire stint) been an offensive minded team, which is where they put their emphasis
He has also had consistent play calling.

Those are just off the top of my head a few beers into the day.

NOw again back to the defense, there have only been a few times I remember the D starting this hot, one of which was in 2000, I am comfortable with them [i]winning[/i] us games until Joe gets that chemistry down.
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I agree with almost all you said-except for a couple of things. Rodgers is CONSISTENT-I'm not sure Joe even knows how to spell the word.. and does it really matter if you have excellent receivers if Joe can't get them the ball 51% completion -so almost half the balls hes throwing this year are incomplete and 3rd Rogers is not afraid to tuck that ball and run whereas Joe looks like Jerry Lewis out there. I don't want him to be the next Peyton Manning all I want is consistency. No more rollercoasters it's not fun anymore!

[berad]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1319305986' post='830647']
I hear ya mili but I sat on the fence for 3+ years and have watched Joe literally throw us out of 2 SuperBowls and I've had it. I'm sick of excuses and all the talk of waiting for him to mature. My defensive guys play like beasts game in and game out. Have you ever seen Reed or Lewis or Haloti or [b]Suggs play all out one game and play like pee wee herman the next? NO[/b]-because those guys are dedicated and it's because of that total dedication that they deserve a Ring.. Hopefully my boring rhetoric will open some eyes and get others asking WHY!
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I love Suggs as much as any player on this team but let's not forget about 2009 - He showed up out of shape and his production and performance took a hit.

Also, I find it very difficult to question anyone's "dedication", especially Joe Flacco. Flacco organized team workouts in the lockout, is constantly in the film room, and has been the starter for every single game in his career - there were times where he could've been injured enough to sit out. If you told John Harbaugh, Ozzie Newsome, or anyone in the Ravens organization that Joe Flacco [i](or any player, really)[/i] lacked dedication, you might get laughed out of the building.

[codizzle]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1319306934' post='830656']

I agree with almost all you said-except for a couple of things. Rodgers is CONSISTENT-I'm not sure Joe even knows how to spell the word.. and does it really matter if you have excellent receivers if Joe can't get them the ball 51% completion -so almost half the balls hes throwing this year are incomplete and 3rd Rogers is not afraid to tuck that ball and run whereas Joe looks like Jerry Lewis out there. I don't want him to be the next Peyton Manning all I want is consistency. No more rollercoasters it's not fun anymore!
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look at his career compl. % .. He didnt suddenly lose that ability somehow overnight..
Try something else big guy...

[wizard1]

and it's just not about making mistakes-everyone does that-it's about playing complete awful games in every phase-Joe has 2 out of 5 so far this year. he's has 2 really good games-Pitt/Rams and one fair game Texans and two downright awful games Titans/Jets.

[codizzle]

[quote name='wizard1' timestamp='1319307266' post='830663']
and it's just not about making mistakes-everyone does that-it's about playing complete awful games in every phase-Joe has 2 out of 5 so far this year. he's has 2 really good games-Pitt/Rams and one fair game Texans and two downright awful games Titans/Jets.
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okay?? U see the pressure tenn and nyj got on him in those games.. Prolly not cause everything is flacco's fault

[wizard1]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1319307127' post='830660']

I love Suggs as much as any player on this team but let's not forget about 2009 - He showed up out of shape and his production and performance took a hit.

Also, I find it very difficult to question anyone's "dedication", especially Joe Flacco. Flacco organized team workouts in the lockout, is constantly in the film room, and has been the starter for every single game in his career - there were times where he could've been injured enough to sit out. If told John Harbaugh, Ozzie Newsome, or anyone in the Ravens organization that Joe Flacco [i](or any player, really)[/i] lacked dedication, you might get laughed out of the building.
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In the long run I think you are probably right about Joe-since I don't know him personally at least I hope you are right[img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/bitenails.gif[/img]