No Huddle Flacco Discussion - It Was Good!

[Militant X 1]

on the "No Huddle" show the question was;[i]"Why does Joe Flacco always get a bad rap? Flacco has had great success in his first 3 years, and he's starting his 4th on a good note. What gives?"[/i]

in response, Joe Theisman said...that [i]"Joe isn't flashy and if you are not flashy people don't talk about you. If your are not throwing for 300+ yards, I think you get a little bit criticized." [/i]He went on to say; [i]"I think that he does an excellent job doing the things that he's asked to do for the Baltimore Ravens. He's asked to run some playaction, he's asked to hand the ball to Ray Rice, he's asked to let Ray Lewis and that group to go out there and play and he's doing what he's told. And, he's getting the ball down field more." [/i]

He said all of this with Sapp shouting "thank you" repeatedly in the background. Then the panel said that [i]Joe Flacco is more of a "role-player"[/i] and then Joe Theisman said; [i]"All QBs are role-players!" [/i]but then others on the panel said, [i]"but some have more roles than others." [/i]Warren Sapp jumped in and said; [i]"but this one here is a game manager! That is what they have always asked the QB in Baltimore to do." [/i]Then Joe Theisman said, [i]"They can count on him if they need to"[/i] and then finally Mariucci said; [i]"That guy wins ball games!"[/i]

oh yeah...Joe Theisman picked the Ravens and the Packer to play in the SB....lol!

~Mili

[BmoreRavens732]

Theisman is the man so is mariucci or whatever...I like sapp but u gotta look all the way back in 09 starting with the vikes when we were down. And ALOT of games last year when if it wasn't for flacco we wudnt of stayed in the game period or won...jus look at the falcons game or steelers week 4..that's not managing that's coming back n winning...there's alot more games but I don't feel like thinking

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='BmoreRavens732' timestamp='1319098549' post='828973']
Theisman is the man so is mariucci or whatever...I like sapp but u gotta look all the way back in 09 starting with the vikes when we were down. And ALOT of games last year when if it wasn't for flacco we wudnt of stayed in the game period or won...jus look at the falcons game or steelers week 4..that's not managing that's coming back n winning...there's alot more games but I don't feel like thinking
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Agreed. It isn't so this year because Pagano and the rest of the coaches have done a good job in restoring the D to some of its former heights but last year the D wasn't as good as it has long been billed as and we wouldn't have won some of the games we did win if Flacco was only a game manager.

Theisman makes a great point in that he isn't flashy in the way of stringing 300-yard games together but he does what he's asked to do. Unfortunately it seems that the general perspective of outsiders is that he isn't asked to do a lot for us to win games but I don't think that's true.

[BmoreRavens732]

We have a perfect balanced team IMO...offense = a QB who isn't "FLASHY" with all those big fantasy numbers but provenly is more then capable of leading his team if needed to a W...a RB who is as dangerous in catching the ball as he is carrying it and is a huge threat to any defense...an O-line with grubbs that can open up holes for our dangerous back and can give our QB a decent amount of protection to sling the ball around...WR's including TE's that have a beast n physical route runner in boldin a fast physical deep threat in smith and Evans when healthy and a fast TE in dickson who constantly is a mismatch for a safety or LB...the D speaks for itself

[darklight1216]

Thank you for sharing that. It was nice of you to type up what they said for those of us who did not watch the show.

[Radinho84]

[quote name='PWNEDbyDEANO' timestamp='1319099508' post='828977']

Agreed. It isn't so this year because Pagano and the rest of the coaches have done a good job in restoring the D to some of its former heights but last year the D wasn't as good as it has long been billed as and we wouldn't have won some of the games we did win if Flacco was only a game manager.

Theisman makes a great point in that he isn't flashy in the way of stringing 300-yard games together but he does what he's asked to do. Unfortunately it seems that the general perspective of outsiders is that [b]he isn't asked to do a lot for us to win games but I don't think that's true.[/b]
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he is asked to manage the game. i think that is enough. if we wanted him to throw for 400 yards every game i am pretty sure he could do it. but we like to run the ball because of our great running game. we have a great defense that can hold their line at close games. and we have a qb who can for sure make ALL THE THROWS if we need him to do. like we needed him to do ahainst houston and guess what he did!?!

you don´t change your game from one day to another but if you watch the ravens with joe flacco since he is our qb i think we transformed in a much better footballteam offensively. it is a slow process and we are getting better every year. but why should we risk too much when we have a defense that can shut down almost every team in the league?

the key is: [b]we really can count on flacco if we need to!!!![/b]

but i don´t whant him throw for 450 yards every game with two ints every game and still lose the games like they do in carolina...

[3-4ravdef509]

Joe is perfect for us. He's smart, patient, and understands our team and gameplan. And when the game is on the line, and when the pressure is in his face, he plays as well as anybody.

[ravens88]

Joe is great QB he is definately looking ALOT better and this year looks very good so far i have no complaints at all. When he has protection he can drive up and down the field thats obvious he isnt missing the open reciever like he used to at times which shows how much he has progressed im very confident with Joe under center.

[Twistidfunk]

Flacco is a good QB. He has his inconsistencies but so does everyone. The maddening thing about Flacco is that we know he can be great because we have seen it. When he isn't, it is frustrating and we demand perfection and domination like our defense.

Flacco can certainly get us to a superbowl and win it.

[PWNEDbyDEANO]

[quote name='Radinho84' timestamp='1319108655' post='828995']
he is asked to manage the game. i think that is enough. if we wanted him to throw for 400 yards every game i am pretty sure he could do it. but we like to run the ball because of our great running game. we have a great defense that can hold their line at close games. and we have a qb who can for sure make ALL THE THROWS if we need him to do. like we needed him to do ahainst houston and guess what he did!?!

you don´t change your game from one day to another but if you watch the ravens with joe flacco since he is our qb i think we transformed in a much better footballteam offensively. it is a slow process and we are getting better every year. but why should we risk too much when we have a defense that can shut down almost every team in the league?

the key is: [b]we really can count on flacco if we need to!!!![/b]

but i don´t whant him throw for 450 yards every game with two ints every game and still lose the games like they do in carolina...
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Exactly. He might not put up the eye popping stats that are becoming ever more common around the league but he does what he needs to do and I believe he's capable of doing more if required, like he did at times last year.

[jaege]

I agree, Joe is not flashy. Not that flashy is a bad thing, you just do not need it. Flash does not add to your win percentage. Ask Rex Ryan.

[Runnin Raven]

I approve of this thread! Seriously, thanks for posting the content of the show.

[POE]

Joe has taken over this offense and you seen it against a good Texans defense. He made a few mistakes with over throwing Dickson and unfortunately J. Joseph made a great play to pick it off or not protecting the ball better during the sack/strip play, but other than those two mistakes he had a great game. He even started to run the no huddle a little bit in the second half and that shows how comfortable he is with the offense. He manages the game when he needs to and he has the ability to take over when he needs to and that to me is as complete as you can be as a QB. I still want to see some better passing plays when down in the redzone, but with the running game we have I understand that we like to run it in rather than pass it and maybe that is just a play calling thing. Either way I am more than happy with Joe and the way he does his thing..keep it going Cool Joe!

[jimmypowder]

[quote name='Twistidfunk' timestamp='1319111989' post='829011']
Flacco is a good QB. He has his inconsistencies but so does everyone. The maddening thing about Flacco is that we know he can be great because we have seen it. When he isn't, it is frustrating and we demand perfection and domination like our defense.

Flacco can certainly get us to a superbowl and win it.
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Yeah Flacco has inconsistencies when the O-line is playing poorly.When they play well he looks great. Did Big Ben look good this year
when we played them and his O-line was garbage? Or did Brady in our playoff game when his O-line was garbage?

Its all about O-line protection .

[Militant X 1]

[quote name='darklight1216' timestamp='1319106375' post='828987']
Thank you for sharing that. [u][b]It was nice of you to type up what they said for those of us who did not watch the show[/b][/u]. [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/smile.png[/img]
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no problem! it was my pleasure.

[quote name='Twistidfunk' timestamp='1319111989' post='829011']
Flacco is a good QB. He has his inconsistencies but so does everyone. The maddening thing about Flacco is that [u][b]we know he can be great because we have seen it. When he isn't, it is frustrating and we demand perfection and domination like our defense[/b].[/u]

Flacco can certainly get us to a superbowl and win it.
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that is my position on Flacco! whenever i post about my frustrations in his gameplay it is....NOT...because i think that he isn't the QB for us. NO!! it is the very opposite. he is our QB! and i want him to be great! and yes, i demand perfection. i want our offense to come up to the level of our defense. and yes...i know that Flacco won't be perfect in every game...but...i can still demand it! lol!

[quote name='Runnin Raven' timestamp='1319116041' post='829029']
[u][b]I approve of this thread! Seriously, thanks for posting the content of the show[/b][/u].
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again, no problem!

Flacco is a good QB and this discussion really opened my eyes up to another way of "thinking" about him and his role with our Baltimore Ravens. i agree with Theisman when he says that [i]"Flacco does what the Ravens ask him to do." [/i]sure, i want to see him throw more TDs. yes i do! and sure, i want to see him put the offense on his back and win tons of tough, hard fought, and come from behind wins like a few of his counterparts do. but, IF he does none of those things and yet, the Ravens can still get to where we are trying to go (Superbowl) and win....then i will be a happy camper. but, knowing me and my competitive nature, i will still post my frustrations about his gameplay at times if need be cause i want him to be great!

LET'S GO JOEEEEEEEE!!!

~Mili

[The Black Bird]

The only reason Joe has been inconsistent is because he has a whole new receiver core... This is only his second year with Q and first year with the rest of our receivers. He needs time to grow with them and he will and when he do he will be on point.

[Jamal]

Looks like Joe Theisman is back on the good side of Raven fans. lol

[ravensfan160]

[quote name='Jamal' timestamp='1319124400' post='829128']
Looks like Joe Theisman is back on the good side of Raven fans. lol
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As opposed to the Dark Side? haha [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/jedi.gif[/img]

(I've been waiting for forever for an excuse to use that emoticon so thank you.)

[Tiz]

Cool to see people stick up for flac but still dont care for anything theismann says

[berad]

Still can't get over his Matt Ryan love on that Thursday night game

[FlaccoLover928]

i always love mooch , i think he is the best analysist out of all them maybe except for deion. He knows the game

[colljb9]

Flacco reminds me a little bit of McCarron down in Alabama. McCarron comes into a perennial college defense with 2 outstanding runningbacks, so he enters into every game saying if i can make some throws and dont turn the ball over my team is going to win ball games. Now that was Flacco in his first couple years. This year Flacco is keeping all of those things in the back of his mind while saying...you know, i'm pretty darn good myself and i believe i can make every throw i need to. Im still going to be cautious because our defense will force turnovers and i will not, but im going to take a large role in this offense and prove to everyone how good I am.

[darklight1216]

On a related note: I turned on No Huddle to try to see if it would show the part about Flacco. I am now convinced that No Huddle is just The View for men.

[RayRiceRunningfortheRavns]

"The View" for men? what gave it away? was it the 10 minute conversation about a handshake? Or the constant arguing over each other without much conversation actually happening?

[CorvusCorax]

I watched that segment and I agree with what they had to say. Joe is doing exactly what we expect from him to do. NO he's not Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning or Tom Brady. The team doesn't look to him to hold to team on his shoulders. And to be honest he's had a revolving door of receivers to learn and develop from, not the easiest thing to accomplish. There's still a lot of season left here so let's see what happens.

[ball hawkin 20]

Finally a good debate about Flacco, and i love how Sapp completely did a 180 on Joe.

[SnOoPy]

i wanna watch!

[hawkprey]

[quote name='SnOoPy' timestamp='1319163428' post='829532']
i wanna watch!
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Here's the link:

[url="http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-no-huddle/09000d5d8234957d/Are-Packers-primed-for-repeat"]http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-no-huddle/09000d5d8234957d/Are-Packers-primed-for-repeat[/url]

[Guest Moderator 6]

Does a coffee table in a dark room surrounded by men in suits make those men more credible?

[-Nevermore-]

[quote name='berad' timestamp='1319130989' post='829193']
Still can't get over his Matt Ryan love on that Thursday night game
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Talk about regression. Matt Ryan looks terrible this season. That laughable Julio Jones trade really screwed that team, and losing Harvey Dahl was another huge loss. They've completly forgot about Turner, and anything over 10 yards and Ryan can't throw it consistently. I was really scratching my head the year we took Flacco. A first round QB out of Delware of all places?

Glad I was proven wrong! [img]http://content.boards.baltimoreravens.com//public/style_emoticons/default/minioiseau1.gif[/img]